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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 03:09 AM
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Let's remember: Bush is merely a symptom, not the disease.
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 03:12 AM by Mythsaje
A hundred and eighty days. Maybe a hundred and seventy-nine. At that point, unless you're one of the ones who believe he'll try to declare martial law and suspend the elections before that time (The RWers actually thought Clinton was going to do that too, btw--crazy fuckers), we can safely say that Bush will no longer be able to cause us any more serious harm.

The cabal that he represents, on the other hand, the same goatfucking shitbirds who gave us Watergate and Iran/Contra, are still going to be coiling behind the curtain and hatching new plots to continue the long, slow, painful screwing of the American people.

We'll still have the "drown government in the bathtub" skid marks trying their level best to convince Americans that regulation is bad, despite the fact that we've seen precisely what kinds of wonderful things that philosophy has produced in the past couple decades.

We'll still have the "greed is good" corporate assholes who want as close to 'something for nothing' from their workers as they can possibly manage. The anti-union, everyone for him/her self, "stab your brother in the back for that raise or promotion and you can someday be rich like me,' if you aren't gaining ground no matter how hard you work, it means you're not working hard enough, (and if the faith healer doesn't cure you, it means your faith isn't strong enough--same argument), 'the dictates from the Home Office are the Word of God and by damn we'll do it their way even if it's stupid as sucking up antifreeze through a straw,' 'advertising and political donations are the same as FREE SPEECH, don't you know,' crowd playing "Let's Make A Deal" with our elected "representatives."

We'll still have the usurious bankers and credit card people, not to mention the health insurance folks, who, if there was any true justice in the world, should explode when sunlight hits them. Who'll suck America dry given half a chance, then, when they too are starving because they've exhausted their food supply, will complain bitterly that someone should have stopped them.

We'll still have the batshit crazy religious right waving their dicks around and shouting "God said this and God said that," even though there's nothing in the nature of the universe we can observe that says that their religion is any more valid or invalid than any other, and that a band of jungle-dwelling primitives camped around a downed Cessna and its cargo of primo pot they've been using for religious ceremonies aren't actually closer to the Big Truth of existence than they are.

We'll still have the "Law and Order" assholes who think it's just A-Okay to throw people in prison for the use of relatively harmless substances based on laws originally created and maintained for racist purposes, despite the fact that the vast majority of those prosecuted (and persecuted) for using said substances have caused society far less problems than even the most casual drinker. You know, the kind of people who can know if someone's guilty of a crime the second they hear about it on TV, and hope that THEY get to be on the jury to "show that kind of scum that payback's a motherfucker."

We'll still have the anti-abortion freaks who can't get it through their thick skulls that if you want to prevent abortions, you need to provide comprehensive and frank education about contraceptive choices. One or the other, assholes. If you're going to let your religion dominate your thinking, you could at least insist that it's fucking CONSISTENT.

We'll still have dumbfucks like Joementum, who'd fuck a wildebeest if it meant he got to send our Amurkin boys over to kill some more goddamn A-Rabs.

We'll still have chickenshit, chickenhawk war-mongers who wouldn't mind bombing just about anyone, from Iran to France, if they didn't show us what they consider the proper deference and respect.

We'll still have disenchanted, disenfranchised non-voters, and the politicians who year after year prove to them that "they're all lying crooks" because it's only the crooked ones they bother to learn anything about.

We'll still have Republican congresscritters who, despite doing everything they can to distance themselves from everything Bushco represents as election season approaches, bought season tickets on the Bush Administration Roller Coaster of Shock, Awe, and "Go Fuck Yourself if you don't like it."

We'll still have the Democratic Representatives who couldn't raise their voices above a frightened squeak if the Republicans were reaming them with a length of rubber hose dipped in glue and rolled in glass because some fuckwit talking head might call them "partisan."

So, yeah, let's cheer the notion of Bush being tossed out of the White House when his term is up, packed up onto an old jalopy like the Beverly Hillbillies, and taking his kin back to the Crawford Ranch to live out the rest of his days in Infamy, but let's not forget that he's like the big pus-filled boil on Rush Limbaugh's expansive ass...just a sign of a more virulent infection under the skin. (In the case of Rush Limbaugh, the corruption is so deep, the boil is probably the least diseased part of him).

We don't want to make him the scapegoat, or let ANYONE try to blame all this on him. As far as I'm concerned, he doesn't deserve even a fraction of the blame. Considering how many different people have had their hands up his ass using him as a puppet, you could park a mack truck in there with room for a Imperial Star Destroyer to land beside it.

Bush is a stinking shit-stain on the history of our nation, but we should just look at him as the diarrhea caused by a raging flu virus. In this case, the disease is the orgy of mindless capitalistic greed, blood-thirstiness, and religious fanaticism that all the aforementioned groups engage in every minute of every day in this country.

When they call us "Bush Haters," we should just give them a feral smile and reply, "Oh, no. We feel sorry for Bush. We hate the REST of you assholes."



edited to run a spell check
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 03:17 AM
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1. Bravo! The GOP has always been the problem!
The names change, but the crimes do not.

Don't forget, we thought we had lost Phil Gramm, but he reared his ugly head back up.

Same with Newt Gingrich and Milton Friedman and Grover Nordquist.

Too many of those perpetual "unelected advisors".


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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 06:20 AM
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10. *neoconservatism* is the problem
That isnt' necessarily limited to the GOP.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 03:25 PM
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30. Neoconservatism is a sleeper cell of the GOP.
If the GOP really didn't want to be associated with them, they would have denounced them long ago.


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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 06:28 AM
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11. Out of control corporations are the problem; the GOP is the enabler. nt
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:17 AM
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12. Capitalism cannot be controlled

It will not allow itself to be controlled. Witness what has happened to the New Deal, FDR managed to implement some controls, for capitalism's own good, but it was poison to them. Short of SS & Medicare/Medicaid it's all gone, and they're gunning for the rest, and then some.

There is no living with this beast, it is not to be tamed, it must be dispatched.

Don't just blame it on the GOP, it takes two to make this good cop/bad cop scam work.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 03:25 AM
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2. Bush is a disease
he's all up in his house with disease. :shrug:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 03:41 AM
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3.  a stinking shit-stain on the history of your nation
Given a bit more thought couldn't you have expressed just a little more strongly ? :hi:
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 04:00 AM
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4. Nah...I LIKE beating around the Bush. n/t
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 04:30 AM
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5. will we also still have
people who are foul mouthed and hateful of the huge group of people they feel they are totally superior to?

Do all people who disagree with you have to be 'goatfu$%ing sh*tstain batsh*t crazy ignorant fu#&ing a$$hole freaks'? (and I forgot ugly, lazy and disrespectful) Aren't some of them decent people doing the best they can with what they've been taught and doing what they think might make the world a better place? Where they disagree with you, is there never any chance that they might be right and you wrong?

Actually, this has gotten worse

"if you aren't gaining ground no matter how hard you work, it means you're not working hard enough, (and if the faith healer doesn't cure you, it means your faith isn't strong enough--same argument)"

Now they look down their nose at hard work. You need to work smart, not hard.

"We'll still have Republican congresscritters who, despite doing everything they can to distance themselves from everything Bushco represents as election season approaches, bought season tickets on the Bush Administration Roller Coaster of Shock, Awe, and "Go Fuck Yourself if you don't like it.""

*There is hope that we will have fewer.

"We'll still have the Democratic Representatives who couldn't raise their voices above a frightened squeak if the Republicans were reaming them with a length of rubber hose dipped in glue and rolled in glass because some fuckwit talking head might call them "partisan.""

*There is hope that some of those will lose in the primaries and that some of these
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/current-endorsements
will replace them. Although I note with sadness that Leonard Boswell has already defeated Ed Fallon in Iowa, and it wasn't even close.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 06:09 AM
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9. ?? re: "Aren't some of them decent people doing the best they can
with what they've been taught and doing what they think might make the world a better place? Where they disagree with you, is there never any chance that they might be right and you wrong?" ???

I guess I just don't get it this morning.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:04 PM
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23. Bite me!
If my fucking language offends you, tough shit.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:39 PM
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25. "go ahead and hate your neighbor
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 01:43 PM by hfojvt
go ahead and cheat a friend"

It's not just the language, it's the attitude. The attitude that 'people who disagree with me are not just wrong, not just ill informed, they are contempible, almost sub-human.'

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/37

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/11
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:30 PM
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27. I'd never cheat a friend...
And these folks are definitely NOT like the people on that mountain in that song. The first time I heard it, if I remember correctly, was in the movie "Billy Jack." Sometimes you have to fight to preserve what's worth preserving. Those who don't realize that are the first to fall.

We're in a fight for our very survival and playing nice isn't going to cut it. Why should we apologize for being treated like speed bumps, or being shot in the face by the very folks who are supposed to be protecting us? Half the reason we're IN this mess is because certain people were willing to give them a pass in the past. Charity in the face of evil, and make no mistake, a lot of it IS evil, isn't a hell of a lot better than joining up and taking their silver.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 05:09 AM
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6. And please remember, even if Obama wins and there is a democratic majority in both Houses,
they . . . aren't . . . going . . . away.

They will reconstitute and reappear. They are with us to challenge any change to their systematic program of nihilism they have enacted since Reagan was elected.

My father made a comment that seemed like an oxymoron at the time. Said this country would need a "democratic dictator" to change the system so whatever challenges the penumbra of interests calling themselves republicans try, our system of democracy would remain safe and intact.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 05:21 AM
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7. We must insure that Obama wins,
AND that the dems increase the majority in Congress, and even more that the Democrats in congress become a bit more inspired to really get our country doing good for its own.
Since the 90's, Democrats have been largely a "me,too" party, and this must change.

We need to do our best to end the Repubs influence and even to destroy their party.

mark
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 05:26 AM
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8. Good one!
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:48 AM
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13. preach it to 'em.....
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:57 AM
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14. Pitch perfect and right on the nose, mythsaje!
The biggest advantage to having a Democrat in the Whitehouse (Supremes aside), is that the destruction will continue at a slower rate, and there will be increased opportunities to slow it further.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:38 AM
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15. But as long as there's people like you in the world
still kicking, it has to be well worth it!! :) I live for the people in between, the people somehow hanging onto their essence(innocence) despite all of this madness.

Right on that Bush is just the front man, and by the way they still have the trillions packed away, 'lost' as they call it, so they will no doubt burrow deeper until the winds change.

Pressure from the outside, as in demonstrations, emails, speeches, blogs and voting can only inspire those WITHIN who are already honest, and who will actually resist being bought off or converted to the status quo. We can only hope for more and more honest representatives to be amongst the thieves, to perhaps knock them down a notch from time to time.

But the real change has to be on the OUTSIDE, independent and unplugged from this corrupt system. As i see it, there are 2 sides to any equation, and yes, the government has become corrupt vampires, but we American people have allowed ourselves to become hypnotized into being mass consumers of their poisonous food and their poisonous pharmaceuticals, their poisonous propaganda, and use their poisonous oil, and agree to nurse off of their energy grid matrix. We have to unplug ourselves from this monster and stop feeding it with our money (I say taxation without representation here but usually get crickets) blood and with our sweat.

I will continue to support the honest ones like Obama, Wexler, Kucinich, but I do not wish to support war and destruction.

We have to survive and find our own happiness in SPITE of these mfers who would rather see us afraid dependent true believers. I aim to live in a way that is independent of criminal corporations as possible. This is a form of resistance, and I will feel good doing it. Peace~

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:45 AM
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16. Been saying this for years
although without giving the Rude Pundit a run for the money, that Stupid's only the symptom of a cancer that is rotting this nation under the surface and that he couldn't do what he's doing without a lot of help for a lot of years and from both parties.

Remember that Clinton had 2 years with a Democratic Congress and did nothing to reverse Reaganism. The Wall Street Democrats are just fine with the GOP's screwball economic ideology--the ideology that dismantled the New Deal and has sent us roaring headlong into another Depression.

Capitalism only works when it's heavily regulated and moderated with enough socialism to keep the country healthy. Democrats have forgotten that, and until we remind them at the point of a pitchfork, nothing will change.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:48 PM
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28. I didn't start out trying to sound like the rude pundit
but the words stacked themselves up that way for this one. I'm furious with the stupidity and blindness of the folks on the "left" who are STILL hypnotized by the "free market" bullshit the conservatives have been shoveling for so long. It's nonsense and the writing is staining the wall like a scrawl in indelible blood. IT DOESN'T WORK. Never has, never will.

I have no issue with capitalism if balance is maintained. Same with socialism. I certainly don't raise one over the other because either way its the most vulnerable who end up reaming the weasel if you give the Big Dogs free reign.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:50 AM
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17. We forgot the lessons of the Great Depression,
but, this time, we have videotape, You-Tube, and cameras and recording devices in damn near anything. When the laissez faire crowd rears its self-interested head in the future, all we have to do to slap 'em down is "bring up the video!" :-)
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:57 AM
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18. The End Of An "Era"
Very well written!! :toast:

It's easy to put all the blame on boooshie without looking at what got him where he was/is. He was a product of a system that grew over years that finally got a chance to control the country and showed how bankrupt it really was. Just the concept that they were a party that was going to "shrink government" meant they never intended to govern as much as rule. Their "top down" system of subservience made it possible for incredible greed and corruption to flourish and it became so common place and rampant that it ended up destroying the military and now the economy. It proved that "trickle down" was always a pantload.

Add to this mix the cards of hate the GOOP used as the cement to hold their corrupt party together. From commies to colored people to gays to hispanics to women...there was always another target for their hatred...someone to blame for whatever "problem" the "movement" deemed "imporant". White males became victims, incomes were being redistributed to deadbeats, "family values" were being abused and the problem of government was government and Democrats. For years the game worked until they got complete control of the legislative and executive and this country got a good taste of what one-party state-run autocracy and kleptocracy was all about...and it was soundly rejected in 2006 and it appears another message will be delivered this November.

The charm of Gramps is the more he tries to say he's not boooshie, the more he deflects the "booosh-hate" as it does demonstrate that this corrupt "ideology" was not just one asshat's design. And the Boooosh Fatigue has set in big time in this country...Mr 27% can't be hidden or ignored fast enough by the GOOP while the rest of us are just plain sickened by the moron. The only people who still take his assholiness seriously is the corporate media. They still can't call this bastard a liar, yet couldn't say it enough times about Clinton.

It will take the rest of our lives to sort out all the shit that's happened in the past 7 1/2 years...from tending to the many new war veterans to the massive defecits to the long and deeply entrenched corruption to the illegal war for profit. This legacy hasn't even begun to be written...and the current version isn't too pretty.

Cheers...
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 09:24 AM
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19. Bush in not Stupid. McCain is not Old.
Conservatives are just Wrong.

When we concentrate on a characteristic of the messenger (Bush's intelligence or McCain's age), then we're missing the root cause of the problem, and that is the tragically misguided and downright pernicious nature of conservative ideology.

Taken to its extreme (as it is right now) conservatism is absolutely un-American. From the Mayflower Compact to the Declaration of Independence, where the signers pledged "our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor," Americans have always believed in the power of working together as a community and have worked for generations to protect and preserve the commond good.

Modern conservatism is dedicated to destroying what generations of Americans, of all political ideologies, have worked so hard to create. To the extent that the Republican Party refuses to quit its embrace of conservative principles, it should be ground into the dust. Destroyed. Kicked to the curb. Pick your metaphor - but they must go.

Not just Bush. Not just McCain. The entire philsophy and infrastructure must be dismantled.
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jobendorfer Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:17 AM
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20. the great mistake in responding to watergate ...
... was in merely lopping off the head, so to speak.
The body survived, strengthened itself during the Reagan era, and today ...

The problem before us is not merely prosecuting Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Gonzales, Rumsfeld, et al, the problem is one of completely and thoroughly tearing down a political machine: the underlying ideology, the underlying philosophy, the network of think tanks, the fundraising system that supports neoconservatism, and the criminal organizations that implement neoconservatism as government policy. Jailing the top five or the top twelve leaders isn't enough. We have to take the whole bloody machine apart, from top to bottom, and in these terms, Republicanism is the target only to the extent that it is dominated by neoconservative thinking. I will probably get some shit for saying this, and I am sad to have to say it, but in my humble opinion neoconservative thinking has made more than a few inroads into the Democratic party as well, and it's something that we ignore at our peril.

Mythsaje, thanks for reminding us that -- as Jefferson said -- people get the government they deserve.

J.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:18 AM
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21. Same thing with capitalism.
It's just a symptom, not the disease. There's been a huge gap between the masses and the rich few since long before there was capitalism.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:22 PM
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24. True, that...n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:19 AM
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22. He's a rusty nail in the foot of the media...
That's why they got lockjaw. So he is just the symptom.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:09 PM
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26. But, how do you really feel?
I salute you. An excellent piece of writing and ranting. :applause:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:58 PM
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29. Good one!!!
:kick: & REC'D!!!
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 06:50 PM
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31. thank you! I feel better now. Billy Jack lives.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 12:45 AM
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32. I like this.
I really really like this. You've identified those who helped this all come to fruition. Instead of lumping all Americans into one big basket labeled stupid, like I tend to do, you single out the diseased Americans who allowed this to happen.

It's a real clarity. Maybe it's just late, and I'm tired, but this hits the bullseye.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:46 AM
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33. Thank you...I tried. n/t
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