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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:58 AM
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North Pole news


http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index.php?smp=&lang=eng


Area: North Pole, , Spitsbergen islands area,

Description:

Twenty Russian scientists are to be evacuated from their camp on a drifting ice-floe in the Arctic after it started disintegrating sooner than expected. The Russians had set up research station "North Pole 35" on the floe last September when it measured a safe five kilometres long and three kilometres wide, and their original plan was to stay on it until this September. But after enduring the permanent night of the Arctic winter and surviving the threat of polar bears, the scientists now find that their temporary home has shrunk to just 600m by 300m and faces complete break-up as it drifts towards a current known to contain relatively warm waters. An icebreaker and another vessel are on their way to the scene, about 30-40km from the Spitsbergen islands, to begin the evacuation in the next few days and return the scientists to the Russian Arctic port of Murmansk. The expedition's organisers, Russia's Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute based in St Petersburg, told the BBC that the scientists were safe and well, and that they had completed their studies.

This evacuation comes as Canadian researchers report that the melting of the Arctic ice this year started at least four weeks ahead of the long-term average. Separate teams of scientists in Canada and the US have forecast that this year's seasonal melt of Arctic sea-ice may well reach or exceed last year's record thaw in which the ice retreated to an extent not predicted for several decades. Russian researchers have a long history of setting up camps on drifting ice-floes, the first being undertaken in 1937. When this latest expedition was launched last year at the time of the record melt, it took the team three weeks to find a suitable piece of ice on which to establish a base. According to Professor Peter Wadhams of Cambridge University, a veteran of Arctic research, the Russians usually prefer to set up their camps on ice at least three metres thick but the thaw was so extensive that they had to settle for a floe that was only around 1.5m thick. He said that given the floe's thin ice and the fact that it is approaching the East Spitsbergen Current, which is known to be warmer than surrounding waters, the Russians "have got to get off pretty fast - that current would be very dangerous for them".

Damage level: Heavy (Level 3)
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faster and faster
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:04 AM
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1. Hmmm. If they turned off their portable furnace, would that have helped?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:08 AM
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2. And Santa, Rudolph and Mrs. Claus and the elves?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:28 AM
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9. I agree, THEY are to blame!
All that kinky hot action in the bedroom must've turned up the heat somethin' awful...
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:41 AM
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15. I knew I shouldn't have left out chili for Santa last year...
I figured he was tired of cookies. Fudgesickles this year!

-Hoot
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:17 AM
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3. I have to ask this
instead of doing the responsible online research myself.

If the caps' ice and a mechanism theorized likely to affect Greenland's ice sheet are in much faster mode
than scientific opinion once held, are the prospects for a long warming spell running into the possible quick boomerang of an Ice Age? We have had eras of the ocean current conveyor belt shutting down without such a massive sudden meltdown. Would this not bring on a fast ultra severe global ice age?

The human factor then comes in by sustaining the CO2 levels though in a cure that reminds me of the current economical moves that can't work, with remedies for inflation and recession unable to solve each other's problems. Horrible analogy except that it showcases the stupidity of human cleverness.

I stand by by original assumption that by its overall nature(as with corporate "news" media) most science
errs conservatively, optimistically in a bias away from large disaster conclusions. That added to the uniqueness of the times and the newness of the science lends to a plausible or real surprise on the part of dedicated scientists when reality trumps the community.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:19 AM
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4. you could wish - but prepare anyway
nt
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:25 AM
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6. I live in an old glacial area
otherwise ideal for survival. A blog at New Scientists on a "comforting" article about Greenland's ice sheet merely intensifies my question. The bloggers btw are insane, also dissing scientists for "inaccuracies" in the same way they likely think of the MSM as liberal- namely a threat for telling the truth even when the facts are "watered" down.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:26 AM
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8. It is a possibility we could go into another ice age
Hope for teh global warming. :o
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:50 AM
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12. Update
Apparently, and on the surface of googling with difficulty for most people in probing the issue, the Ocean Conveyor is not monitored well, has only a couple tell tales in the North Atlantic and is not a "hot" issue in the climate change forums. It is assumed we will get fair warning, but surprises and lack of data don't seem all that comforting. Even a mini Ice Age would be devastating to the swollen population of Terra. The economic devastation of the global meltdown leading up to it would be the set up punch. We could get the worst of both in geologically short order.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:24 AM
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13. I've posted an article that said the Gulf Stream had slowed 60%


this was a yr ago? so somebody must be looking at it.

whichever way it goes it will be BAD, quickly bad.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:30 AM
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14. Generally they
are looking and theorizing and watching. At the top level it is ignored in the news. At the lower levels I think they said it suffers likewise in funding and mechanisms needed to study its activity. In any event this will likely be a "surprise" more noticeable in its effects rather than the cause since global warming steals the show.

The unpleasant surprises seem to be routinely mounting to the unending snide chorus of corporate sophists. A lot of scientific websites seem to offer good news data and comforting timelines as another way to tone down the surprises.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:25 AM
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5. .
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:26 AM
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7. I look in on this map every day - how did you get the description? Is
there a place on the map to get added info? Also does any one know if these string of earthquakes are normal or is the plate moving more lately?
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:07 PM
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10. scroll down to the different events
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 12:08 PM by ensho
click on the one you want and then scroll down to the story you want and click

plus I get descriptive daily email updates

you could too
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:10 PM
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11. I played around with it a bit and found the way. Thank you.
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