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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 01:44 PM
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"Like a Third World Country"
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"Like a Third World Country"
By Rick Perlstein

July 10th, 2008 - 11:07am ET


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Don't just listen to what me and Sara have to say about the infrastructure crisis. Here's a Tocqueville from Britain:

To my American readers: please do not get too angry with me when I say this, but the rapidity of the deterioration of your country's infra structures often reminds me of an extensive tour of the Soviet Union I undertook in 1986 - when I saw for myself, in places such as industrial Ukraine and Siberia and St Petersburg, that the Soviet Union had already had its day. For just as Bill and I were having our grim conversation early that Friday morning - and unknown to either of us at the time - the heart of the capital of the most powerful nation on earth, less than a mile from where we stood, had been plunged into the kind of chaos one might envisage in, say, New Delhi on a very, very bad day.

Because of the temperature, an underground train had earlier derailed as a result of what was described as a "heat-buckle" on the tracks. Two separate fires on the subway system were then triggered that morning by faulty "stud bolts". Terrified, sweaty commuters sprinted up stationary escalators while, from above, all they could hear was ambulance, police and fire sirens zigzagging frantically around them.

In the meantime, a switch in an electrical sub-station sizzled out, cutting power throughout central Washington - including, yes, the White House. "It was like each man for himself . . . like a third world country," next day's Washington Post quoted 34-year-old David Zaidain, "a city planner who was stunned by the level of anarchy he encountered while walking to work", as saying. Pedestrians were struck by cars at junctions where traffic lights were not working (although, miraculously, nobody was killed).

That one fused switch alone left 12,000 customers - which, in power company terminology, can mean one family house or a block of offices with thousands of workers - without power, the very prospect of which sent wealthy Washingtonians scurrying to book cool rooms or suites at the Four Seasons.



http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/third-world-country



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exothermic Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 01:47 PM
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1. 12000 without power is nothing...we have more several times a year
here in Far North Texas from ice...and from heat.
:shrug:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 01:52 PM
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3. but not from crumbling infrastructure,
which is the point.
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exothermic Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 01:57 PM
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4. Maybe not exactly "crumbling" but the same result from poor maintenance.
Trees aren't cut from power lines...they freeze or blow into the lines and knock them (and poles) down. One part of the very same problem.
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 01:51 PM
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2. It's sad but true
When I travelled back and forth from the U.S. and Europe 20-30 years ago the difference was that America was cleaner, more advanced, and Europe seemed more stagnant, old, etc. Now it's the opposite. going to Europe now is like visiting the future, and coming back to America, where once would relieve me, now just depresses me.

Our infrastructure, from electric to water to roads and rails is completely falling apart and so far behind the rest of the world now that we've become a joke.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:20 PM
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6. But, wait....we've spent untold trillions on useless weapons,
ships, airplanes, etc., to "keep the world safe." Surely that counts for something. After all, Ronald Reagan (singlehandedly)won the cold war and G.H.W. Bush liberated Panama from the insane dictator Noriega. Arent those things worth a few potholes and crumbling bridges? :sarcasm:
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:29 PM
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8. Imagine what our country would be like
If we didn't have so many conservative nimrods.

Our military expenditures are destroying our nation, not just the Iraq War expenditures, but the overall ones. Our country is literally falling apart, and even our own party is too cowardly to stand up and say we spend too much on defense and actually have the fucking balls to defend that statement.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:18 PM
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5. What was that about drowning the government in a bathtub? This is the result...
In a functioning society essential functions of government -- like infrastructure -- are supported by taxes. Thanks to Grover Norquist, New Gingrich, and those who think as they do and those who kowtowed to them, this is the result.

Hekate

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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:25 PM
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7. No standing still
There's no such thing as standing still when the arrow of time is moving. It's either up or down, build or decay, strive for improvement or resign oneself to what fate has in store. I have traveled much in Europe (including the Ukraine) and the U.S. this year and what I see in the United States has me shaking my head.

Several states (AZ, NM, OK) are throwing away perfectly good interstate highways! Driving along, I would see miles of concrete, scabbled down to the roadbed, with twisted masses of rebar piled up to go to the recycler. Now remember, concrete takes 30 years or more to reach its ultimate strength, so these roads were quite capable of handling the load, or if need be, patched to last many more years. Roads and highways are not things that have a short lifespan and quickly fall into disrepair. Some roads in Italy were originally laid by the Romans centuries ago, and succeeding generations may have widened and improved them, but they did not rip them down to the roadbed to do so. All I can conclude is that there is graft that needs to be spread, that highway contractors need to be doing something to bill the state for, so they come up with the bright idea of throwing away a highway so another can be built.

As for the state of the US and the USSR, it is difficult to tell the difference in some places. Towns that have seen better days in Texas, with a derelict warehouse next to some abandoned tracks and an abandoned factory, and people trying to eke out a living. Looks a lot like some of the towns in the Ukraine with derelict warehouses and abandoned factories and a train station that hasn't had any maintenance since 1991, and people trying to eke out a living. Except in the Ukraine, everyone has a vegetable garden, so they are a little more self-sufficient (mostly because they can't afford to buy nicely packaged stuff from global corporations, so they make do).

Republicans have sold the country lock, stock and barrel. I include that quasi-Republican Bill Clinton in the charge, for he gladly pushed through NAFTA for his corporate sponsors, and they exported all the jobs that they could to places with cheaper labor. But the jobs are not coming back. With the US pitted against the Ukraine, which country is going to get the investment capital, the one where the average price of a house is >$200,000, or the one where the average worker makes $200 per month?

America still has a LONG way to fall. At least in the Ukraine, they may not have much, and because of it, they can't fall too much further.
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