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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:37 PM
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Report: Bush Officials Not Happy About Possible Obama Speech At Brandenburg Gate
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Report: Bush Officials Not Happy About Possible Obama Speech At Brandenburg Gate
By Greg Sargent - July 10, 2008, 3:48PM


There's been an interesting twist in the ongoing behind-the-scenes discussions over whether Barack Obama will deliver a speech on July 24th at Berlin's historically-charged Brandenburg Gate.

A new report in the German press says that Bush administration officials are unhappy with the idea and privately said as much to representatives of Chancellor Angela Merkel.

The whole thing started when Der Spiegel reported the other day that Obama would be visiting Berlin on July 24th, stirring speculation that he wanted to speak before the Gate, a place that's associated with JFK and Ronald Reagan, symbolizes the end of the Cold War, and would give Obama's speech a great deal of historical resonance.

The Obama campaign has been tight-lipped about his plans, saying that he has "considered several sites for a possible speech." Meanwhile, Merkel has reacted with coolness to the idea.

Now Der Spiegel has added a new twist to the tale.

From the mag...

The respected Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper reported this week that a member of the Bush delegation approached Merkel's foreign policy advisor, Christoph Heusgen, at the G-8 summit in Japan to discuss misgivings about Obama's planned speech. The government is also acting out of respect for Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who has long enjoyed strong ties to Germany and good personal relationships with a number of high-level government officials in Berlin.


The report is unconfirmed, and the paper cited here doesn't have an English translation, but Der Spiegel describes it as "respected." If Bush officials are privately trying to nix a speech that would give Obama a major boost it's an interesting development and raises more questions, such as whether the administration is possibly letting efforts to help McCain intrude on back-channel diplomacy in other areas.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:46 PM
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1. Does Bush still have enough clout to influence Germany?
I would be very pleased if Germany invites Obama to speak.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 05:08 PM
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2. I guess we'll find out soon; I hope not. nt
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 05:26 PM
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9. He could always threaten Merkel with another "shock and awe" backrub!
After that little bit of unexpected groping, I would think she'd JUMP at the chance to put the Fratboy-in-Chief in his place.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 01:23 AM
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37. i doubt it. They all think he's an Arschloch. A Schimpanse, even.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 05:09 PM
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3. Why would Germany favor a Bush request over the incoming president's?
That's just strange.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 05:13 PM
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6. According to this, Obama already has permission to speak there.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 05:16 PM
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7. Maybe she's just trying to make nice with little Bush until he's gone.
You never know when he's going to wake up and decide to bomb somebody.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 12:16 AM
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31. Fuck her
She's a stupid conservative twit anyways.

The majority of Germans love Obama and would be thrilled wherever he spoke. He's gonna get bigger crowds than that other old fuck Reagan...and this old fuck may get a few homeless people and a bunch of protesters and hecklers.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:18 PM
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15. WHY is Obama giving a speech in Deutschland anyway?
:shrug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:25 PM
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18. He needs foreign affairs cred, I guess.
It's a little silly since interacting with people requires the same skill set no matter where you go. lol
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:36 PM
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21. What other presidential candidate
sought out venues in Europe? I searched JK04 and found nothing. AG00 and found nothing. The first question I fielded from one of my ESL students today was, "Why is he speaking here? WE don't vote for him."
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:58 PM
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26. Is Columbia better?
I think another poster was correct; he's introducing himself, in Europe and Iraq. The difference is Kerry had been around awhile, people knew him. And times are different now. The entire world is fed up with the dim one.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 12:07 AM
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30. Tell your students for me
that it would probably be very beneficial for the rest of the world to see him and learn who he is now, because he's going to have to depend on a good bit of goodwill from the rest of the world to help sort out the mess here at home. The rest of the world needs to know that he's far-flung from Bush and his maladministration, and maybe some nations will see this and want to help.

At least one speech overseas during the campaign is clearly necessary.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 05:12 PM
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4. Of course the country that gave the world Nazi's would be friendly with Bush and the Republicans.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:13 PM
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13. That is a completely over the top remark
wielding a brush that broad makes you look as bad as those you criticize.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 12:05 AM
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29. It was Merkel that first called Bush "Hitler." You would think she would want to distance Germany
from our Hitlers party. Better yet we should follow Germany's lead. Outlaw the republican party and any display of their symbols. I just don't understand the back peddeling. If Bush is Hitler part II. Then McCain is Hitler part III.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 08:00 PM
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27. Dumb comment. Looked in the mirror lately?
There's a new leader in the fascist world, and it ain't Germany.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 12:18 AM
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32. It's us. Bush has suceeded where Hitler failed. I can't understand why Merkel would give a cold
shoulder to Obama or the democrats. Especially when it was her that branded Bush with "Hitler." She was right. You would think that she would want to bend over backwards to help the Democrats defeat our Hitler's party. Who are just promoting change as more of the same. Look it's a different guy doing the same things. That's change as far as the conservatives are concerned. But then again Bush is a vendictive son of a bitch from the get go. Maybe she's afraid Bush would nuke Germany if they got too cozy with Obama. Who knows. But this will interesting to watch as it devolpes.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 05:12 PM
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5. 'bu$h* officials' that's all the republicans and democrats in office, right?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 05:18 PM
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8. "...John McCain, who has long enjoyed strong ties to Germany ..."
Well, maybe he was just old enough to join Hitler Youth.

I hope when Merkel makes her decision she remembers that attempted backrub our Idiot in Chief tried to give her.
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ProgressiveFool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 05:30 PM
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10. from what I've heard it's not Merkel's decision, but rather the mayor of Berlin's to make
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 05:50 PM
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11. I was thinking about that, but hoping she might have some influence. nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:09 PM
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12. Per this, Merkel is skeptical:
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:17 PM
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14. I don't think it's particularly appropriate for Obama to do this now.
After he is elected, if he likes - then he would be "following in the footsteps" of Reagan and Kennedy, who were both duly elected Presidents.

Obama is the presumptive nominee of the Democratic party. He hasn't been elected yet and he doesn't speak for the United States in any official capacity (beyond his role as a senator) until he is elected.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:24 PM
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16. I think the photo ops and enthusiasm would be great to see myself.
Beats the hell out of going to Columbia. And the world is curious. I don't see how this could be detrimental.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 12:18 AM
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34. Didn't say it would be detrimental.
I said I didn't think it was appropriate.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:43 PM
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23. Well if that's the case why wasn't there an uproar for McCain
going to a North American country - was it Columbia? Ironic McCain new about the 5 month rescue operation before it happened....

This is the * admin trying to poisen the world against Obama...
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 12:18 AM
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33. I wasn't discussing McCain or the media's representations.
I was simply stating my opinion of this situation. Full stop.
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 12:37 AM
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35. Yes but much of the world is rooting for Obama also.
With any other politician doing this I would say, he has a bad habit of comming out of the starting gate too soon. But that really seems to work for Obama. As they say, If it ain't broke you don't fix it. Besides rallying international support will over come that inexperience crap and build up his diplomatic credibility.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:24 PM
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17. July 24th - August 24th that's about perfect timing...
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:27 PM
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19. "John McCain, who has long enjoyed strong ties to Germany and good personal relationships with a
number of high-level government officials in Berlin."

Well, can you get more right-wing than that?

Sich Heil!
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:28 PM
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20. They didn't have a problem when McCain went to Colombia.
Funny that.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:20 PM
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22. Zing! Thanks for that little reminder. nt
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:58 PM
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24. Bush being a big baby. I love this shit.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:58 PM
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25. Obama is wildly popular in Germany, and it will make the GOP look bad.
So of course, the WH will try to sabotage this.
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 11:47 PM
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28. He was probably trying to bribe her with shoulder massages at G8.
If Bush knows anything, he knows that women just LUUUUUV a shoulder massage. Heh heh heh heh! Heh heh heh heh!

(Oh, lord, that was sarcasm but the concept made me puke a little in the back of my throat.)
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 12:59 AM
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36. I Think The Sports Stadium Would Be A Better Site
That's the place where Jesse Owens embarassed Hitler in 1936 then made a triumphant return and did a victory lap in the 50's. The place holds more than the Brandenburg Gate would...plus what's the use of doing a speech in front of a wall that isn't there anymore?
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 04:55 AM
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38. you had to know the Condi & * were behind Merkel's reluctance
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