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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:22 AM
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Parking space size 84 sq. foot home. $6/month to heat-electricity is 'free'


Olympia, Washington: Dee Williams wanted a simpler, greener life -- so she built her dream house, an 84-square-foot cottage on wheels, which is currently parked in a friend's backyard. Not only did she save money using salvaged materials (the front door came from a dumpster, for instance), but the entire house is small enough to fit into a standard parking spot. Says Williams, 'Right now, there's nowhere else I want to be.'
(Betty Udesen/AMERICA AT HOME/www.myamericaathome.com)


Grand Marais, Minnesota: Julie Keane lives in a tiny shack on the property of her ex-husband near the Canadian border. It’s her workshop (for basket weaving) and residence while she constructs an octagon-shaped log cabin nearby. With her ex’s help, Keane hopes to finish in time for her and their two daughters, Meadow and Cedar Adams, 13 and 11, to move in for Christmas.
(Judy Griesedieck/AMERICA AT HOME/www.myamericaathome.com)


Williams’ trailer cottage is surprisingly roomy inside, largely thanks to its clever use of height. For example, Williams’ bed is in a loft above her kitchen. Williams is proud to have fulfilled her goal of minimizing her ecological footprint. Her monthly heating bill is $6 and, thanks to solar panels, her electricity is free. Her approach goes against the national trend: Americans consume 40 percent of the world’s oil and 23 percent of its coal.
(Betty Udesen/AMERICA AT HOME/www.myamericaathome.com)
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:25 AM
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1. I would go insane in a house that small
And Haruka and I would end up divorced.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:27 AM
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2. As long as I had cable...
:evilgrin:

I could deal with living in a space like that (is there a shower?) by myself but not with anyone else.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:33 AM
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4. same here.
nt
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:37 AM
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8. SEC football
etc
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:33 AM
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5. I could live in a smallish area like that by myself, too. But you're right - I could never
share that kind of space with anyone. Come to think of it, I'm not sure I could share a McMansion with anyone, either - I'm kinda antisocial. :crazy:

I would have to have cable, internet, a shower, and a flush toilet, though. Those are non-negotiable!
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:38 AM
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9. If you were to double the footprint and go up a bit higher for two people...
well, maybe I could manage with a spouse. Just not my own!

Seriously, though, what makes a home like this possible is the setting. Both look pretty bucolic. Crammed next to a thousand other units, that's another story.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:26 PM
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53. You're right. It seems the houses work because the
other "rooms" are the great outdoors.

Park that sucker in a city, and... not so much.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:40 AM
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10. But could you handle it with 2 or 3 people?
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:21 AM
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30. Sure!
If I were back in college, living in a dorm.

That's pretty much what this place looked like, size-wise.
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:44 AM
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34. Just have a small house like this for each person.

There is a large family a few towns over that took over a motel setup and each member has their own little bungalow house with a central large one for meals.
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pollard66 Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 12:03 PM
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38. she probably has Dish Network
lol
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:25 PM
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52. Cable would be nice, internet would be necessary, but
a real bathroom would be imperative. That's the thing I would need. I could make do without a lot of space - although living in such a small space WITH other people would be a challenge for me.

But I need my real bathroom!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 09:40 AM
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23. It's better in warmer climes where you can get outside more. In the
Daniel Boone National Forest there are some small homes like that. They were quite cosy.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:51 PM
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58. With a Border Collie, two cats, three huge lizard tanks, and in a month, two rabbits
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 08:52 PM by LostinVA
The climate doesn't matter, although I would gladly get rid of the lizards. Oh, and the one cat has to be locked away, if you're eating meat. Otherwise, he'll attack you and steal it. On the plus side, he's a good hunter.

That's not even mentioning our five large bookcases, plus the stacks of books scattered about the house.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 06:05 AM
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60. We're imprisoned by our possessions. My book collection is out of hand.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:41 AM
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32. I think the only way to get along would be an enforced clothing ban :P
I could definately handle that arangement with the Mrs.

Myes that wouldn't be so bad at all :D
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:32 AM
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3. That isn't enough room to even hold my books.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:37 AM
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6. I think that is what my wife's email will say

I just sent these pics to her.

No way two of us let alone with the little one would this work oh and the books.... THE BOOKS!!!!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:59 AM
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14. I'm glad I'm in the company of people whose books take up more space
on this planet than they do. When my kids moved out, each of their rooms became a book depository. I suppose if things get bad enough, I could always put a "BOOK STORE" sign in my yard and start selling..

.... nah.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 09:32 AM
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22. Because we have to move in w/kids, the books had to go
so about 250 hardbacks, found their way this week to a collection center for a book fair that Planned Parenthood has every fall. It was a sad day losing all those printed friends but here's hoping they'll give someone else the pleasure of an escape and/or the knowledge to make educated choices about their lives and bodies.(NO FLAMES PLEASE).
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:27 PM
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54. That's the reason I couldn't do it
I'm old and I've been accumulating reading matter and music every year of my life. If I started again now, it would be music downloads and a Kindle, because they sure do take up a lot of room in the current format!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:50 PM
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49. Yep. Books are the sticking point for me also n/t
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sourmilk Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:37 AM
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7. Neat house, but a little too tiny for me.
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 07:38 AM by sourmilk
Not that I reside in a McMansion or anything, but even my hunting camp is 20' X 24'...
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:41 AM
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11. No room for a bathtub, no deal and in honor of George Carlin, where would I put all of my "stuff"?
It is also quite expensive considering the size. There have been threads on this home before. I believe it's about $36,000.00
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:46 AM
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12. I've been in jail cells bigger than that.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:51 AM
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13. At retirement, my wife and I will be living in about the same size space
Although it looks like this...

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:05 AM
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15. AWESOME!!!
no mowing the grass for cobalt!!!

Oh man that would be excellent.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:28 AM
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19. Worse...scraping the hull.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:08 AM
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16. Here is a site that sells them
http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/houses/loring/

I could live in one of those after the kids are out on their own. Only downside is the kids would have to camp out if they came to visit.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:22 AM
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25. holy shit the mobile ones are big $$$ for little space
65 sq ft for $37000...$570/sq ft...ought to be a freaking marble lined palace for that per sq ft cost...

sP
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:44 AM
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33. Seriously why not build your own at that point?
It's just a garden shed with a loft ffs!
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SmileyRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:01 PM
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50. The cost is on par with good travel trailers.
they have to be built to a much different standard than say the shed in the backyard because they have to withstand the rigors of the road for the lifetime of the home.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:18 AM
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29. i think maybe i could live in the 221sf one, possibly. I can't wait to downsize once
my daughter is off to college and when she does leave we'll be living in a much smaller place.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:37 PM
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41. What are you going to do when she comes back after college with her new husband and kids to visit?
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 05:45 PM by NNN0LHI
For weeks at a time? I have been down this road already.

Getting ready to have an addition put on here since after "my kids have moved out", because I need the room. They are multiplying like rabbits. Kids do that.

Don
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:48 PM
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43. Aaaaaccckkkkkk!
I'll burn that bridge when i get to it and that day better be a long way away.

:D
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:59 PM
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45. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but that day will come much faster than you think
Its like you wake up one morning and blammo! There are a few of YOUR grandchildren running in all directions and getting into all your stuff that you don't let no one get into.

Get prepared its a coming. Like a freight train.

Don
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:11 AM
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17. Better Than Living In The Back Of Your Car
Not long ago, my wife got a call from an old high school friend...an old acquaintaince who was a graphics designer and song writer. In '05 we visited him in his modest apartment in Orange County...not much of a place and we were floored at the time when he told me he was paying nearly 1,000 a month for this poor excuse for a one-bedroom...but it was the best he could find and he was able to find jobs to cover his nut.

This last call, my wife was concerned, she had sent a holiday card and it came back "addressee unknown"...we found out he hadn't worked for over two years and was forced to moved from his apartment last year. At first he stayed with some friends but that didn't work and he said that for the past six months he'd been living out of his van...driving all over the coast and crashing in parking lots. He's too young and healthy for benefits and has to resort to food stamps to eat...and is totally dispirited.

It's amazing how in this day when millions have seen their incomes and savings crumble away, thousands of home defaults and foreclosures and we rarely heard about homelessness in this country. But it's very much there...and getting worse.

Laugh as you might as these people...we may be looking at similar places to live in the future if this regime continues to sell us out to the highest bidders.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:23 AM
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18. I could see entire subdivisions of these
built around the community garden, and possibly with a windmill or two. Probably never happen though, as cities strongly favor large houses for the tax revenue.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:07 AM
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24. 1000s of them already
They call them KOA Campgrounds.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:38 AM
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31. add a large communal kitchen and bathroom/shower facility and it would make it even better.
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 11:39 AM by QuestionAll
i definitely think that sustainable communal living is going to be the future.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:31 PM
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56. Yeah, no
that's a deal-breaker for me. I want my own bathroom. Preferably at a ratio of one toilet for each person!

Sharing that space was ok in college; I'm all grown up now and not too eager to repeat that!
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:52 AM
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20. Books! Yarn! Embroidery!
I can't understand how anyone can live without books, although I understand the other two are more of an acquired taste.

I could take up going to the library for all my reading, but I have a stash of yarn and embroidery that would nearly fill that space.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 09:05 AM
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21. Great idea!!!
But I couldn't live like that, my closet is bigger than her house. LOL!!!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:25 AM
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26. That's a real nice dog coop. n/t
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:27 AM
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27. Nope I don't think so I am claustrophobic
I got a bathroom that is bigger than that.

Don
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:16 AM
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28. No room for books. No thanks.
That's a box without amenities. Pass.
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 12:05 PM
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39. That's my problem as well.
The shack in the OP wouldn't even come close to housing my book stash.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:06 PM
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47. borrow from the library?

Then you can give them back!
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 09:17 PM
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59. More trouble than it's worth.
I usually rack up heavy overdue fines when I check something out. Having to risk that with all my books? Pass. Plus, it doesn't allow for picking up something that a library might not have. Try getting Warren Ellis' Crooked Little Vein anywhere outside the New York Metropolitan Library.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:46 AM
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35. Failing to see how these are sustainable dwellings
These are vanity dwellings - the first woman lives in a friend's backyard, the other on her ex's land. No mention of sewage capabilities; merely putting in a toilet would nearly defeat the purpose of an ultra-mobile dwelling.

When I was a kid, we called these clubhouses. When they were in trees, they were called treehouses.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:47 AM
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36. You know, I think we might all be ok with that if we weren't working so hard
To maintain our crap.

Where does most of your money go? If you're anything like me it goes to maintain your crap that you have to have to maintain your crap job.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:56 AM
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37. I'd need a 2nd one just for my Stereo, CDs & Vinyl .
as an architect, i see these "homes" as counterproductive - they make people think that sustainability involves living like a monk.
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Sheets of Easter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 12:05 PM
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40. I'm all about self-sustenance, but those houses are way too small.
I don't ask for much, but I would need a little more space than that. If the owners are happy, though, then so be it.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:42 PM
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42. I bet Ted Kaczynski would buy one in a jiffy
If he wasn't in the slammer.

Don
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 05:53 PM
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44. A couple of decades ago, some sympathetic people tried to build something
similar for the homeless that they could park in various places that were sheltered but unused. The government said no because of building laws and made them take them away leaving the homeless to the elements. There will be a lot of codes and other laws that need changing in many cities before you will be able to utilize this kind of housing. Also, you don't mention how she disposes of her grey and black water a sanitation concern.
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carlyhippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:02 PM
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46. ah yeah, the gal in northern minnesota, lets see her about...January
when it's -40 degrees with 4 ft snow on the ground, hope it's insulated well. I live in northern MN
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:37 PM
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57. The ex ain't no dummy
:bounce:

knock knock knock

:P
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lynettebro440 Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:48 PM
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48. Oh that's my dream home
just so long as I have my music, smoke and internet I would be in heaven. :)
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:19 PM
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51. This is part of the small house movement.
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 07:26 PM by intheflow
I first heard about it doing Katrina recovery. Thought the house on wheels was a great idea--your house can't get washed away if you evacuate with it. Or, people could live in these instead of FEMA trailers.

There are a lot of companies doing this kind of building now. One of my favorite companies is Ross Chapin Architects. His homes aren't as tiny as these, or on wheels, but they still have a pretty small footprint. This one is my dream home: Coho Cottage. Another company is Tumbleweed Tiny House Company--their houses are as small as the ones in the OP. If I was to build one of their homes, I'd choose their Ernesti design.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:28 PM
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55. If choosing between sleeping on the street and one of those, I'd pick one of those any day. nt
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 06:30 AM
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61. not stable enuf for sex....
so that's right out for me!
LOL I want to shag, and if that's not feasible, than no thanks! :)

in all seriousness, it beats being without shelter, but i imagine with more than one person it gets rather rank pretty fast!
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