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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 12:46 PM
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Poll question: Is the Bushie Summer Propaganda Offensive against Iran a Psyop?
Edited on Sun Jun-22-08 01:02 PM by tom_paine
OK, we've all seen it. Even moreso than the Fall Propaganda Offensive in 2002 as a prelude to the Iraq invasion, the Bushies are advertising their moves like a blinking neon sign.

Now we all know the Bushies are capable of anything...ANYTHING up to and including stacking our corpses by the millions for their own personal gain, but there are a couple things that trouble me.

One, as that vile human garbage sack Andy Card once said about the Iraq Propaganda You don't roll out a new product in August.

While a June product rollout is still techincally not what Card warned against, we must remember that the Bushies are Sales and Marketing Jerks first. They could sell sand to desert-dwellers, they could sell Inverted Totalitarianism to what was once the freest people on Earth.

Thus, this New Product Rollout seems to me to be premature in terms of keeping the pot boiling all the way until November, if it is to be part of the gestalt-based Bushie propaganda and the coming October Surprise(s).

This of course, is pending future events, which we will soon see as they unfold. That may change this transient situation, but I am speaking of how things look right at this minute.

We can't be sure of what value a Psyop like this is to the Bushie Tyrants, especially if is aimed primarily at an International Audience, with only the fear-generating secondary effects aimed at us. It could also be that the Bushies are just shifting things around a bit, to give them the Plausible Deniability all evil tyrants love and crave for their nefarious schemes.

If they did another September rollout, we could point to that and it would be so obvious, even a few of the sheep might poke their heads up and smell something fishy.

But a June Rollout this time? No sheep is going to buy the "it's all happening the same as before" idea again, even if EVERY SINGLE OTHER THING IS THE SAME, the lies, the propaganda, all of it.

I wish I didn't have to say that, because it's embrassing, but I am 99% certain it's true. We all know it from the last seven years. Change one little detail of a scam, even if EVERYTHING else is the same, and the sheep won't buy malfeasance from their beloved "sheepdog" authorities. Plausible Deniability works, you see.

We all know it.

Anyway, so that's some of the 'yes' side (it's a PsyOp and NOT a real preparation for war) and some of the 'no' side (it IS a preparation for war). As I lay them out, I don't even know how I am going to vote in my own poll yet.

DU: What do you think about it? And why do you think as you do?
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 12:55 PM
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1. Not a drill, IMO.
Or a dodge or a scam. It is the attempt to prepare us for the big Armageddon. The clash of cultures that they hope will re-invigorate their decadent system.

They think it is sick because the hoi polloi are not hungry, angry, and fearful enough.

They believe that it is ok to lie cheat, and even kill us if need be to reach some noble, yet arbitrary goal. They believe that it will make them secure and strong.

Surely it will, this time.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 12:59 PM
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2. War is coming, and they need to prepare the masses
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:07 PM
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4. Sorry. I don't think I made the question clear enough.
You may have voted "yes" when really your answer was "no", as I worded the poll.

My fault. I wish you could take your vote back and change it. I often find when I first post a poll that the question needs tweaking in the area of clarity, and sometimes the first handful of voters get screwed because of that.

I fixed it now, with bolded underlined explanation of a yes and no vote near the bottom of the post.

Once again: my apologies.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:09 PM
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5. No problem and good morning
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:06 PM
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3. I believe it is Psyops, war has been bad for Bush's poll ratings after
the initial euphoria wore off and the nation is too aware of his corrupt incompetence for it to work again. The military is too wore out and our national standing is at an all time low with the more rational parts of Earth.

The greatest benefit to Bush's standing has been fear, whereas FDR said "We have nothing to fear but fear itself", Bush loves national fear, he relies on fear and that's why he stokes it. Fear sent his poll ratings to an all time high after 9/11, fear keeps the oil prices up for his friends and fear prevents a timid Congress from impeaching him.

Some in the corporate media know it as well, they're manipulating national fear in the upcoming election to aid McCain such as in the thread below. People might be more hesitant to vote for Obama if that means Bush will start a war with Iran over it.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3500262

"Kristol: Bush Might Bomb Iran If He ‘Thinks Senator Obama’s Going To Win’»"


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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:12 PM
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7. Yep, THAT part of it is almost certainly a psyop, whether or not we attack.
Edited on Sun Jun-22-08 01:12 PM by tom_paine
And you know, it is a statistical certainty, that out there there is someone, or a whole lot of someones for whom this piece of scary propaganda, probably on an unconscious level (where the best advertising and propagand does it's work), is pushing undecided to McCain.

Their subconscious is saying (with all the other "droplets" of Bushiganda working, too) Geez, if we want to stay away from :nuke:ing Iran, I'd better vote for McCain.

The sad truth is that advertising works, propaganda works, and no one does it better han the Bushies.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:11 PM
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6. Sorry pal. I misunderstood your poll too. YES preparing for war BUT
based on false premises, just like last time.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:16 PM
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9. Well "based on false premise" is as much of a given with Bush as it was for Hitler.
In that area, ignroing all the rest, the two men are IDENTICAL.

All lies all the time, nothing done without a sinister, ulterior motive. God help us, only 10 years ago I thought it IMPOSSIBLE that such a thing could happen here, that such transparently evil people could EVER gain power, let alone unchecked power, in the freest, greatest coutnry on Earth.

Well, we ain't the freeset and greatest anymore, not with these dimestore Hitler wannabees runningthe show.

And NOT with "opposition" leadership like Nancy Capitulosi and Harry "Bushies, tell me what you need" Reid.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:16 PM
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8. Yeah I screwed up you poll too .........
But a PsyOp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSYOP is used when the powers that be are trying to shape public opinion towards their liking or in 'preparation' for something they (the powers that be) are about to pull off (war). Least that's my understanding of it. Peace. :)

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:18 PM
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10. Yeah, I could have worded this better.
(slinks to hide under a rock in shame) :evilfrown:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 01:23 PM
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11. I believe a PsyOp can be used against the people for election purposes as well,
normally I would call it propaganda but using the threat of war to shape an election could also be called a PsyOp.


"The word is commonly used by governments, such as the government of the United States, who do not wish to use the term propaganda to refer to their own work. The word propaganda has very negative connotations, and by calling it psychological operations instead, more sophisticated methods of psychological manipulation are accurately incorporated by the terminology. This euphemism for mind control is ironically an example of psychological operations -- i.e. using psychological techniques to persuade a large number of people to support something that they wouldn't normally support.<1>"

Some people might be inclined to vote for McCain if they thought it would prevent an attack on Iran by Bush as corporate media propagandist Kristol alluded to.

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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 03:00 PM
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13. And how would a fake war campaign against a country that hasn't harmed us help McCain?
"Some people might be inclined to vote for McCain if they thought it would prevent an attack on Iran by Bush as corporate media propagandist Kristol alluded to."

Why would people vote for McCain thinking that would stop Bush from attacking Iran? Especially since one of the best known clips of McCain is him singing "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran"? I mean, if McCain gets in we'll most likely go to war with Iran eventually. It seems to me that if you want McCain to win, you'd fake a threat and bomb Iran before the election, making him appear to be the safer fatherly figure "in a time of crisis."

I just don't see how mere saber-rattling helps Republicans.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 03:59 PM
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15. Propaganda doesn't HAVE to make sense. It goes straight to the subconscious.
All of what you say is true, on a sensible level. But it should be clear by now that Bushie Lies and Propaganda don't make sense, they don't have to. Not with the Bush Lie Machine and the Toady Media to make all sound mildly reasonable, mildly plausible.

My point here is that you say you don't see how it can help, from a reasonable point of view. Propaganda is deigned to bypass reason, to short-circuit it.

FEAR. FEAR. FEAR. That's one object and it goes straight past the waking mind to the reptile brain.

The rest of it...well, Jim, I'm a biologist, not an advertsing writer, to paraphrase ol' Bones McCoy.

But it works. And I don't have to understand every tiny individual nuance to understand the overall priciples.

I don't know what else to say except to say that your are right from a sensible, reasonable perspective, but wrong from a Bushigandists' perspective and that is the only one that counts, given we are deconstructing (or trying to) the latest parts of the Summer Bushiganda Offensive.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:24 AM
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16. Sure. But pure fear could push us away from Republicans as well. Propaganda isn't
rational (agreed) but it is usually is crafted for a very specific effect. For example: the Pentagon coming forth and "admitting" that they're going to unleash a psys op campaign on the public. I'm not sure broadly induced fear of impending war wouldn't prop people to just vote for the guy least likely to go to war.

I also don't think Israel cares about keeping Republicans in office. Dems also give major support to Israel. I'm going with a few possibilities:

(1) Run up to real conflagration
(2) A bunch of people betting on the rise and fall of oil prices

That's just me though. Hope you're right.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 05:49 PM
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17. Apparently corporate media puppet, Kristol
thinks he knows. I'm sure the public is aware of McCain's war like tendencies, but I believe they think he's more in the gray area than Bush and it's what the public fears about Bush's insanity that Kristol and possibly other corporate media toadies are and will play on.

In some respects this is analogous to what some people have said about the Democratic controlled Congress's reluctance to impeach Bush. The hypothesis being they're afraid to push him too far, lest he start another war or create some other national catastrophe in an insane attempt to rally the public around the executive.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"On Fox News Sunday this morning, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said that President Bush is more likely to attack Iran if he believes Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) is going to be elected."


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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 02:26 PM
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12. Both provocation and a desperate attempt to change domestic US and Israeli politics
Without some HUGE change, the right-wing parties are on the way out.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 03:10 PM
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14. If "yes and no" had been a option that's how...
...I would have voted, because I think they are preparing to attack Iran, but I also think all the saber rattling has a PsyOps component to it.

I believe they'd very much like to frighten/provoke Iran into striking out in some way providing them the pretext/justification they're looking for to launch their assault. If the PsyOps do not achieve this they'll stage some kind of false flag operation themselves, but they'd really rather not have to.

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 05:50 PM
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18. Time for Timer!
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