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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:01 PM
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Bush wants to train spy satellites on U.S.
TERROR WATCH
Michael Isikoff and
Mark Hosenball
You're On Candid Camera

The Bush administration now wants to watch you from the sky.
Jun 25, 2008 | Updated: 5:20 p.m. ET Jun 25, 2008



http://www.newsweek.com/id/143257

A Bush administration program to expand domestic use of Pentagon spy satellites has aroused new concerns in Congress about possible civil-liberties abuses.

On Tuesday, the House Appropriations Committee approved an amendment denying money for the new domestic intelligence operation—cryptically named the "National Applications Office"—until the Homeland Security secretary certifies that any programs undertaken by the center will "comply with all existing laws, including all applicable privacy and civil liberties standards."

Rep. Jane Harman, a California Democrat who chairs the House Homeland Security Subcommittee on intelligence, told Newsweek that majorities in both the House and Senate intend to block all funding for the domestic intelligence center at least until August, when the Government Accountability Office, an investigative agency that works for Congress, completes a report examining civil-liberties and privacy issues related to the domestic use of picture-taking spy satellites.

Harman, who was the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee when Republicans controlled Congress earlier in Bush's tenure, said she still felt burned by the president's secret expansion of domestic electronic spying after 9/11. At the time, she and other intel committee leaders were assured that the increased intelligence activity was legal, only to learn later that the basis for the new surveillance was a set of opinions by administration lawyers that are now widely considered to be legally questionable.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:04 PM
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1. It's Bush. He must want them to sit up, rollover, fetch, ect.
Cheney is the one who wants to sick them on us
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:06 PM
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2. Yeah because they're not doing that already.
:eyes:

Oh there would be such an outcry if they tried such a th... wait. Right. Nevermind.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:45 PM
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20. Ya, this is old news
The NSA admitted they were doing this over a year ago. I've read stories from people in the system in the 1980s who said they were doing it back then!

Privacy is the biggest illusion in America. They know who you are, who you vote for, what your sexual preference is and your favorite cereal.

We however, know zip about them.
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:46 PM
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21. Bingo. n/t
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:06 PM
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3. I just don't get why the Dems approve anything for
an idiot prez with a 23% approval rating and less then 7 months in office. If he ask for anything, tell him to piss off! SOP, no questions asked.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:09 PM
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6. 6 months and a week.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:15 PM
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11. But your not counting are you.
:D
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:07 PM
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4. Nothing New
Google maps is pretty much the same thing.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:09 PM
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7. Not real time.....
....
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:40 PM
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18. Can do that now with drones (predator) which
are a heck of a lot cheaper than Satellite imagery.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 03:11 AM
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29. Sigh.....
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 03:12 AM by Aviation Pro
...bandwidth and spectrum, bandwidth and spectrum. (Not to mention airspace).
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:08 PM
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5. They can just look on Google Earth
Along with everybody else!
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:10 PM
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8. Sigh, not real time....
....
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:19 PM
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12. A church built on the property next to where I live 2 years ago.....
The building has never been shown on Google Earth. They are so far behind the times but it works when the county or city 'eyes in the sky' are looking for any excuse to up your property taxes.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:14 PM
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9. Excuse me - gotta go outside and flip the bird up at the sky
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tyedyeto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:15 PM
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10. Block until August? What happens then?
Democrats roll over and play dead? Sorry but ANY spying upon Americans living in America should be forbidden. And by extension, the entire Dept of Homeland Security (Bullshit dept) should be disbanded. (How I absolutely hate that term 'Homeland'.)
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 12:23 AM
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23. They couldn't call it the fatherland
That was already taken.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:26 PM
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13. We, the People are the enemy. WE are the enemies in the "War on Terror".
The Rulers know well that we outnumber them, therefore we must be watched and controlled at all times.

There is no War but the Class War.

sw
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:40 AM
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32. exactly, we the people pose a threat to them.
they are nothing but cowards.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:29 PM
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14. Harman felt "burned" by Bush's expansion of spying?
Then she voted to expand his powers even more, and also forgive him?

Why did 58 Democrats flip on FISA from no to YES since last year?

"58 who flipped from no to aye (i.e. good to bad): Gary Ackerman, Mike Arcuri, Joe Baca, Brian Baird, Shelly Berkley, Howard Berman, Marion Berry, Sanford Bishop, Tim Bishop, Rick Boucher, Nancy Boyda, Corrine Brown, GK Butterfield, Dennis Cardoza, Kathy Castor, Emanuel Cleaver, Jim Clyburn, Joe Crowley, Norm Dicks, Rahm Emanuel, Eliot Engel, Gabby Giffords, Kirsten Gillibrand, Al Green, Gene Green, Luis Gutierrez, Jane Harman, Tim Holden, Paul Kanjorski, Dale Kildee, Ron Kind, Jim Langevin, Nita Lowey, Tim Mahoney, Carolyn McCarthy, Jerry McNerney, Greg Meeks, Dennis Moore, John Murtha, Solomon Ortiz, Nancy Pelosi, Ed Perlmutter, Nick Rahall, Silvestre Reyes, Dutch Ruppersberger, Adam Schiff, David Scott, Joe Sestak, Brad Sherman, Albio Sires, Adam Smith, John Spratt, Bart Stupak, Ellen Tauscher, Bennie Thompson, Mark Udall, John Yarmuth

9 Dems went from no vote to no; this includes some of our newest: Bill Foster, and Donna Edwards, on her second day on the job. 3 Dems and 1 Republican went from no to no vote; the Republican was Walter Jones. 12 Republicans and 6 Dems went from no vote to yes: the Dems were Don Cazayoux, Travis Childers, Ruben Hinojosa, Ron Klein, Laura Richardson, and Ike Skelton. 8 Republicans went from yes to no vote."
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:31 PM
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15. When BLM and Fish & Wildlife personnel tell ranchers in eastern Montana...
Edited on Wed Jun-25-08 10:32 PM by havocmom
that they saw them doing such & such, I would guess the spy satellites are ALREADY turned on America.

Have been several incidents of ranchers around here discussing various events with various agency people being told: yeah, we know; we saw it on the satellite pictures. Pretty remote around here and this shit has people doin :wtf: left, right and sideways.

Lots of people sayin they are voting Obama in November too.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:34 PM
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16. Well, why not? He's gotten away with wiretapping and data mining.
That's the next logical extension.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:36 PM
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17. Hitler grew extremely paranoid in his final days.



What a coincidence. :eyes:




... or is it? :shrug:




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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 10:41 PM
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19. Bush, Cheney, and their thugs are the ones who need to be watched.
:mad:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 12:21 AM
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22. The ;Monkey in a suit is supposed to be leaving in about 6 months,
isn't he? This behavior doesn't sound like it comes from someone who thinks he's leaving ever.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 12:59 AM
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24. hey they can wiretap and now take your picture in the backyard
Orwell was a prophet
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 01:10 AM
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25. Nazis were and are meticulous record keepers and paranoids.,.
a lethal combination.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 01:14 AM
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26. Why am I getting a deja vu of the Terminator?
Or more appropriately, Skynet, and the Sarah Connor Chronicles??
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 01:15 AM
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27. He should just get Pelosi to do secret negociations with the spy agencies, Republicans
and Blue Dog Democrats and put up their "compromise" for a vote the next day.

Congress is concerned about possible civil-liberties abuses? Give me a break, maybe people like Feingold and Kucinich but most of the rest of them already told us how they feel it's ok.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 01:16 AM
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28. Aroused? Over civil liberties? Nonsense. More talk and no action.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I dream away, while Rome burns.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:15 AM
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30. Bush is searching for intelligent life!
He can't understand why he's been allowed to be President for 8 years!
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:18 AM
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31. EVERYTHING by this administration is "legally questionable"
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:42 AM
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33. get these fuckers out of office NOW
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:43 AM
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34. The phony "war on terror" is a REAL "war" on YOU!
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:26 PM
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35. More fear mongering
only this time it will be the fear of being watched. Propaganda is beginning to lose potency, this is the next level.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:30 PM
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36. Enjoy these final, halcyon days of freedom.



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