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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:09 AM
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U.S. birth rate rises.....Fundies attribute it to the "Pro Life" movement.....
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from the American Family Assn.'s One News Now:



U.S. birth rates up...more pro-life?
Chad Groening- OneNewsNow - 7/12/2008 4:10:00 AM


A human rights activist and author says after years of a sagging birthrate, the U.S. has once again climbed above the all-important replacement birth rate.

Steve Mosher, president of the Population Research Institute, recently he completed work on his latest book -- Population Control: Real Costs, Illusionary Benefits. As previously reported by OneNewsNow, Mosher says due to years of voluntary birth control, the native European population is dying off. But he says fortunately that is not the case in the United States.

"The good news is that we have now gotten back up to 2.1 children , which is what you need for what is called 'replacement rate fertility' -- that is, the number of children that maintains a stable population," Mosher explains. "We dropped below replacement when abortion was legalized in this country, and so for almost 40 years we've been below replacement rate fertility -- 1.8 children, 1.9, 2.0 -- and now we're back up to two-point-one."

Mosher attributes the improvement to the success of the pro-life movement. "Pro-life sentiment in this country is gradually increasing," he says, " people who are pro-life tend to be open to life -- they tend to have larger families. People who are not pro-life tend to have smaller families. If you are in favor of abortion, you tend to abort your children.

"So over time, America is becoming more of a pro-life country. The birth rate is creeping upwards," Mosher says. "So we're in a very different situation than Europe. And in part, I think, it's because of the strength of religious faith in this country."

Mosher says Americans read the Bible which says that children are a blessing.


http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=174486

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:11 AM
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1. So the rise in teen pregnancies
is a good thing?

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:15 AM
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3. Fundies like Teen Pregnancy because it keeps poor teens from going to college. n/t
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:17 AM
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4. Exactly
Since when is an increase in teen pregnancy and accomplishment?
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:15 AM
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2. Maybe it's immigrants having more children...
or people having nothing to do except have sex. Perhaps birth control methods (condoms, pills, etc.) are now being made in China?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:19 AM
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5. that 'abstinence' program is really, really working
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:22 AM
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6. With Massachusetts and California allowing gay marriage ...
I would've thought it would drop to like 0.3 or something. :sarcasm:
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:25 AM
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8. Awesome n/t
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:23 AM
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7. Gee. Stupidity and xenophobia all in one.
That takes talent, Mr. Mosher . . .:sarcasm:
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:27 AM
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10. Exactly....."The native European population is dying off."
Would he be referring to the French-born child of an immigrant from Algeria or Senegal? I think not.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 02:56 PM
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29. Odd reasoning.
It's like saying the Native American population in the US is healthy because of all the US-born children of immigrants from Europe and Africa.

Replace "native" with "indigenous" to spot the misunderstanding.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:26 AM
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9. More like a pro-fucking movement
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:28 AM
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11. So we're in a very different situation than Europe
Hello third world country status here we come.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:34 AM
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14. According to the local Catholic radio station, we NEED more people
A LOT more people.

To hear them tell it, we have a serious shortage of people and we could face disastrous consequences if we all don't start pumping out kids, and fast!
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 03:12 PM
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31. And these are the same whiney babies who, upon having those children be born,
start screaming about "bootstraps" when proposals of government aid are made.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:30 AM
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12. So, are they willing to increase AFDC funding to accomodate the increase?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:32 AM
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13. people do not have a pot to piss in
and having more children, this just does not make sense. But again, this is Bush's Amerika
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:35 AM
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15. Children are a blessing, huh?
One oof the things that cracks me up is when fundies claim that children are a blessing. then they will turn around and say to a teen who has gotten pregnant and is forced to have the baby, "Serves them right."
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:37 AM
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16. And when they vote for R's who send kids to die in Iraq, deny kids healthcare and on and on n/t
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:38 AM
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17. "If you are in favor of abortion, you tend to abort your children."
Wow, they really hate pro-choice people, don't they! We hate children so much that we create opportunities to abort them instead of raising them.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:42 AM
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18. Right, Dems are actually more pro-life
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:47 AM
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19. Third world countries always have higher birth rates than western
industrialized countries.

I guess that makes it official - we are now no longer a western industrialized country.

Western industrialized countries have:

industry - check
government health system - check
low birth rates - check
democratic government answerable to its citizens - check

We have none of those anymore.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:06 PM
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23. Great post.

I urge you to consider starting a thread on this.
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:30 AM
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20. Replacement Rate Fertility
Needed to maintain a "stable" population...
Hmmm.

Nothing about our population seems stable.
And it could just be me, but didn't America's population go up by something like 30 MILLION in the past 20 years or so?
I'm thinking that in order to stabilize our population, we need fewer people around here.

But birth control is only for those of us who "tend to abort" our children.

Sheesh.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 11:49 AM
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21. Replace "stable" with "majority white"
and you'll be in the ballpark of what that's supposed to mean.
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:26 PM
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24. Ahh...
Should have seen that.
That IS one of the reasons people started trying to make abortion illegal in the first place, isn't it?
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:50 PM
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25. One of the reasons.
Main reason is, it was a very successful wedge issue upon which the Catholic Church and the Southern Baptist Conference could unite.

Had the SBC chosen to keep itself officially neutral on legalized abortion which (shocking to some, I know it was to me) they still were, just before Roe v. Wade, the RCC would've been on its own and probably very marginalized politically on this issue, by now.

But you put those two churches together and, well, you have a headache for rational people.

But I digress. Yeah, it was partly about keepin' the races pure. Sure.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:53 PM
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26. John Gibson of Fox News said something incredible along those lines
Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 12:57 PM by ihavenobias
http://mediamatters.org/items/200605120006

Gibson: "Make more babies" because in "wenty-five years ... the majority of the population is Hispanic"
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 02:55 PM
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28. Except it's probably not what he meant. n/t
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 03:20 PM
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32. That doesn't make any sense. "Replacement birth rate" has nothing to do with ethnicity
Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 03:24 PM by Romulox
If 5 white people each have no offspring, and 5 black people each have 2.1, then that is replacement birth rate, irrespective of ethnicity.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 07:00 PM
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34. Of course, but really, who frets about a replacement birth rate?
Point taken though.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:04 PM
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22. Mosher sounds like an idiot. nt
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 01:06 PM
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27. no it's their stupid pro-abstinence movement that has had 0% success
and their equally stupid anti-contraceptive movement.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 03:01 PM
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30. When you have people like that fundie who had something like 18 kids
It offsets all childless couples.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 03:20 PM
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33. This is awful news. Our infrastructure is insufficient for the existing population. nt
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