Who are those assholes trying to shout down John Mccain??

That is really helping our cause, don't you think? There's a time to talk and there's a time to shut the hell up. In my humble opinion.

Is it just random heckling, or are they responding to a patently offensive remark?

His last thirty years in government have proved his intentions. What he says now has little truth involved so shout the bastard down..

of vets, yet he couldn't be bothered to support the GI Bill? He speaks out of both sides of his mouth and needs to be called on it, early and often.

during his speech, questions shouted as soon as he comes up for air.

We've been shouted down ever since 1969. We know what it feels like. I think that's why some of us are uncomfortable with it as a tactic.

When everybody's yelling, nobody gets heard.

polite boos and catcalls? :wtf: :shrug:

soft boos and catcalls vs. loudly shouting over someone so that his words can't be heard. Your choice, I guess.

It's not going to win over a single person and it is more likely to turn people away.

:sarcasm:

They're sure to convince people to join their side by yelling in their faces...:sarcasm:

LOL

I think lies should be interrupted.

It just stokes the fires of the O'Reilly/Rush RWingers

" see- they ARE fire breathing liberals"

One of the things I like about Obama is he remains
a gentleman, no matter what the other side throws at him.

And hell, the primaries were a grueling basic training
for him.

Sure thing,

That doesn't provide lots of material for the RW
to use against us.

It soooo benefits us!

:sarcasm:

There are other ways of countering his arguments.

One's that won't come back to bite us in the ass.

Please. We aren't this dumb, kajsa. They'll attack Obama with all the dirt they can dream up, with or without our "help". If we were smart, we'd plant these people at his speeches so we can control the message that gets out by making the hecklers, and not the message, the only things the corporate media covers, and at the same time blame it on "the fringe". Meanwhile, we can also call attention to their own not-so-fringe (like talking heads that bring up assassination).

We could control his whole message this way. But no- we're "above" that.

:grr:

(BTW: There is no apostrophe in 'ones')

I agree with the OP.

My opinion comes from an accumulation of info from education courses
( specifically classroom management) and a speech class, many moons ago.

" Anticipate your audiences' reaction"
and

" don't give them anything they
can hang you with "

are the two I remember the most.

Do I think McSame deserves it?
Hell Yes!

Will it end up hurting us more in the end?

I believe it will.

That is what I don't want to see happen.

Obviously, you don't know a damn thing about me
and it shows.

:eyes:

read what TwoAmericas wrote.

He nailed it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3535022&mesg_id=3535499

with your :sarcasm: lalalalalala I can't hear you.

with your :sarcasm: lalalalalala I can't hear you.

That didn't even make sense!

What-" :sarcasm:lalalalalala I can't hear you." ?

Please show me where I said that.

Did you post in the wrong place?

Letting the chimp in chief play only to vetted crowds of military personnel under orders to support the little chicken hawk give the impression that America agrees with the speaker. It tends to make individuals who dissent think they are out of step with mainstream which tends to intimidate many into silence, further giving the impression that EVERYONE agrees with the idiots in the junta.

Nixon was chased indoors because We The People would not stand for him speaking to us without our chance to speak back to power. Once he was hunkered in the bunker, unable to face US, Congress went after him, having heard the voice of Americans loud and clear.

Do not suffer fools silently. Only the fools win when we do.

maybe they would think twice about what they are doing. McCain is despicable on the GI bill. And when is an appropriate time? This is one of those so-called town hall meetings, right? It's not a poetry reading, fer gad's sake.

Shout out loud, shout out often!

:toast:

This Is What Democracy Looks Like

It's beyond me why McCain, a POW,
would NOT endorse it!

angry and concerned patriots maybe!? I say BRAVO to them.

I was in the other room and was listening to McCain in the background. My first impression was that this must be a plant from the GOP dirty tricksters? I'm still not sure? Although I think these bastards should be called out on their lies, we should not do it in a way that promotes their message and hurts our own.

"we should not do it in a way that promotes their message and hurts our own."

Exactly!

in my mind. And then to have the temerity to claim he feels vets' collective pain, yet wants nothing to do with voting in their best interests. Something is wrong with that picture.

And they were anti-war activists.

Are you sure? I remember how the Repubs used to set up these kinds of pranks during the Vietnam war period, to try and make the "other side" look unpatriotic.

when I find it, though don't you think McSame and the rethugs have enough problems without adding to them this way?

during this presidential election.

making their case? I think that's totally logical.

I think the average American voter would say, "Hey, I disagree with the guy but he has a right to speak". It reflects poorly on McCain's opponents - namely Barack Obama and the Democratic Party and their supporters who wish to change the system in November. Basically.

are people out there brave enough to make some noise.

Of course people are entitled to their opinion and are free to express themselves as they choose. The question is whether or not an individual's need for self-expression trumps what is best for our common cause.

Ironic I think that there have been all these bitter debates here this week about what opinions should and should not be expressed in this relatively isolated and safe environment, with many people trying to squelch dissent because it "hurts the cause." Yet antics designed to get mass media attention and certain to alienate the public are defended on the grounds of freedom of expression.

Don't we have this backward? We desperately need free and open discussion among ourselves, and need to consciously and intentionally think about what we put in front of the public.

This entire election is going to be "produced" like a Broadway show.

Hecklers Butt In as McCain Addresses Latino Group

June 28, 2008 12:30 PM



ABC News' Bret Hovell and Jennifer Duck report: Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was interrupted repeatedly by hecklers as he and his likely Democratic presidential opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., separately addressed the National Association of Latino Elected Officials Saturday, at the Renaissance Hotel in downtown Washington, D.C.

McCain was interrupted four times by protestors, three of whom were identifiable as CodePink members. Four separate interruptions (as opposed to the number of people protesting, which can vary) may tie a record for recent McCain events. In Denver in late May, McCain was interrupted four times during a foreign policy speech.

One of the protestors spoke in Spanish, then translated as she was getting hauled out of the room: "Your silence is consent to war crimes," she shouted at the crowd, which booed her.

Three of the protestors were women, one was a man.

Of the first protestor, a woman from Code Pink who frequents most of McCain’s stops in Washington, McCain quipped, "That’s a very familiar voice to me."

The woman was protesting the Iraq war, saying that she wanted a "peace candidate."

more...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/06/hecklers-butt-i.html

"Your silence is consent to war crimes," she shouted at the crowd, which booed her."

If the people are against you, you are probably not being effective with your message?? Just a hunch.

The screamer or the object of the scream? The supporters of the screamers or those that booed the screamers? if it is about "free speech", is it also about free speech for John McCain. What if a bunch of "freeper-types" started screaming when Obama was giving his speech? What if they were accusing him of being a Muslim? What if it were a bunch of "anti-FISA" people that shouted down Obama? Would you think the same way?

problem with that, especially when I agree with them. Accusing Obama of being a Muslim is not the truth so yes, I'd have a problem with that.
As for anti-FISA people, can you let the man vote first? McCain has voted on this war, for years. Don't you think it's time someone called him out on it?

We obviously don't agree, and I'm not going to argue with you, nor will you change my mind. I think it very brave of these people to express themselves; did you ever think the way they did it is the only way people will listen? Do you think any m$m would grant Code Pink a sit-down to express themselves, then air that? No, neither do I.

And PS, in my book, 'consent to war crimes' could be viewed as a weakness.

Would you support the same group if they went into a church during services and starting shouting at the preacher, even if you thought they were telling the truth? Or is there a time and place for everything? Are there any circumstances where protest would be inappropriate or off-limits?? A funeral, maybe?

and that is what makes them so effective. I also can't imagine then going into a church and shouting at the preacher unless he was promoting the war.

That's a STATEMENT!

She is so incredibly awesome.

... There's a HUGE difference... but I'm sure you knew that, right?

And not challenged McCain, because the audience didn't like them. Looks like a lot of people on this board saw them and DID like what they saw. Fuck those people that were booing.

That's the best strategy to winning any election.

Good grief, they will NEVER vote our way. Never. And I don't care. You shouldn't either.

"Your silence is consent to war crimes," she shouted at the crowd"

Go ahead and boo her too...

Of course they boo. Their poster boy got his chops busted. That is no reason to stop busting chops

The day of the Fluff Bunny DEMS is over. Time for fire breathing patriots to speak truth to power. Miss Manners is not gonna save the Constitution and America!

Make sure McCain can't risk speaking in front of a REAL town hall meeting with REAL, un-vetted townspeople in attendance. Then, whey he has to hide behind orchestrated photo ops like his hero the chicken hawk bush, make damned sure America is aware that he is afraid to face the REAL AMERICA.

It reflects more on the person doing the shouting than the person being shouted down. That's the approach many religious fundamentalists take...poor company to be keeping.

We are where we are because we didn't shout down the real assholes that have brought us to the precipice of fascism.

But that doesn't mean that now is the time to shout. Just because we shoot ourselves in the foot does not mean we should turn around and shoot ourselves in the head...

and we've read over and over how getting the message into the collective consciousness (whether it's a good/true message or not) WORKS.

Remember this? Did it hurt their cause?

According to Jeffrey Toobin, Miami riot led by Stone, MacDougald also summoned by Baker. Nydia and her mother Olga help recruit Cubans for the Courthouse Riot and march advertised on Radio Mambi. From Dec. 4, 2000, Time Magazine: The organizers in the RV outside, who G.O.P. protesters have told Time were led by hardball Washington strategist Roger Stone, had phone banks churning out calls to Miami Republicans, urging them to storm downtown, while Stone directed the action with a walkie-talkie. (Stone could not be reached for comment.) - Jeffrey Toobin, Too Close to Call
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According to Toobin, Cheney calls Roger Stone to thank him for Miami Courthouse Riot, asks him what he would like as compensation (Jeffrey Toobin, Too Close to Call).http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/4/122247/7113

I'm not saying it's the "best" way to behave but I'm also not going to condemn those who feel so strongly and exercise their free speech. Let's stop blaming anyone protesting endless war and start framing the situation better.

For instance, "What has McCain DONE to bring on this protest?" Isn't that the way to approach this situation?

I'm not concerned how our side looks at this point, they're going to paint our side into a "free speech zone" soon enough with or without this kind of activity. So now is the time to ask WHY are people protesting so vehemently. What's McCain DONE?

Sooner or later he's going to come unglued before a microphone.

Then the public will see the real John McCain.

I would agree.

Thanks for your concern :eyes:

We are all impressed with your liberal credentials. Do you have the same common-sense credentials to back it up? Let's not look beyond the tip of our noses. That would be uncharacteristic.

I'm thankful when people stand up to power, myself.

"anti-war"? maybe not? This is the political season and the Republicans are desperate for an issue. I don't assume anything is as it appears.

...I guess you will live with a lot of doubt about what you see then.

:shrug:

I think if they had been plants, they would have acted more outrageously and maybe made personal comments about McCain.

Myself, I hope protesters will follow and hound McCain and Bush for the rest of their lives (especially Bush).

"I hope protesters will follow and hound McCain and Bush for the rest of their lives"

Just not when it will hurt our efforts to make sure we don't have 4 more years of their crap. They play dirty, I have no doubts.

I think it is short-sighted not to see the negatives and the positives of such protesters. I am skeptical of such outbursts.

In the eyes of most Americans. Looking foolish seldom helps your case, no matter how well-intended.

is a completely subjective judgment on your part.

and on the part of those that booed them as they interrupted. But the question is, does it help or hurt during this political season? Dressing up like Halloween in Pink with homemade Liberty crowns does not lend itself to a lot of credibility, in my opinion. Not the people most Americans would vote for, for good or bad.

And heckling is fine with me.

And the truth.

tell me again how it will help us now. and I'm one of those anti war assholes, got something against it?:evilgrin:

Tactics need to be judged by how effective they are. A tactic is "right" if it is effective, and "wrong" if it is not. I don't think you were calling for politeness or moderation, necessarily.

Some here are saying that the tactic is right because the cause is right. That is not logical.

Some are confusing obnoxious with radical.

Others are saying that they, the media, will portray us badly in any case. In other words, no tactic works, so what difference does it make? In that case, if no tactics are working (I think that is the case) it is time to re-think strategy.

Others are saying that "they won't listen to us or change their minds anyway, so who cares if we offend them?" That is very weak. The "they" that matters is the general public. If people think they won't listen no matter what, then why bother at all with anything? As an indulgence in self-expression for personal satisfaction?

My personal opinion is that this is a symptom of a weak and flawed tactical concept - "speaking truth to power." I think we need to speak truth to the powerless. We need to seize power, not yell at it. "Speaking truth to power" reminds me of rebellious teen agers sassing their parents.

"Some here are saying that the tactic is right because the cause is right. That is not logical."

"Some are confusing obnoxious with radical. "

Thanks for wording it better than I did,TwoAmericas.

:toast:

:pals: :D

walk out. Don't show up. But by shouting someone down, you are not only not allowing yourself to hear it but other who may want to listen to whatever is being said. Not allowing someone to speak their piece, no matter how silly it is, pretty much amounts to fascism. I do not want anyone, not Republicans, fellow Democrats, Atheists, Evangelicals decide for me what gets said at a public venue. You are not smart enough to decide for me and I do not want you trying.

in this case. They were booed by the crowd. Not a good sign that they are with you. As I said before, I was in another room and it immediately turned me off because of the obnoxiousness and rudeness of it. Although I respect their right to protest and to do so loudly when necessary. Just because you have a pass to get into an event does not necessarily make it the right time to scream. If they are identified as "Code Pink", a liberal group, then it does not help us in any way. The people that are against the war are already against the war. They may not already be against liberals? If it is about "free speech", then it is also about free speech for John McCain. It's not a rational argument, in my opinion.

The more you post, the more it becomes obvious you didn't see the video or the news coverage. Yet you have this opinion that what the Code Pinkers did was so wrong?!?!

Good grief. :eyes:

I didn't realize that, but should not be surprised.

One thing for sure, Code Pink is getting promoted a lot.

Medea Benjamin and her organization have done more to marginalize and trivialize the fight for justice and inequality than anyone in recent memory, in my opinion.

Yes it was Code Pink. They are in the trenches. I can't begin to say how much respect I have for those people. They are at least speaking out. Perhaps they wouldn't be perceived as marginalizing the movement if more of us joined them. :shrug:

If Code Pink is the model for being "in the trenches" we are in big trouble.

No doubt they win the "more activist than thou" award if that is what we are going for.

That more don't join them is symptomatic of what is wrong with the organization. It is a contradiction in terms to say "we would have a wonderful political movement if only more people would join us!!! (and wear pink tiaras.") The point of a political organization is to recruit and motivate people, not to form an exclusive little club and show everyone how right you are about everything.

Medea Benjamin is a daughter of privilege, well-funded and well-connected with the wealthy and powerful who has carved out a nice little career for herself as a media celebrity at the expense of the rest of us and the fight for justice and equality. Code Pink is the epitome of everything that is wrong with modern liberalism - exhibitionist, self-centered, playing in the same league with the big money people, alienating the working class, and making a mockery of all of us.

Those fighting for immigrant rights and organizing unions are "in the trenches," not some self-important grand-standers and publicity hogs who are more interested in radical chic self-expression and self-righteousness than they are in the cause of justice and equality. "Look at us! We are superior to all of you peons! In your face! And if you don't like it, too bad!"

God, the Yippies were more politically sophisticated than this.

What are you doing to end the war?

And since you brought it up, what are you doing for immigrant rights? Union organizing?

I also find it offensive that you imply Medea's work is somehow less honorable because she was born wealthy. What the hell difference does that make?

Calling what is happening in Iraq a "war" is promoting the administration's agenda. They want to call the illegal invasion and occupation a war to justify cracking down here and advancing corporate interests there. "We are a nation at war" - no we aren't. That dramatizes and glorifies what is happening there. It gives the right wingers an excuse to promote authoritarianism and advance corporate interests, and it gives some liberals something easy and painless to be "against." It is like being "against murder" when what is happening is theft, and failing to stop the theft or apprehend the thieves because we are so busy being "against murder." Saying that you are "against murder" may feel good, but meanwhile the theft continues.

I didn't say that Benjamin's work was not "honorable" because she is wealthy, I said that she is far from "in the trenches." It would not necessarily make any difference, as there have been many people born to wealth and privileged backgrounds in our history who fought for the common man and put their lives and careers at risk doing so.

I am not questioning what you are or are not doing personally, I am talking about a public figure. Defending that public figure by attacking me - which is what your sneering questioning is - is a dishonest debate tactic. So I did not "bring it up" as you claim.

I don't care about Code Pink, and they can do whatever they like and you can admire them if you like. I will continue to express my opinion. I don't idolize her, nor see her as on our side, nor do I think it is inappropriate to criticize her as the leader of an organization for the tactics that organization is using.

and you don't think we are at war.

You really need to get out more. :)

Our military is policing another country that our government illegally invaded, and being targeted by an insurgency. That isn't a war. It is an occupation.

out of sight and out of mind to the war criminals that be, I relish any opportunity for them to actually be exposed to the real America that they claim to love so much, and see just how much it really loves them. I don't think you really have to worry about people being turned off. The people that think Bush is a God and Mclame is a true American hero aren't going to be persuaded to vote for Obama anyways until something happens to them personally that affects the way they view the world.

in Denver will be put in place by Democrats. You have no idea how disgusted I am at this turn of events.

The last couple of elections have turned on very small margins. The people "turned off" by a groups actions could very well make up the difference.

I have very little faith in polls showing Obama with a huge lead. I really do imagine that the race is uncomfortable tight and could turn toward one candidate or another on some event.

It could save Arizona's Senior Senator from boring the nation to tears. :boring:

Can you say smallest 'bump' ever coming out of a National Convention? :yoiks:

Anti-war assholes. They're beautiful. :hi:

I guess? Sometimes they look ridiculous, in my opinion.

the body parts people have to pick up every day in Iraq.

However, if the entire Democratic Party acted the same way, I'm certain we would continue to pick up four more years of body parts with John McCain as President. Then, what would we scream about? I think you have to pick your political fights where you can win.

:spank:

:rofl:

with the way most other Americans might think? In my opinion, the majority of Americans would disagree with such interruptions, no matter how warranted.

I'd love to learn more about them.

it might be a little late? Sixty million of them voted for that another asshole named George W Bush.

are unsubstantiated.

:shrug:

That he is in office, under the current state of our elections, is not really proof of that.

:shrug:

But I don't think he stole the entire 60 million votes he got in the last election. I think he beat Kerry in the popular vote, by all counts. I'm not sure that he beat Kerry in OH and that is where he won the election. I think most Americans voted for George W Bush, damn them to hell. But that is old news, I suppose?

for the last three years.

Bush didn't win Ohio by a majority that anyone can prove. What we do have is a mountain of evidence that he didn't as documented by Mr. Conyers, by the GAO, by independent journalists like the guys at Free Press and by Greg Palast and by scholars like Mark Crispin Miller and RFK Jr.

And there are several other states that had horrible "problems" that all happened to favor Bush: FL, NM, PA, WV, CO, SC and I'm probably leaving some out. We all heard something about Ohio but these other places mostly got no attention unless you were specifically looking for the information.

So, no. We don't know that "most Americans" voted for Bush. We just know that we were saddled with him by our current election system.

Enough to make a difference in the popular vote? I agree that our current election system sucks.

in key venues -- swing states and in black, student and military precincts. You only need to shave some off and ideally, you do it under the radar. They blew it this time and didn't go under the radar. That's why Ken Blackwell had to turn himself into a pretzel to put off and sabotage that OH recount.

Our popular vote count is sort of a joke right now so I won't say anything about that. But I personally do not believe that Bush won the popular vote. What I do believe is that this country is so big that people who got ripped off assumed it was the guys over the hill that voted for Bush. :shrug:

And if you think those "assholes" will change their minds because everyone behaved themselves at a McCain speech I have a bridge for you.... This bad behavior reflects badly on us in the eyes of those supporting Bush/McCain?

As I said above, it has NEVER hurt their cause to act outrageously.... And we've read over and over how getting the message into the collective consciousness (whether it's a good/true message or not) WORKS.

Remember this? Did it hurt their cause?

According to Jeffrey Toobin, Miami riot led by Stone, MacDougald also summoned by Baker. Nydia and her mother Olga help recruit Cubans for the Courthouse Riot and march advertised on Radio Mambi. From Dec. 4, 2000, Time Magazine: The organizers in the RV outside, who G.O.P. protesters have told Time were led by hardball Washington strategist Roger Stone, had phone banks churning out calls to Miami Republicans, urging them to storm downtown, while Stone directed the action with a walkie-talkie. (Stone could not be reached for comment.) - Jeffrey Toobin, Too Close to Call
<>
According to Toobin, Cheney calls Roger Stone to thank him for Miami Courthouse Riot, asks him what he would like as compensation (Jeffrey Toobin, Too Close to Call).http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/4/122247/7113



I don't know where you live but where I live people who supported republicans were deliriously happy about those republican staffers who hammed up to the cameras through the windows while they tried to decipher the mysterious chads from the 2000 election. It's not about who's behaving better to them, it's about who WINS.

I would certainly appreciate it if more people would think to ask WHAT DID McCAIN DO ?to deserve this kind of treatment instead of being so worried about what those who don't care enough to have an informed opinion by this time might think.

Might indicate a pulse in America.

with others that are against this war also and see the screaming as anti-productive at best and childish, at the worst. If you wish to identify with assholes, that is your right as an American.

The greatest sin in a fascist shift is silence.

I agree with your statement. I just happen to think the tactic by the group today is counter productive and would only lead us to fascism more quickly because if you don't have the people behind you, you are doomed.

Many do not today.

I also agree with the right of John McCain to express himself. I think history would indicate that free speech is a good thing. But when does it become about stifling free speech? And from there, when does it become about stifling the right to vote? It's dangerous ground we tread here, in my opinion.

that are taking away constitutional protections or are not honest in public when they hold positions of power. I suppose I'm the wrong one to ask. Should a distinction be made or a line drawn? I don't know.

it might determine if they continue to take away our constitutional protections. Unfortunately, there is not going to be a revolution in the streets - it will be done at the ballot box. That is where we have to win. Anything that hinders that is a questionable action. I do not wish to hear right-wing talk radio and the Republican talking heads spouting off about how the "liberals" want to keep John McCain from speaking in public. But that is exactly what this has accomplished. Bravo, Code Pink!

Whether they be politicians, CEOs, or anybody else who controls other people's lives.

Democracy is all about NOT trusting politicians or treating them like aristocrats.

has it been the case that CSPAN hearings -- the ones we watch so carefully, on torture, on corruption, on Bush crimes against the state -- how many times have those hearings only made the evening news because Code Pink demonstrated there?

You really, really, really need to redefine "asshole" for yourself. How "foolish" or "childish" are you willing to get to defend your civil rights or to stand against war crimes or to draw attention to social injustice?

and saw these funny looking pink costumes in the background with cardboard crowns, etc, and wondered who the hell is that! And then were totally oblivious to what was being talked about? Maybe I am wrong? Maybe the average person would say, "Now that is the person I want to speak for me"? I think their intent is totally honorable and good - I just happen to think the way they do it is not. I do not believe they change any minds whatsoever. Those that support them support their cause already, in my opinion.

they are valuable -- considering how demoralizing the last seven years have been.

If all Code Pink does is get those hearings on the evening news, they're valuable.

If all Code Pink does is keep bringing up the war which the corporate media hides, they're valuable.

You may be embarrassed or distressed but beyond how you personally feel, as justified as you may be to feel that way, there is a number of valuable tasks Code Pink has taken on.

:-) Keep talking... I may be persuaded to change my position... flip-flop, if you will.

make a fuss.

Imagine my flip flop. :)

The lady on the left. I don't think we would disagree about Condi. LOL

If so, then she is an asshole. And if they make the evening news, how would most people interpret it? Who are these morons?? I doubt you are in the majority here. But what difference does that make, right? It's about truth and justice.

and you are calling them assholes.

And if by "here" you mean DU, yes I do believe I am in the majority that supports Code Pink.

No they are not morons. They are people who have given up a lot to speak out against the war and the Bush administration. Desiree, in the picture I posted, quit her job and moved to DC to be a full time activist. I can't even begin to describe how much I admire that.

Yes, she was there.

You DO, Desire, YOU GO!!!!

Fuck these warmonger pigs. Let them know at least someone is not afraid to call them the war criminals they are.

I admire them.

Don

I do too. But I think their tactics make it more difficult to do anything about these "warmonger pigs". My bet is that if they make the news tonight, they will be described as "the liberal group, Code Pink" which will only make our job more difficult to persuade the American people to make the change that we know needs to be made. Sometimes I believe we are our own worst enemy?

I'll answer for ya,

Absolutely fucking nothing. What the fuck are YOU doing for instance?

Are you? And how does this help get that job done? Just what has it accomplished? If you want to take a crap in the stew, that is your choice.

I like Obama, will vote for him, but I am under no allusions that he is some sort of savior.

better video; check out between 30-50 second mark. Similar...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOnlXA_VF4o

I honestly can't believe this much fuss is being made (on this board) about that incident.

:applause:

:rofl:

CNN has a definite bias against Obama. Most of their political coverage seems to be based on what Obama said or did and a discussion of whether McCain's right in criticizing it. Rarely do they take McCain's positions as a point of departure.

However, I don't think any of this will change too many minds so I'm not too bothered by it one way or the other. What I think will be more significant are the "specials" that I anticipate CNN will run about McCain's life of heroism from his days as a POW. I think they're going to go into major McCain orgasm mode as the election approaches.

to those of John McCain, in front of this same group, this is what we get? Very productive, isn't it?

They effectively ruined his speech and any memory of it. They made him look weak and unable to command a crowd. There are ways to deal with hecklers and if John McCain hasn't learned them by now, tough luck.

mission accomplished! :thumbsup:

A sign of protest on one's back might add to the protest. Shouting down &/or heckling a speaker is counter productive & gives sympathy to the speaker.

In fact, I prefer it. I also like mass walkouts.

Just the same, McCain could have turned it all around by confronting those women from his podium. He could have addressed them and admonished them but he didn't. He made a little comment but mostly, he just stood there like a goon.

It sucks to be him.

to infiltrate into one of the republican pre-screened Q&A's! confront him with a genuine question on current affairs and film him as he makes another awkward "joke" about his wife as an answer!

every time he opens his mouth he puts his foot in. The more he talks, the more people realize what an idiot he is.

Maybe it is time to get loud.

Don't allow them to continue lying. Polite and proper or rude and loud the RWers will lie, insult and repeat. Our "behavior" makes no difference to them. Being loud might just make someone wake up from their compliant COMA and ask what all the noise is about. SHOUT THEM OUT.

"I ‘Don’t See How It Matters’ That I Don’t Know The Price Of Gas" --John McCain

"I disagree with what the majority of the American people want." --John McCain

with owners, bosses, and their lackeys. i guess the owning class back then called them "incendiaries" because they firebombed and rioted for things like an 8 hour work day.

a lapse in decorum?

sounds pretty lightweight to me.

His hearing aid battery just ran out, that's all.