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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 11:24 AM
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Momentum Building For Bugliosi's Case Against George W. Bush For Murder


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Bugliosi's presentation blew the roof off the venue at the Los Angeles' Great Mind series, hosted by Progressive Democrats of America, and co-sponsored by CODEPINK, LAProgressive.com and several grassroots groups. Bugliosi held the audience spellbound as he guided it down the twisted path of Bush's hedonism and criminality. In true prosecutorial style, this master of law made his audience believe - and understand - that George Bush was guilty of murder. True, the audience was principally progressive and already on Bugliosi's side. Nonetheless, the evidence was overwhelming that Bush took this nation to war knowing there were NO weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. And despite the thousands upon thousands of deaths that he caused, George Bush wasn't bothered in the least. In fact, while young Americans and Iraqis were dying, George Bush was having fun.

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Seated in the audience were many attorneys - each in possession of a newly purchased book that they fanned furiously from footnote to text as they followed Bugliosi along. To say this audience was riveted is an understatement. In a nation demoralized by an unconstrained President and a spineless constrained Congress, Vincent Bugliosi offers the promise and potential for the justice that Congress failed to provide. The momentum is building.

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Finally, as I reported in my first article on Vince Bugliosi's new book, The Prosecution Of George W. Bush For Murder, (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-milazzo/a-call-to-heroes-my-sit-d_b_108496.html), corporate media - which Vince refers to as mainstream or national media - has completely blacked out the book. There is a bright side however, in that Vince believes a major newspaper may soon feature an article stating the book should not be blacked out! In any event, the patriotic blogosphere continues to push Vince's book up the list just as it did with Jeremy Scahill's "Blackwater." As Vince says in the following clip, the book is now at #12 on the New York Times Bestseller list - thanks to all of YOU!

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We're on our way to #1. Buy the book. Justice is on the way!! Thanks to you Vincent Bugliosi - and to your fabulous wife and partner, Gail!!
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 11:39 AM
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1. I believe this with all my heart
bushco is going down. They tell us they have their bases covered and we no longer are a signee or whatever to the ICC but I say a crook doesn't get to write the laws that they want allowing them to do anything they want like invade, destroy and kill off a country and many of its citizens. This is one of the big crimes of all times and trust me they will pay and pay dearly it will be.

I might even buy a new teevee just to watch the trials on too.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 11:49 AM
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2. Bugliosi for AG...
I'll bet the shit would hit the fans!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 02:16 PM
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5. Can you imagine?
Wow....
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 11:49 AM
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3. kick
I have to get this book...
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:03 PM
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4. Book'em Danno.
Music to my ears.
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InternalDialogue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 04:10 PM
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6. The passage about the lawyers:
Seated in the audience were many attorneys - each in possession of a newly purchased book that they fanned furiously from footnote to text as they followed Bugliosi along.


reminded me of hearing Bugliosi on Ian Masters's show last week. He said that of the thousands of federal and state lawyers in AG and district offices across the country, he just needed one to read the book and bring the case. It's not like he has to convince the whole world, just the one lawyer who will file in court.

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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 06:54 PM
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7. K&R&Impeach First
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:38 AM
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8. k&r-Bugliosi was on Ring of Fire and Politically Direct last week
I highly recommend finding the podcasts-he is very angry and determined. said he won't rest until he gets **sh. Linda Milazzo is great. I've saved this article she wrote a while ago


Linda Milazzo: Kennedys, Bushes and Oil: Public Interest vs. Self Interest


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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:40 AM
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9. Very good. My hope is there are some brave prosecutors
in the US willing to try justice. Jurisdiction has been established for many districts.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:59 AM
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10. I'm going out to get that book today. Doing my part to
get it to the top of the NYT Bestsellers List.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 08:21 AM
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11. Any lawyers in the house?
What are the actual odds of getting a sitting president convicted of murder? What are the actual odds of getting a former president convicted of murder?

Thanks, I'll hang up and listen for your answer.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 08:29 AM
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12. If congress does not impeach and prosecute,
this is a remedy for the people. There is no statute of limitations for murder which is the reason for the book.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:25 AM
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15. K&R for that reason !
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DaveT Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:21 AM
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14. Haven't practiced the law in 16 years
Edited on Sat Jun-28-08 11:22 AM by DaveT
but I graduated from the University of Texas School of Law and ran my own law office for eight years, representing police officers in their civil and criminal litigation. (The personal and ethical stress of that gig drove me out of the profession -- I walked away from all that and never looked back.)

My opinion? The odds are exactly Zero Percent that any prosecutor will get George W. Bush convicted of murder.

I have not read Bugliosi's book -- nor his previous 1600 page vindication of the Warren Report. But the premise is absurd on its face. I would like to see Shrub tried and convicted of war crimes and maybe treason, but the idea that you can lie somebody to death and get convicted of murder for it is pretty far fetched.

Any reasonably clever law student can come up with a hypothetical that would justify that kind of prosecution -- the Defendant lies to the Deceased about the contents of a bottle of poison, stating that it is a love potion.

This kind of creative prosecution is fun whey you already hate the Defendant. But it is not really a plausible or honorable way for prosecutors to act.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 03:17 PM
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16. So you do not believe in the premise of willful wrongful death?
Edited on Sat Jun-28-08 03:36 PM by mmonk
Remember they were sent on his order on a false premise. Or are the soldiers guilty of contributory negligence?
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DaveT Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 10:07 AM
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19. Willful wrongful death
suggests a civil rather than a criminal case.

The Goldman family successfully sued O.J. Simpson for "willfully and wrongly causing the death" of Ron Goldman. The burden of proof is significantly easier in a civil trial, and once Simpson was acquitted on criminal charges he no longer had any priviledge against self incrimination -- which made it possible for the Goldman lawyers to eat his lunch on the witness stand.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9702/04/jury.questions/index.html

Even so, the accusation in that case was that OJ knifed Ron and Nicole to death. This theoretical case agaist Bush alleges that he lied thousands of people to death -- a much more attenuated argument. If Bugliosi's theory makes any legal sense, any one of the 4,000 plus families of fallen troops could sue under this theory and there is no need to wait for a prosecutor to find the guts to take it on. I take no pleasure in saying this, but it ain't gonna happen. If any lawyer did file this case, it would be dismissed on the first defense motion for failing to state a claim for which relief may be granted.


As I mentioned, there is a logical consistency in Bugliosi's argument -- but it is just a gimmick, I am sorry to say. It will not fly in the real world.

Just as all the pining for a Merry Fitzmas came to naught a couple of years ago, DUers who hope for some legal deus ex machina to pop out of the box and do what the Congress refuses to do and bring Bush to justice will be disappointed again.

When Nixon tried to rip up the Constitution, to turn the Federal Government into a mafia style shake down operation, and to run a criminal conspiracy from the Oval Office, the leadership of the Democratic Party reluctantly and slowly took action to save the Republic from despotism.

I do not understand why this Congress refuses to do the same thing. The provocation is much worse. This is an unprecedented constitutional crisis and I understand the longing for some way around the failure of our Party to do its Constitutional duty. But there is not going to be any legal solution.

Bugliosi is just throwing up yet another diversion from the hard reality of our totally corrupted political system.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 07:40 PM
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17. Thanks, that's kind of what I'm thinking.
I haven't read the book, but am looking forward to it. Still, I have serious doubts about this happening. Mostly because even if there is validity in the legal arguments, we all know the powers that be will never let it happen. Hell, Ford cleared Nixon. The precedent this would set for future presidents would also make it unlikely to actually happen.

Also, I'm sure if it ever gets very far, some freeper will file a lawsuit against Bill Clinton claiming he murdered Vince Foster or something.

There's nothing I'd like more than see that archetype of arrogance brought to some kind of justice, but I think this is a feel-good pipe dream. A better chance may be to convict him of war crimes. I reserve the right to change my opinion after I read his book.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 11:07 AM
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13. K & R (and BUY HIS BOOK, DUERS). n/t
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:56 PM
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18. Shameless kick.
Make it reach #1.
Phone, email, buy and send...
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