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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:07 PM
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Sy Hersch fingers Democratic leadership in the Committees as being guilty of allowing this shit...
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 07:16 PM by Postman
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/29/late-edition-sy-hersh-says-attacks-on-iran-happening-now/

What's the friggin difference between a republican imperialist and a democratic one?

I'm sick of all these MoFo's...The Mafia, La Cosa Nostra, whatever you want to call organized crime, couldn't hold a candle to the crooks known as the US gov't..
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:09 PM
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1. He's made a string of explosive claims recently
and backed none of them up with evidence. While I believe that there's people on both sides complicit, he's lost his credibility with me.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:13 PM
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2. wow.
I totally disagree.

He's maybe the one guy in journalism that insiders use to get the story out so that maybe, just maybe the apathetic public will be shaken from their American Idol slumber enough to do something about it.,,,Maybe his getting the story out has actually thrown a monkey wrench into Bush's plans previously....
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:20 PM
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10. He's been saying the Spec Ops were in Iran for 5 years now
where's the damage they've done? Why aren't Iran playing the victim and reporting their guys going missing? Why doesn't Iran take that to the UN?

Where are the rape tapes from Abu Ghraib? He's said they exist, but in this day and age, everything leaks. Copies are made, people screw up, whatever.


I know this guy has a reputation of some excellent work, but I feel his biting at nothing and reporting it as a juicy steak.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:22 PM
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13. 'Damage" ?
These secret ops are gathering intel ,chosing targets..ect...

They are preparing for war ...not waging war...just yet.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:24 PM
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14. For 3 years, without one of them getting caught?
You don't think Iran would show the body?
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:34 PM
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16. we were crawling all over Iran in 1953 ...
and they never showed a body.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:41 PM
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18. Dude, how can you be soo naive?
n/t
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:09 PM
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23. I asked for evidence.
How is that naive?
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:07 PM
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30. So you are saying any story that doesn't expose whistle blowers shouldn't be believed?
There is a reason that reporters don't expose their anonymous sources, I don't have to explain to you what that reason is do I?
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 05:13 PM
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34. Is this evidence?
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/33498
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:45 PM
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20. i totally agree with you
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:14 PM
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3. I knew someone in DC,
a man from an old Washington family that had had the premier framing business. They did work for the State Department, the White House, the Smithsonian, places like that. I was friendly with the old man who turned out to be the last of his family to run the business. Anyway, he told me about Sy Hersh, who came to see him when he was writing his book about JFK, and how obnoxious Hersh was when my friend had no juicy stories to tell him about President Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe. He said Hersh tried every which way to get him to tell him something that had never happened.

He was really disgusted with him. Ever since then, I've taken Hersh's work with a huge grain - nay, a cup - of salt.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:19 PM
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7. Oh wow, and old Washington family that doesn't like Seymour Hersh...
:eyes:

Yeah. Well. I'll take them with a grain of salt too.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 07:32 AM
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28. I don't understand your post
Do you think Washington is populated only with political professionals? It's just a city like any other.

I really don't get whatever point you were attempting to make.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:19 PM
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8. So...
Sy says we are in Iran.

Bush's hacks say we are not in Iran.


And you believe the republicans why ? :shrug:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:21 PM
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11. I disapprove of your argument style
and will not respond to loaded questions. If I wanted to call Hannity, I'd pick up the phone.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:42 PM
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19. just sayin.
You decided who you want to believe.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:38 PM
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17. Actually no journalist has more credibility than Cy Hersh.
And if he says he has proof, just as with MeL ai and Abu Garib, he has got it. He doesn't have to show his proof. He has proved himself time and again.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:10 PM
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24. Your statement contradicts itself
It's time Hersh coughed up the goods. There's no reason why someone who was right about A should be assumed to be right about B, and C, and D, and E.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 05:09 PM
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32. LOL!
How about taking a look in the mirror pal?

What proof have you offered here that Sy Hersch isn't telling the truth?

How many stories have you broke?

How many extremely powerful people have you pissed off because you had the courage to expose them?

I would venture that you are less believable than Sy Hersch.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:14 PM
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4. Pipe Down - You Can't Criticize the Party Around Here
Don't you know you'll be told to take a hike and whatnot and soforth?

Fall in line - it's the democratic way!
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:17 PM
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6. No...what you're describing is the republican way.
n/t
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:22 PM
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12. There must be a ton posting around here then.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:16 PM
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5. "The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda
is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda,"
Dennis Kucinich
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:19 PM
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9. Yeah but the DLC isn't the same as the Senate Intel or House Intel Committees..
it's the Democratic leadership of those committees that have gone along with this crazy shit.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 09:10 PM
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25. One needn't be a card carrying DLC member
to carry out the dictates of that subversive organization.
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T.Ruth2power Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:28 PM
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15. What's so controversial about this
It's a bi-partisan empire. Has been for decades. Let's be adults and admit to the fact that the Dems are complicit and deeply involved every step of the way. What's all the fuss?
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 06:08 AM
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26. *some* dems and nearly all republicans
The difference between the two parties on the things that matter most -- imperialism and corporatism -- is just a matter of probabilities.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:50 PM
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21. There are posts all over the place regarding discontent with
the congress. Yet, come November most of the incumbents will be reelected. And then this time next year there will be posts all over the place regarding discontent with congress. You buys your ticket, you takes your ride.

Elect new ones.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 07:56 PM
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22. I'm pretty sure they're one in the same.
:shrug:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 06:46 AM
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27. They're all in cahoots, thus . . . no impeachment hearings. nt
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 08:02 AM
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29. Preparing the Battlefield or Bush's Scorched Earth Farewell?
If Bush and Cheney can't play then they're gonna blow up the playground. End of mystery.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:12 PM
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31. I'm calling Boxer's office tomorrow and ask if it's true
that the Gang of Eight funded 400 million for Special Forces in Iran AFTER the NIE showed NADA.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 05:10 PM
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33. the difference between a republican imperialist & a democratic one is the dem gives me hope then fuc
ks me
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