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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 05:30 PM
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Obama's strange appeal to high priests of US conservatism / "Bush coalition is dissolving" Zogby
Edited on Sun Jun-22-08 05:33 PM by Liberal_in_LA
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Obama's strange appeal to high priests of US conservatism
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WASHINGTON (AFP) — They're called the Obamacons -- the conservative thinkers who are disgusted with the Republicans and are rallying to Democrat Barack Obama as the nation's economic and diplomatic savior.

They are joining younger evangelical leaders who see more to their religious mission than slavish devotion to Republican social mores, and fiscal conservatives who reject the war-fueled spending of President George W. Bush.

"The Bush coalition is dissolving," pollster John Zogby told AFP.

"We have polling showing one-fifth of conservatives supporting Obama," he said
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 05:33 PM
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1. 1/5th! WOW! If that holds through Nov. the Pubbies are DONE! n/t
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 05:41 PM
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4. Even the repubs are tired of Repub rule.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 05:37 PM
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2. Libertarians and Conservatives
who have been conned into supporting the corruption by natural extension of their blind self-satisfaction with Mammon oriented principles should be joint cause warning to all fundamentally decent human beings. Or at least to the huge mass below the top of the pyramid that are completely betrayed, dominated and threatened.

The unique polarization and revelation and testing of Bush is almost complete. Revulsion however is not revolution and revolution is not the installation of paradise. We should give thoughts on how we are to make a new beginning here and not settle into smaller factions, retrenchments, delusions after Bush has shown their true nature carried to all the worst extremes- including the impotence or accommodation of all those who opposed the varied evils.

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 05:38 PM
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3. They see Obama as more Harry Truman than George McGovern
And, they may be right.
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 05:52 PM
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5. People see Obama as whatever they want to believe.
Wouldn't it be more prudent that we look at his actions--say for instance legislation supported or coauthored--instead of listening only to stump speeches? I do support Obama but I'm starting to believe that our irrational side has overtaken our combined psyche and is now creating some mythological creature that no man can mirror. As for the "evangelicals" and "religious right", these people are like Elmer Gentry--they need another good scam to run. In other words--they have no loyalties and cannot be trusted.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:04 PM
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6. How about the *irrationals* on the blue side?
Those who refuse to see actions like the FISA press release (that is the heighth of playing both sides against each other) as something that should alarm them? I want a Dem president, but I think all the *see no evil,hear no evil, speak no evil* Obama obsessionists are going to get a REAL wakeup call if he's elected. He might even make Pelosi and Reid look like actual progressive Dems.

We need to stop this hero-ification process and start asking HARD questions of our own candidate.
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:30 PM
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9. Can we ask the hard questions AFTER November?
We do want a Democrat to be elected, and he's the one we're running. Your other choice is McCain. Only those two--which one do you want to see win?
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:34 PM
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10. I can agree with this.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:39 PM
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12. No, they'll be apologizing for his continued capitulation 4 years in.
2 years from now, you'll hear about all the reasons why we should stay in Iraq, go to Pakistan, why 'they hate to admit it' but Bush may have been right about some things but he should've just been blunt with the American people instead of lying; you'll hear that the problem is really all the so-called radical freaks--anarchists, socialists, communists, libertarians in the party--and how they're really not 'progressives' like the modern Democrat who understands that we might need to invade countries every now and then as well as side with corporations as 'necessary evils' yada yada. They'll celebrate how Obama closed gitmo, but they won't address how twice as many black ops planes have been carrying people to black sites. Obama will of course "be totally unaware" of such sites and "appalled" whenever they're discovered.

This is what I expect. My first hope is that Obama will defy this description. My second is that, if he doesn't, people will see him for who he is.

I'd love to be wrong. I hope Obama is as fantastic as his most ardent supporters believe him to be.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:23 PM
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7. Political parties are coalitions of groups of varying interests
Environmentalists, Women's groups, GLBT, labor, et al make up the Democrats. Fundies, militarists, other social conservatives, bigots, idiots, fools, wingnuts, et al make up the GOP. If some of the groups start flaking, the party has problems.
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:27 PM
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8. I don't care who supports him as long as he wins. nt
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:39 PM
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11. Maybe it's my boundless cynicism...
But I have a suspician that some of them are hoping their support will make President Obama go easier on them after he takes office. The "scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" ethic is so imgrained in conservative ideaology that I doubt anything they do is free of it.
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