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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:14 PM
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State funeral (first since Churchill) planned for Lady Thatcher
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jul/14/past.margaretthatcher

State funeral planned for Lady Thatcher
Michael White
The Guardian, Monday July 14, 2008

Lady Thatcher is expected to be granted the rare honour of a state funeral when she dies.

The first since Sir Winston Churchill's in 1965, the funeral would acknowledge the exceptional impact of her 11-year premiership in reversing the decline in Britain's postwar fortunes.

As such, it would be certain to prove controversial among the many people who lost their jobs during the "Thatcher revolution" which reintroduced market forces into many fields of activity and for which she has not been forgiven by some.

Yesterday, when the consent of Buckingham Palace and No 10 was reported by the Mail on Sunday, there were doubts that Britain's overstretched armed forces would have the numbers to line the route which a coffin would probably take to St Paul's Cathedral.

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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:20 PM
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1. Can't stand Maggie Thatcher.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:21 PM
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2. Has she even died yet? (EDITED TO ADD)
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 09:22 PM by ColbertWatcher
This may prove to be a bigger Russertarian Spectacular than the one for the man himself.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:22 PM
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3. Is she dead?!1 n/t
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:27 PM
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5. No, they are just planning ahead
Lady Thatcher is expected to be granted the rare honour of a state funeral when she dies.

The first since Sir Winston Churchill's in 1965, the funeral would acknowledge the exceptional impact of her 11-year premiership in reversing the decline in Britain's postwar fortunes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jul/14/past.margaretthatcher
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:07 PM
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13. Should we be planning the chimp's funeral?
A party of sorts would be fitting. :party:
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:12 PM
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15. I hope bush and cheney get state funerals
I'd wait in line for days for the opportunity to shit in his open casket.
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:19 PM
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17. as would I
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:29 PM
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20. That's gonna be a long-ass line.
Bring a shovel.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:32 PM
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21. You'd be wrestled to the ground by the time you got your belt open.
Now, you could always spit into the coffin, or take some ipecac and vomit into it. Eat some good ol' Texas chili first, though.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:43 AM
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40. I wish. I think the appropriate celebration might be a
Woodstock redux on the Mall in Washington, DC with every artist that has written a protest song in the last 50 years.
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:26 PM
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4. yah seriously is she even dead yet?
:nuke:
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:27 PM
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6. No
but they don't throw together a state funeral on a moment's notice. They're planning it now, evidently.
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MillieJo Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 06:25 AM
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29. The BBC news team rehearse for these events....
They rehearse for The Queen's death, which is a long way of but they make sure they all know the exact tone, the dress code and who will do what in such an event. The death of Maggie Thatcher will also be well rehearsed.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:31 PM
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7. Will they hire Blackwater to line the funeral route?
"... there were doubts that Britain's overstretched armed forces would have the numbers to line the route which a coffin would probably take to St Paul's Cathedral."

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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:34 PM
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8. When I saw the OP, I thought she was dead.
Of course it couldn't be. I have my tv on BBC America right now and there would have been wall to wall coverage on her demise.


John

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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:43 PM
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9. the military will line the route to keep the protesters back
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dems_rightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:48 PM
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10. Crazy right-wing biddy
Worse than Hitler.... she's the cause of all the world's problems....

Oh wait. She's not dead yet? carry on.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:10 PM
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 02:36 AM
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22. That would be an exaggeration. But she is a war criminal
for ordering the sinking of the Belgrano.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 03:01 AM
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23. Even as a massive Thatcher-hater since childhood...
I do think that's exaggerated! She is NOT on the level of Hitler; and is hardly reponsible for *all* the world's problems. A bad and destructive leader, certainly.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:54 PM
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11. Two decades too late to do any good. nt
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:56 PM
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12. Why? She herself said it: They are not a society. Only individual men, women, and families.
Why should society pay her way? She's an individual; let her cough up the dough.

Where am I wrong?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:18 PM
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16. zactly. & bury her in unhallowed ground, the old witch.
her son is fomenting coups in africa. evil never dies.

the same folks who say they'll bring the rope to hang some murderer will accuse you of disrespect for cheering when mass murderers like george & maggie kick the bucket, safe in their expensive little beds. the sooner, the better, sez i.

i hear she's taking the reagan route to the grave: alzheimers.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:18 AM
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32. Heh - a good point. I'll copy it in the future, if I may
I debate with some Thatcher fanatics on a UK politics board, and it should annoy them no end.
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two gun sid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:19 PM
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18. Jesus, I thought the old girl had finally bit it
damn.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 10:27 PM
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19. Will she buried to the right of Ronald Reagan?
:hi:
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 03:03 AM
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24. I'm sure that's what SHE'D like!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 03:08 AM
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25. self-deleted (wrong place)
Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 03:09 AM by LeftishBrit
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 06:26 AM
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30. Bwah!
beneath? :hide:

a British friend of mine is convinced they "did it".
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 03:10 AM
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26. This has been planned for ages (and no, she hasn't died!)
Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 03:14 AM by LeftishBrit
Personally, I don't think it'll make much difference when she dies - she will still jump out of the grave at intervals to axe some vital public service. An Iron Lady takes a long time to rust, especially when it's taken so much care to avoid anything Wet!

Also, her spirit lives on in others. As I once said in the UK forum, in a bitter parody of 'Joe Hill':

From Major down to Blair and Brown;
From London to D.C.;
Where governments still crush the poor,
You'll there find Maggie T.!

ETA: occasionally the juxtaposition of thread-headings in the list of threads can be interesting. Right now this thread, 'State funeral planned for Thatcher' is directly above one headed, "Why exactly is it bad to speak ill of the dead?" Are there things about this planned funeral that we don't know and might make it more interesting?!
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MillieJo Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 06:13 AM
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27. I loathed the woman but I would expect that for her...
Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 06:17 AM by MillieJo
As long as the route is nowhere near the mining communities, Scotland, Northern Ireland or Wales, it should be fine.
I wonder whether the end is near if the press are writing about it, she has looked increasingly frail since her husband died and her son appears to in trouble again.
I have to say I don't think Thatcher would have taken us in war in Iraq without an exit plan, war was something she had to win like
against Argentina. She was close to Reagan without a doubt but she wasn't a poodle, like John Major and Tony Blair and I remember she was not happy when he bombed Libya using bases in UK, therefore putting the UK under threat of revenge attacks.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:21 AM
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33. As far as I remember, and can tell from this Commons debate, she supported bombing Libya
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:53 AM
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37. It already came up a year or two ago...
I don't think the end is necessarily near, though she's been in frail health for quite some time.

Why would one expect this for her? If all PMs got a state funeral, fair enough; but there was no state funeral for Attlee, Macmillan, Callaghan, Heath or Wilson - so what makes Thatcher especially deserving of one?

It reminds me of a joke I heard during her long evil reign:

Maggie Thatcher fell into the Thames. Just as she was going down for the third time, she was rescued by a strong teenage boy.

"You have saved my life!" she said. "What would you like as a reward?"

"A state funeral."

"But you are young and healthy - you won't be needing a funeral for a long time!"

"I'll need one as soon as my dad finds out whom I've rescued!"
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 06:20 AM
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28. preparing the country?
Is she expected to die soon then? Just a case of time being short due to age and the inevitable ...and getting the pesky details out of the way now?



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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 06:34 AM
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31. Ronald Reagan with saggier tits. Bringing the shock doctrine to the UK
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:49 AM
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34. North Sea oil played a good part in Britain's economic turnaround
And now that is all coming to an end as Britain's North Sea oil and gas fields have peaked and gone into decline. It means there will be no oil and gas left over for export, and the UK will have to import increasing quantities of increasingly expensive oil and natural gas in the future to meet its own energy requirements.


From riches to rags


SNIP

The bar chart up top indicates the cost of importing oil and gas to the UK ballooning to about $200 billion (£100 billion) per annum by 2013 - just 5 years away. This completely dwarfs the riches of North Sea oil and gas production the UK enjoyed up to 2004, which were exported at rock bottom energy prices. The chart is indicative since it is unlikely that this will ever come to pass. It is unlikely that the UK will be able to source or pay for this ever rising energy bill on the international markets.

Left to market forces, the problem will be solved by spreading energy poverty throughout the UK population. The wealthy who can afford the small amount of expensive energy on offer will be fine whilst the poor will just have to go without - personal transport, heat, light and power.

The charts below show the gross cumulative and per capita cumulative surplus / deficit from 1998 which is when the BERR chart begins, which coincides roughly with when the New Labour government (Blair - Brown) came to power. We are currently at the fulcrum of surplus turning to deficit. By 2013, the UK may well run up a cumulative deficit in oil and gas imports in excess of $500 billion - if we can find countries that will sell us oil and gas on credit. This equates to an energy debt over $8000 for every man, woman and child in 5 short years. This is in addition to the already dreadful debts we have run up as a country importing consumer goods on credit (see below).

http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/4188#more

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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:22 AM
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35. Pardon my ignorance but
wasn't Princess Diana's a state funeral?

Julie
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:48 AM
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36. Yes...
but royals normally get state funerals and politicians don't.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:00 AM
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42. Diana didn't have a state funeral.
In Britain, state funerals are normally reserved only for the monarch; even the Queen Mother didn't
have a full state funeral, but a ceremonial one, as was Diana's.

The only exception to the "monarch-only" rule has been Winston Churchill's in 1965. I can understand
that - although he held some views that I find pretty appalling, when I listen to recordings of his
war-time speeches, I can appreciate what he meant to Britons at that time.

But Thatcher? A truly awful woman, lacking any sense of compassion or understanding, dedicated to
power at any cost. I find this decision very hard to comprehend.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:58 AM
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38. My London tour guide's remarks when we passed Maggie's house...
You'll note the royal guards posted at her house. They're not for her protection. They're there to keep the bitch inside!
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:04 PM
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39. !
:rofl:
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 02:33 AM
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43. That's a good one. LOL
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 02:34 AM by bumblebee1
Will they fly Maggie Thatcher's body all over England like the right did for St. Ronnie? When I first read the title of this thread, I thought she was dead. Then again, if she was, there would be saturation coverage on Maggie Thatcher's life and times.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:47 AM
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41. Why not just have it NOW..while she's around to enjoy the party?
:rofl:
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