Anybody who tells you this election is going to be close is totally full of it.

Look at it this way:

The MSM are desperate to tell you that it's close, within 5 points.

What they fail to mention is this:

The GOP turned out 21 million in the primaries.

The Democrats turned out 38 million.

That's it. That's the election, right there.

Anybody who tells you this is going to be close is interested in preserving the status quo, and nothing more.

I don't think that tells us much of anything, beyond the fact that the Republicans had their race sewn up early, and the Democrats had a tight battle to the end.

remarkably record setting in a number of ways that bode well for the Dems.

So, we haven't won yet, but it looks pretty good.

but I wouldn't use that one statistic as evidence of much of anything.

that's all they need, besides plausible spin, which they're putting in place now.

That's gonna be the excuse.

They don't have nearly the money they did, what with DeLay, Cunningham, and Abramoff out of play.

All things considered this should be a slam dunk for the Dems. However, the Repukes have so much to lose and are desperate to retain power, I don't put anything past them. I won't relax until it's over and Obama has won. Even then, we have to be vigilant and watch what's going on in the shadows, and clean up the mess.

a walk down memory lane...

It's the Tabulators, Stupid! The theft of the 2004 Election, a short retrospective

by Kip Humphrey

comparisons of party registrations, new registrations, etc. etc. etc. etc.

None of it meant anything, and anybody who called attention to the obvious became immediately a conspiracy theorist.

We are *not* going to cakewalk into the White House with Obama.

Too many people still get all of their news from the MSM, and they're being continually conditioned to expect a close race.

So when that miraculous number flip happens in the middle of that Tuesday night, and all those people wake up to a President-elect McCain, they're gonna accept it without question because "it was a close race all along, wasn't it?"

And we will be, once again, the whining conspiracy theorists and sore losers when we question it.

We can't be complacent.

or give up vigilance. November is a LONG way off and much can happen. Also remember Truman/Dewey. Anything can happen.

Are they full of it, too?

and by huge margins, I think. The election comes down to the electoral college, so it doesn't matter if there were technically more democrats voting in the primaries than republicans, it's all about where those votes are taking place at.

Let's face it we're not the only ones thinking that he's a lameass.

Three letters..J-E-B. The Bush who should have been King..uh..President.

Fresh. Tanned. Unvetted. Ready. And best of all CONSERVATIVE!!!

:evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin::evilgrin:

Any candidate named Bush would be radioactive right now. And that's probably going to be true for decades.

October surprise.

All they need do is tie up a state with a large number of electoral college delegates in court and then take it to their puppets on the supreme court. The dancing supremes always do the jig for their masters.

When, if, it goes to the Supremes then the only way We the People will get our voice heard is to march on Washington and stay there until Congress acts.

Except the figures I got were that at the end of the Republican primary, 17 million voted for repubs and 38 million voted for Dems. That was at the end of the repub primary and did not include addtional follow on Dem voters.

One thing you NEVER heard on the 'news' reports on the MSM was the total number of voters. They were very careful not to show the disparity between the volume of voters. That is part of their MO. To steal an election, it has to appear to be close. Like in 2000 and 2004. That's the only way they can say they won. If the ratio of Dem voters to repbus os 3:1, then Rove et al can't play their little game.

The repubs pay millions and millions of dollars a year to polling organizations. They expect the right result when they spend that money. And the money they use is run through the Republican Governors Association, a supposed 527 where there are no restrictions on the amount of contributions. You can see all the under-the-table payments they make and all the companies and individuals that donate to the Repub party through this backdoor organization here:

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/527/republican_governors_association.asp

There is one problem, tho....it takes about 5 minutes to bring this link up. Gee, I wonder why? The contributors are a who's who of who is responsible for destroying America and the expenditures show how the republican mafia spend their money. Why would the Republican Governors Association be paying for Rove's transportation to swanky hotels? The Republican Governors Association is the key to it all. It is interesting reading when you can finally get on.

You can't sensibly compare turn-out between primaries and generals.

3/4 of this country hate the bush mafia. Good try tho.

They are going to be routed.

Closeted racists.

They may be 'closeted' but they are not secretive. if they are racists, closted or not, they have already cast their vote in the primary. 17 million vs. 38 million. And that was just up until the repubs ended their primary.

IT IS NOT CLOSE. Those who get paid by the bush mafia would want you to think that. IT IS NOT CLOSE. There is an overwhelming number of people in this country who are mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore.

That 'It will be close" propaganda would work if the country was only marginally screwed up. It is screwed up every way it can be screwed up. So you guys saying it will be close....don't even try.

p.s. as i am writing this, Rasmussen poll has mccain-ain't-able and Obama neck and neck at 43%. Research Rasmussen and see who pays them.

There are a lot more "Democrats" who are closeted racists than you might imagine.

"We cannot enter into alliances until we are acquainted with the designs of our neighbors." - Sun Tzu

Age and race does not automatically make you a racial bigot. Only YOU can make you a racial bigot.

I said people *assume* I'm a racial bigot, like them.

Never said I'm a racial bigot.

it'll be stolen, frankly. It will be stolen and nobody will do a thing about it.

I wish I was wrong.

But if it is common knowledge that 3/4 of this country wants change, they will have a hard time convincing the citizens that mccain won fairly. Then, there WOULD be insurrection.

:spray: Then, there WOULD be insurrection. :rofl: Sure thing. Just like in the 2000 sElection and in 2004, both stolen elections and NO ONE did anything about either and the citizenry accepted the results with little opposition. I wouldn't expect anything different this time around, either.

The veil of ignorance has been lifted and the citizens of this country are VERY well aware of what is happening. We had to go through a process similar to the stages of grief and we are now aware of the truth. And yes, there will be an uprising if McCain wins. And if there is none, then we deserve what we get.

If bush attacks Iran, he must understand that he will be delivering the final blow to America and the destruction will be complete. We can call for a national strike to protest his intentions, but without adequate leadership this won't happen. Ergo, without leadership, we are rudderless and utterly powerless to stop him. And he knows it.

in your wildest wet dreams...
:eyes:

There is a breaking point. We haven't yet reached it obviously. In your wildest wet dreams, don't think it won't come.

Thanks to the hard work of a small group of people, It should be a lot harder to steal this election than it was the last and the one before that. The pitfalls an inaccuracies of electronic voting have been exposed, and more voters are aware... Even so, be prepared I'm sure they will try... What will you do if they do? Hmmmmmmmm

Voter disenfranchisement

The "conventional wisdom" was that this candidate had it tied up.
Some supporters, fairly or not, were even accused of being cocky and overconfident. Having been around a long time, I wasn't.

My candidate did not win. Live and learn.

Meanwhile, the Democrats seem to be in a very good position as of now.

the democrats had a remarkably intense media focus on the entire neck-and-neck race for a LONG period of time. close races always bring out more voters.

republicans had a yawner, and after some brief shifting early on, mccain emerged as a very clear front-runner, and had it all sewn up fairly early. that always depresses the vote count.


that said, obama does indeed have an excellent chance at a clear victory, if not an actual landslide, IF we keep up the good news and the enthusiasm and the hard work.

There's no way a washed out, milquetoast, "I manage of offend everybody" McCain is going to come in close against a young, fresh, dynamic, intelligent man who represents a change from eight years of misery. So many Republicans don't like McCain and plan on just staying home on election day. I'm a phonebanker for two different campaigns and one other health voting group and I hear these things all the time.

- as I don't think the primaries are any indication of what will occur in the general.

How many Hillary supporters will vote McCain or not vote at all?
How many GOP'ers didn't bother to vote in the primary because McCain was already the presumed nominee?
How many GOP'ers crossed over in the primary and voted Hillary or Obama just to screw with our process?

The primary and the general are two different animals. Don't make the mistake of thinking that one is a reflection of the other.

of voting for McCain, and if the majority is that stupid, then by GOD we deserve what we get.

McCain is a much stronger candidate then bush ever was. It is going to be close.

So it's not as easy as looking at the primary votes.

And then there's the cheating that takes place by GOP.

It ain't over til it's over, although I do think Obama will win 300 plus electoral votes.

it's hardly a guarantee. The disparity in primary votes was impressive (and existed even before the GOP nomination was sewn up for McCain), but it's hardly conclusive. A landslide is certainly possible, but will require a lot of work.

Even back in Iowa, Obama, by himself, attracted more voters than all of the Republican candidates combined. If Democrats remain enthusiastic, they will slaughter Republicans in November, overwhelming any attempt for Rovian fraud.

From yesterday's Sentinel: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/orl-voters1208jul12,0,466937.story

Dems have been outnumbering rethugs in Florida voter registrations seven to one in the past six months.

The rethuglican party is on its way to history's dust heap thanks to BushCo. And I'm glad to see it. :applause:


(Got the link to the article from this DU post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=145x10400 )

A little ooordination will reinforce what we already know, but numbers to back it up will show the bastards we ain't buying their multi-million dollar propaganda ploy.

Anyone want to post the breakdown for their state?

and will not show up in November. It is one thing for a pollster to call someone up to ask whom they will vote for, and another to get that same person to the polling place on election day.

and intimidating as possible...we need to warn this country that if the current powers that be fuck up another election that we will take to the streets and that there will be no business as usual until it's corrected. The one lesson Vietnam taught me was that in order for things to change it takes upper middle class lives and property being at risk to do it!!!

Much of the "upper middle class" thinks it's doing just fine.
:shrug:

They are trying to create the idea that McCain has a chance so when they steal it no one will be surprised. It is all to empower the 20% that might vote for him in telling the rest of us to shut up when they steal it.

Nope!!!!