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Knurled99 Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:27 AM
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What happened to CNN??
I've been at sea a lot the last couple of years and now that I'm back I can't believe what I am seeing on CNN's so-called Newshour. They are shamelessly trashing Barack Obama. It was totally comical to watch them air a quote of Wes Clarke saying (and I paraphrase) "being shot down in an airplane doesn't qualify you to be president". They had the gall to call that "swiftboating". Is this what CNN has come to or was it a fluke?

They were the one American MSM source that I could still watch without being sick.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:28 AM
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1. You were better off at sea.
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Knurled99 Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:30 AM
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5. Touche
I guess you're right... but it sure is nice to know that I won't be sleeping on a shelf anytime soon. I hope.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 02:39 AM
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17. Actually, i should give you a better answer than that.
If there was one event that started CNN on the road to becoming the pathetic mess it is now, it was the hiring of Walter Isaacson:

Published in the Monday, August 6, 2001 issue of Roll Call
Going Backwards
CNN Chief Courts GOP
by John Bresnahan and Mark Preston

In an effort to improve his network's image with conservative leaders, new CNN chief Walter Isaacson huddled with House and Senate GOP leaders last week to seek advice on how to attract more right-leaning viewers to the sagging network.

Isaacson met with Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.), House GOP Conference Chairman J.C. Watts (Okla.), Rep. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) and Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) to talk about CNN's image with conservatives and how it can be improved.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0805-04.htm
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:29 AM
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2. Notice that all the commercials they air are from big oil companies
eom
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 05:22 AM
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20. and there you have it -- advertising and marketing masquerading as 'News'
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 06:31 AM
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24. Dunno about "all" but there are a disturbing no. of energy company ads on MSNBC.
Whenever I see them I wonder how much Olbermann is pulling his punches as a result.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:29 AM
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3. It's typical. No change. They've been biased for years.
The international edition might be OK. Don't know but the US version is a shill for the powers
that be. They're just showing it more now that there's a campaign.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:30 AM
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4. serious?
they call THAT swiftboating? how rich! sounds like an opinion of a high level general saying that being shot down (or destroying one's own plane several times) doesn't mean you're qualified to be president...
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:34 AM
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6. Winning a Silver Star in Vietnam doesn't qualify you to be President
If the Swiftboaters had made that claim as their central point, I wouldn't have had a problem with it. They would have been right. But what they did instead was call Kerry a liar and claim that he never actually faced enemy fire, despite the testimonials of his own crew. They attacked his integrity and his character.
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Knurled99 Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:44 AM
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8. Exactly
which why I was so shocked at the commentary on CNN. It began with the anchor, in an outraged manner, telling how Wes Clarke had "swift-boated" McCain. Then they showed the clip and I was like "THAT'S IT!?!?" It was, to anyone with half a brain, one man's opinion that contained no accusations, lies or propaganda and that was delivered in a very civil manner. It was absolutely nowhere in the same UNIVERSE as the disgusting campaign of lies waged by the "Swift-Boat Veterans for Truth".
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:43 AM
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7. CNN has been that way for years
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:55 AM
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9. they're part of the corporate media n/t
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:58 AM
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11. Corporate News Network
Getting rid of cable news two years ago was the best thing I've ever did for my sanity.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:00 AM
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12. I quit watching it long ago too
it's just not worth getting angry over
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:56 AM
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10. try msnbc
:shrug:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 06:33 AM
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26. MSRNC has been on attack/swiftboat mode all morning
I am turning this shit off. Between the fracas in the lounge yesterday over the EuroCup, the negative news coverage in this country and an email war with my husband... :eyes:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:34 PM
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28. almost as if they are reading from the same script
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 02:01 PM
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33. "Smirk." - Karl 'Draft Dodger' Rove (R - Chickenhawk)
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:00 AM
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13. GLENN BECK is what happened to CNN "headline news"
Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 01:04 AM by quantessd
He signaled their downward spiral into the toilet.

Edit to add: I added the caps myself, because you might as well call "CNN-headline news" the GLENN BECK station, since they feature him, 3 hours of prime time, each week-night.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:14 AM
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14. It has been a slow decline since 2000, and frankly now they are no better than fox
In fact there is no such thing as investigative reporting in the MSM today, it is more like entertainment tonight

The only place on the idiot box where I get my news now is Bloomberg
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 02:07 AM
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15. Their overseas broadcasts are supposed to be much better than the crap we get in the US...
Welcome back. Things are not good at home.

Hekate
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singilarpoint Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 02:33 AM
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16. EXAMPLE
I just came from their site. They were flashing a phony poll showing Obama and McCain just about tied. ( Like any sane person could believe that!!!!) They also have a headline reading.
McCain: Obama's word can't be trusted. They are doing their best to shape the public's perception. As soon as all of the media, not just CNN, started to present McCain as a legitimate, and viable candidate, I knew we were all in a lot of trouble!!!! WE ARE ALL IN A LOT OF TROUBLE!!!
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 05:08 AM
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18. CNN used to be a reliable source
for relatively unbiased news. and CNN Headline news used to be a useful 30 minute round-up of what was happening in the nation and abroad, plus some sports and weather. I'm, not certain exactly when that changed, but it pains me enormously that I can no longer tune into either CNN or CNN headline news to get a quick look at what's happening.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 06:32 AM
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25. Ted Turner's departure from management signalled the end
I had a lot of issues with Turner, but if nothing else he was determined to keep CNN as independent and unbiased as was practical for a commercial network.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 12:23 AM
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34. That's right.
I'd forgotten somehow that it was Ted Turner's departure that changed things so much.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 05:21 AM
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19. I loved how they tried to make Obama's last reference to race into a big gaffe
They looked stupid trying to give legs to a political story that couldn't walk to save itself. :rofl:
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 05:33 AM
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21. They have not missed an opportunity to bash Obama,
even when they had to really stretch to do it.
You are correct in there isno other news source left that is not right wing.
Oddly, the right always complains the TV media is left wing.

mark
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 05:36 AM
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22. There is no American source for news.
except Democracy Now.
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riona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 06:28 AM
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23. They're the main branch of the Dept. of Dumbing America
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 07:47 AM
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27. Ted sold it. That's what happened.
That was longer than 3 years ago though. He did apologize.

-Hoot
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 12:50 PM
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29. MSNBC this morning is doing their share of editorializing about what Clark said
Andrea Mitchell says that Clark "attacked" McCain's military record. The lady on before her who reads the news said Clark "distorted" McCain's record. These are not journalists, but infotainers who just want to stir up crap without reference to facts.
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:00 PM
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30. Why Were Government Propaganda Experts Working On News At CNN?
FAIR: Why Were Government Propaganda Experts Working On News At CNN?

FAIR: The Return of PSYOPS

Losing it: CNN's Kyra Philips parts with her dignity
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:02 PM
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31. AOL Time-Warner. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 01:02 PM
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32. There is no real newscasting down anymore on television
Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 01:03 PM by sfexpat2000
unless you're looking for weather reports. :(

Eta: And unless you're watching an indy station like LinkTv or Free Speech TV or Bill Moyers. Credit where it's due.
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