A message for Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Gravel, and Richardson voters regarding FISA

Next time, vote for Kucinich.

And when a more liberal man or woman challenges your DINO Blue Dog incumbent, for for him or her as well.

Putting election fraud aside, it really is that simple.

Stop letting the mainstream media influence your vote.

immensely. consider that kucinich was kept out of a nationally televised debate while he was still a candidate. one of my co-workers did not even know who he was when i told her he was my choice for president. as i mentioned previously, he wasn't even a name on my ballot by the time i voted. so msm definitely influenced my vote, by constricting my choices.

and I agree that the vast majority of Americans never got a chance to hear him. And it wasn't only that ABC debate - they wouldn't cover Biden, Dodd, Richardson, Kuchinich or Gravel in between debates, either.

For me, I saw every debate - and he participated in them all up until the one you mention - and I made up my own mind from watching the debates and then researching the candidates. The media didn't influence me personally, otherwise I would have been for Hillary or Obama from the beginning.

Virtually without exception. :shrug:

I'm just saying the MSM didn't influence MY vote.

That Kucinich is unelectable in a national election may well be partly because of the mainstream media, but the perception that he is accurate.

So they may have changed the fact, but not the perception - the opposite of what the media usually does.

It may be that one or both of us seriously underestimates the power of media, propaganda, public relations, and advertising. For my part, I'll just read some more Noam Chomsky.

:shrug:

by the time it got to me my choices were obama, clinton, and gravel.

i don't feel as if i have the luxury to do that - although you're right, i could have. but by the time we voted (NC) i really wanted obama over clinton so saw them as my only realistic choices and of course voted for obama. just as i will do in the GE. he's like, after all is said and done, my 5th or 6th choice for president. but i will vote for him, definitely.

:hug:

Our voting mathematics is absurd. We're at about a -1000. Our choices are always:

A) Republican: -100
B) "Electable" Dem: -10 (who pretends to be a zero)
C) Unelectable Dem: +750

Vote for ZERO! We can't afford to go backwards even further!

:thumbsup:

We've spent days *paying respect* to the guy who very effectively killed Dennis's credibility on national TV.

i didn't. i don't even have cable tv. actually, i would dispute that "we" spent those days doing that - "they" did that, meaning MSM. again, the fucking msm.

Obama: I'll Fight To Strip Telecom Immunity From FISA

Obama: I'll Fight To Strip Telecom Immunity From FISA
Posted by David S Morgan| Comments65


(CBS/AP) - Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., issued a statement in support of the House's update of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, but said he would try to strip a provision granting immunity to telecommunication companies when the bill comes to a vote in the Senate next week.

The House approved a compromise bill Friday that would set new electronic surveillance rules that would also shield telecoms from lawsuits arising from their participation in the government's warrantless eavesdropping on telephone and computer lines in the United States.

The government eavesdropped on American phone and computer lines for almost six years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks without permission from the FISA Court, the special panel established for that purpose under the original 1978 law.

Some 40 lawsuits have been filed against the telecommunications companies by groups and individuals who say the Bush administration illegally monitored their phone calls or e-mails.

Obama said there is "little doubt" that the Bush Administration, with the cooperation of major telecommunications companies, "has abused authority and undermined the Constitution by intercepting the communications of innocent Americans without their knowledge or the required court orders."

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/06/21/politics/horserace/entry4200105.shtml

The words he/M$M uses are so ambiguous! :grr:

It's like this is some deep dark secret.

WHY?? :wtf: