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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:47 AM
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A privatized world out of control?
Some food for thought:



Elaine Bernard: "With deregulation, privatisation, free trade, what we're seeing is yet another enclosure and, if you like, private taking of the commons. One of the things I find very interesting in our current debates is this concept of who creates wealth. That wealth is only created when it's owned privately. What would you call clean water, fresh air, a safe environment? Are they not a form of wealth? And why does it only become wealth when some entity puts a fence around it and declares it private property? Well, you know, that's not wealth creation. That's wealth usurpation."


Noam Chomsky: "Privatisation does not mean you take a public institution and give it to some nice person. It means you take a public institution and give it to an unaccountable tyranny. Public institutions have many side benefits. For one thing they may purposely run at a loss. They're not out for profit. They may purposely run at a loss because of the side benefits. So, for example if a public steel industry runs at a loss it's providing cheap steel to other industries. Maybe that's a good thing. Public institutions can have a counter cyclic property. So that means that they can maintain employment in periods of recession, which increases demand, which helps you to get out of recession. Private companies can't do that in a recession. Throw out the work force because that's the way you make money."


Maude Barlow: "There are those who intend that one day everything will be owned by somebody and we're not just talking goods here. We're talking human rights, human services, essential services for life. Education, public health, social assistance, pensions, housing. We're also talking about the survival of the planet. The areas that we believe must be maintained in the commons or under common control or we will collectively die."


The quotes are from the film "The Corporation," BTW.


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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:51 AM
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1. And this is what they wanted to do with Social Security
We would see the same fate as Freddie Mac, Fanny Mae and Indy Mac.

Just what the neocons wanted, total collapse.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:26 AM
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7. They want to rob it blind then collapse it
Strip it bare, split up the money, then collapse it.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:56 PM
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13. No,

Strip it bare, split up the money, collapse it Then Buy it at pennies on the dollar and OWN it.

Naomi Klein Shock Doctrine,read it.It applies..
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:55 AM
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2. thanks for posting. I just added The Corporation to my Blocbuster queue.
Hmmm... seems kind of odd to have the name of a corporation in my subject line in response to this!

oh well...
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:58 AM
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3. I'm totally against more privatization
The best examples are roads and utilities. Utility rates are some of the cheapest in the country in Nebraska because they are public owned. This would impossible if they were run privately for profit because of the sparseness of population in some parts of the state. Actually, many might have to do without because it can't be profitable to run lines all the way into the Sandhills for just a few families. Many here don't understand how privatizing roads would affect them, but I have lived in a place where there were alot of toll roads. You might not have to pay wheel tax, but you have to throw 5 quarters in a bucket every two miles, which is damned annoying and rather expensive after a while. Not to mention, you are probably funding Communist Chinese or terrorists from Dubai who now own a good deal of our country. I'll pass on that!
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:01 AM
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4. If present trends continue, you will end up paying for air to breathe
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 11:15 AM by kenny blankenship
some people will be able to contract & pay over long terms, with credit extended if they qualify, some only for terms perhaps as short a day. The reason is that pollution will eventually create a natural "artificial scarcity". What was once not scarce at all, and never metered or paid for under any scheme neither by volume nor time, will through the exertions of capitalism, have become a precious commodity--and not just a commodity either but a branded product. There will still be natural air to breathe but you'd be mad to go out in it. The public or commons will be tainted, only the private source will be safe. Everyone who doesn't want to die early of lung cancer will purchase the good stuff from the future incarnations of Enron. This is the model of the perfect business.


Artist's concept from early proposal for domed cities, mid 1960s
Although fenced in, this would presumably still be "public air", the responsibility of a municipally chartered utility corporation.


interior photograph of The Mall of America, Bloomington, Minnesota.
This is already not public air.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:15 AM
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5. That's eerie......
:scared:

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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:54 PM
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12. The air thing? It has already begun
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 01:00 PM by undergroundpanther
Canned air for SALE.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/canned-freshness/air+con-in-a-can-helps-you-keep-your-cool-257010.php
An OXYGEN bar???
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/lifestyle/oxbar.shtml
Ever wonder WHY Bush is being so lenient on polluters? There's Air out there to sell to the people and they'll buy it, they will have no choice to..The air market will be like big tobacco without the messy addiction aspects to make the company liable to be sued.

Already the pigs got people CON vinced of tap water isn't drinkable,or safe. So people buy bottled water that costs more than GAS? And, it is TAP water in a Bottle they are buying you know?!!WTF? Are people REALLY that Stupid?

yes.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:28 PM
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19. In England and France, the Kings claimed ownership of daylight itself
and the kingdoms imposed a window tax on their subjects.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:24 AM
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6. Reminds me of the novel Jennifer Government.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:58 PM
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14. Or the RoboCop series of movies...
Corporate ownership of government.

:shrug:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:27 AM
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8. Is The Corporation on DVD?
Great quotes.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:36 AM
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9. yes, and if I remember correctly it's also a free download
google: The Corporation download
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:22 PM
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10. Thanks n/t
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:58 PM
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15. Indeed....There's a deluxe 2-disc set with lots of extended interviews....
.... that's well worth the extra $5.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 06:08 PM
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20. I'll purchase a copy -thanks n/t
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:20 PM
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18. freedocumentaries.com
lots of excellent free docs.
Including the Corporation.

My favorite?
Zietgeist....you'll never see the world the same way again.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:49 PM
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11. If McCain claims he can have tax cuts, war, and a balanced budget
(i.e. his economic plan) supposedly it can only be done by cutting social security and medicare by 50%. At least, that's what they were saying this morning on CNN.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:59 PM
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16. Ding Ding Ding...**We have a winner**
and the frog continues to simmer....
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:05 PM
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17. This is one reason
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 01:10 PM by undergroundpanther
I am not pro copyright.I do not want to live in a world of owners where even what I create, might be owned already by someone else.
Fuck thought ownership.No one owns creativity or thought or has a "right" to once it is expressed.And they shouldn't own it.People should not privatize air or water or food Society and the earth creates all things,and they belong to ALL of us.
Not one who puts a fence around it,bottles it,or puts a price tag on it.When did existence become a pay as you go business?

I don't want to navigate a billion lawsuits every time I create anything for fear someone else might OWN it already.I don't want to buy air if I want to BREATHE,I don't want to buy water every time I get thirsty.I don't want to have to dance around every patch of owned land to lay my head down on the ground.Fuck that shit. That way of life isn't freedom people it is a condition of being OWNED in an OWNED world.
I do not want the ownership society.I do not want to be owned or own anyone else or own air or own thought.Ownership is over rated and it's a lie.A BIG FAT MARKETABLE LIE.That makes us all prisoners.
We don't even own the bodies we inhabit dammit.LET IT GO.
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appal_jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:23 AM
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21. k&r n/t
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