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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:34 AM
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War Inc Blows
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 10:47 AM by davidswanson
SPOILER

I went to the trouble to get a copy of John Cusack's film "War, Inc." and I would have had more fun watching Congress declare national swamp moss appreciation week on C-Span.

I'm thrilled that the film's release has put Cusack on TV talking against illegal wars and mercenary armies. He speaks very well off script. I'm thrilled that hunger for anti-war films gave "War, Inc" an early burst of interest and public pressure for a wider release. I'm entirely convinced that we will not end the current wars without permeating every medium in our culture with the demand for peace. But I'm not at all surprised that interest in "War, Inc." is fizzling out faster than Iraqis' gratitude for their "liberation."

This film should never have been marketed to peace activists. It should be marketed to fans of Arnold Schwarzenegger. It is not a movie about politics or peace or the reality of war. It is primarily about how cool and fun and laughable it is to kill lots of cartoonish villains using a variety of improvised weapons, never receiving a scratch in return, getting the girl, and exploring the skin-deep depth of humanity in an assassin with almost superhuman powers.

Cusack plays a trained killer who seduces a Nation Magazine reporter while being unsuccessfully seduced by a young pop singer who later turns out to be his long-lost daughter. (She had been kidnapped when his wife was murdered, and that's where the humanity comes in - he kind of wishes his wife hadn't been murdered.)

The progressive reporter turns out to be a hollower shell of a character than the killer mercenary, and she ends up grabbing a gun and joining him in battle with evildoers. In fact, they very quickly and without any sort of credibility become a family with a grown daughter, and within 2 minutes of discovering that she is Cusack's daughter, the young woman too has picked up a gun and joined her long-lost dad and brand new step-Mom in blasting the world with good old American bullets.

The killing in this movie is very cool and bloodless and often aimed for laughs. The victims are unknown or comically foreign with bad taste in American pop cultural imitation. The heroes are rushed through such over-the-top goofy nonsense that's there's no chance of anyone actually caring about them. Cusack's sister has a large role as his ally in his "cover" position as a manager in a Halliburton/Blackwater mercenary/PR company, and she is at least as annoying as you'd imagine if you've seen some of her other films, but without being funny in any way.

This typical Hollywood bullshit action flick is framed within serious criticism of wars for profit, criticism presented as exaggerated futuristic fantasy. For example, reporters are not just embedded with military units. They are injected with drugs, presented with goggles, strapped into moving seats, and shown films of battles in a theater that shakes to make the scenes more realistic. I laughed at some of these bits. But the film would then always push things too far in some ham-handed way. In this case, one of the reporters screams that she's been hit and falls out of the chair she was supposedly strapped into. There's a fine line between stupidity and humor, and maybe my problem is that I can't laugh about this topic. But, for whatever reason, I found this so-called cult classic that talented authors like Jeremy Scahill have promoted so hard to be truly dumb and pointless.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:37 AM
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1. I stand corrected.
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 11:22 AM by gatorboy
Apologies. :)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:40 AM
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2. Wow. Do you recognize satire? I haven't seen it,
but have read a few good reviews, such as Arianna's. She claims soldiers and their families will 'get it'. Maybe not? Now I'm really curious.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/iwar-inci-cusacks-savage_b_106837.html
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 02:43 PM
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21. I'm curious too . . . hope Cusack didn't miss this opportunity . . .
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:40 AM
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3. did you watch/like Grosse Point Blank? (Could you fill us in on where you found War Inc)
I've been hearing about and the fact that it doesnt come anywhere near me has teased me too much. I would appreciate any link to the movie online
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:45 AM
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5. No
No, I did not download a bootleg copy and am not pleading for sympathy for the time I wasted watching the movie.

No, I was not unaware that it was supposed to be satire. The opening instructions from Vice President Dan Akroyd sitting on the toilet kind of gave that away.

No, I have not seen GPB, and I got a copy of the film from the producers so that I could review it.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:54 AM
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7. I bet as a reviewer, you see a ton of garbage
GPB was pretty good and from the teasers I've seen, it looks to be in the same vein.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:00 AM
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11. i liked Grosse Point Blank and it also has an excellent sound track.
one of my favorite soundtracks ever.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 01:06 PM
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15. Awesome sound tracks. There are actually 2 sound tracks to the movie.
I love me some Specials. Lots of good ska-core and 80s tunes in that sound track, it rarely leaves my car.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 01:42 PM
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16. me too! My favorite Spanish language song is on it as well-here's a link.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:44 AM
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4. David - It is being marketed to anti-war activists primarily to get it out to the larger
public - to the people who watch and love the kind of film that you (and I) hate.

I hope it comes to my town - I'll watch it or rent it.

I wish you had posted a *SPOILER* alert at the top of your post, however.

:(
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:46 AM
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6. bad idea
and nothing there to spoil

peace activists won't like it

shootem up action flick fans might like it, and they might pick up on some of the anti-Cheney stuff in passing -- I hope so
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:57 AM
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8. Thanks for letting me know
Someone gave me a copy they had downloaded but I haven't had time to watch it yet. Sounds like I wouldn't want to see it anyway.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:57 AM
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9. You gave away major plot points -- you can hate the movie and see that your
Edited on Thu Jun-26-08 10:59 AM by IndyOp
post is a spoiler at the same time. Thanks for putting a warning on your post.

You might've hated it, but this peace activist has had a crush on John Cusack for about 20 years and I could watch video of the man gardening and find it entertaining. Also, it has Ben Kingsley in it and it was shot in Bulgaria - so, for me, it has to be worth a peek.

Keeping in mind that Bush's approval is rock bottom and that Ron Paul has gotten more $$ support from military personnel than any other Republican candidate then I think there is a pretty good chance that -> "shootem up action flick fans might like it, and they might pick up on some of the anti-Cheney stuff in passing"

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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:59 AM
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10. my "computer guy" just linked me to it. I'll check it out and let you know what I think
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 11:00 AM
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12. could ya put the word SPOILER in your thread title. Thx. n/t
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 12:35 PM
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13. just finished it online. I will agree that it's different
it should come with the warning that "if you liked Grosse Point Blank, you might like War, Inc."
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 12:54 PM
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14. I LOVED Grosse Pointe Blank!
As a Michigan native and a Cusack fan, with a preference for cinema that challenges and is a bit dark, how could I not?

An action movie that makes one think is a good thing, IMO. It's a way of reaching those masses who need fortified entertainment, not just empty car chases and drivelling, grunt-filled inane dialog.

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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 01:48 PM
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17. forgive me if I still want to see it
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 01:52 PM
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18. Interesting. I'll have to check it out.
I just saw "Charlie Wilson's War" and thought that punchline was delivered well.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 01:55 PM
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19. it is ABOUT the frames...
"framed within serious criticism of wars for profit"

It is a narrative shifter. And it is a funny movie.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 02:41 PM
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20. I certainly want to see it --- no where near me in Central NJ yet ---
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DaveT Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:25 PM
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22. De gustibus non disputandum est
I saw it at an art house in Pasadena, one of about 35 screens in the whole country that showed it that weekend. I loved it -- but as I was watching it, I knew it would not sell many tickets.

They say satire is what closes out of town. I cannot imagine very many people wrapping their mind around the juxtapositions in this film that are intended to be funny.

By swallowing the sickness of the Action Movie Genre whole, "War, Inc." appears to have turned off David Swanson, but I thought it was a beautiful send up of that disgusting genre, hilariously putting up a mirror to the American Zeitgeist.

I have tons of Right Wing relatives and acquaintances and it is my opinion that one of their major intellectual limitations is the inability to distinguish between the hideous reality of action in war and the snap, crackle and pop of war action movies. That is why Karl Rove dressed Shrub up in that Top Gun outfit for his strut across the deck of the Lincoln. This movie demonstrates that conflation with a lot wit and zip.


Most American viewers will not be turned off by that aspect -- they will just be puzzled as to what it is supposed to "mean." David got what it meant, but didn't think it was funny . . . .

Oh well.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:31 PM
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23. interesting
thanks for taking the time to add your thoughts
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:31 PM
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24. yeah
probably a fair number of people will have your reaction

whenever i see a film like this that does completely turn me off, there are usually people who respond "But it's satire!"

And I respond "Yes, I know, but it sucks!"

And they say "That's why it's brilliant satire."

And I say "But I like Voltaire, and this is shit."

And they say "Well, you have no taste."

Which maybe I don't.
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DaveT Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 09:35 PM
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25. Nah, you have taste.
Comedy is always iffy.

I love Carlin but I can't stand Seinfeld. I love Sarah Silverman but I detest Rita Rudner. I like Gallagher but I loathe Carrot Top.

We do agree about Voltaire, for sure. Especially Zadig for me. But I'm not that keen on Candide.

See what I mean?
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DaveT Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 09:42 PM
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26. ps
The only part that I disagree with you on is "but it sucks!" I don't think it sucks at all. I know there is a school of comedy that is all about sucking at some allegedly sublime level of suckitude -- but that is not why I liked this movie.

Some may like it that way, but not me.

I can empathize with you, David, because I really really really hated the comedy of Andy Kauffman.

Comedy is always iffy.
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