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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:08 PM
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RAISE the gas tax?
OK I just can't believe this. Check out the link.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25751775/

Now congress wants to "raise" the gas tax on us in order to get money for road work! Now if you ask me they can find all kinds of places to get the extra money needed, but raising the gas tax 10 cents per gallon is just plain stupid! I will be writing my congress women to let them know how I feel about this!

What really gets me is you hear all this "talk" about high gas prices and how much it is hurting the american people, yet behind our backs they are talking about hitting us even harder! :mad:
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:13 PM
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1. All I can say is
:wtf:
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:15 PM
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2. Congress is not on our side.
Although I can't see how this would directly benefit corporations, there must be one, since that is the only reason they ever do anything.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:25 PM
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6. Even so, the majority of incumbents will be reelected in Nov. nt
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 09:05 PM
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16. This is all about..
trying to keep the unemployment numbers down. Congress is scared shitless about the bad economy and they're throwing money wherever they can keep the masses from revolting in November.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:17 PM
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3. When you look at where federal highways are on maintenance, a raise in it is long overdue.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:22 PM
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4. Shrug. Money's gotta come from somewhere.
I've wanted federal excise taxes raised for a long time, actually.

However, obviously this is a very regressive tax, and it's coming along at a terrible time. so...

Thanks for posting the article. It's just one of several ideas being tossed around now. Hope it spurs a decent discussion.
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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:51 PM
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13. How is it regressive? It's one of the few taxes where everybody's costs
and benefits are aligned.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 09:00 PM
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14. Poorer people pay a higher percentage of 'consumption' taxes because ALL their income is...
spent on consumption.

So, that extra, say $10 a week on gas a poor person pays, plays a much larger role in his finances than the extra ten pays in a wealthier person's budget.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 09:01 PM
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15. People do NOT understand tax policy. We need an intelligent discussion. nt
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:24 PM
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5. Here's how it should work:
Stop the market speculation. In it's tracks. Close the Enron Loophole and make any other moves, up to and including the nationalization of the oil companies. Then, when the price comes down, let it settle and then add a tax to the price of a gallon of fuel. Earmark that tax *exclusively and totally* for alternative energy development.

That is the only way for this to work.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:33 PM
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9. Agreed. n/t
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:14 PM
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18. I agree.
Congress needs to take on the problem with speculators, and close the Enron loophole. I also agree they need to look at every possible way to lower gas prices, then and only then, should they talk about how to get money to fix our roads. I still think there are plenty of places to cut money, Iraq would be the first place, instead of taxing people more for gas, or at least something a lot lower than 10 cents per gallon.

There is so much waste in the government now, that by simply cutting that waste, it would more than pay for the needed repairs to our highways and bridges.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:26 PM
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7. Would have been a VERY smart move in the 1980's and 90's
Considering the economy, not so wise today.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:29 PM
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8. With the prise of gas as high as it is, doesn't that also raise the tax revenue?
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 07:30 PM by RC
Or is the tax tied to the unit measure, the gallon?

Either way, NO! People are being hit too hard already.

Like the high price of oil is forcing more people to take public transportation, then raising the price of riding the bus or light rail because more people are utilizing them. Both are supposed to be subsidized by taxes. Raise that tax. Make the well off help out a bit.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:36 PM
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10. It's per gallon, and it's needed to be raised for a long time. Some folks who had
relatives on a bridge in Minnesota can attest to that for you if you don't believe it.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:09 PM
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11. We are in one
fucked up country. We spend hundreds of billions each year on ways to kill people and yet this kind of stuff is OK in the eyes of some folks. We are FUCKED!
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Bobcat Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 08:33 PM
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12. Gas Tax
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 08:34 PM by Bobcat
First, legislate the same regulation (control speculation) on oil as exists on other commodities. Eliminate the Enron loophole. According to congressional testimony recently, that will reduce the cost of gasoline to around $2/gallon. THEN, consider raising the gasoline tax.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 09:06 PM
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17. Congress is so fucking stupid. They are NOT in touch with the American people on ANYTHING.
They should NOT be talking about raising the fed tax on gas until they can get the fucking speculators under control. WHy not legislate some of THAT??? They couldn't even get a windfall profits tax over on the oil companies but they expect to get this shit over on US?

I THINK NOT.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:15 PM
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19. That's the problem
Congress "won't" vote to tax big oil companies outrageous profits, they will try and raise the tax on the people who are hurting because of the greed of those same oil companies! Speculators are a big problem, and they know it, yet we are still waiting to see a bill come to the floor to take them on, and put some regulations into place that will help to lower the price of oil. Those who want to tax the people, yet refuse to vote to tax the oil companies need to be replaced! Putting Obama in office is only the start, we also need to get new leadership in the party, and vote out any one in congress that puts big corporations ahead of the people!
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bighart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:49 PM
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20. what constitutes an "outrageous profit"?
where should the threshold be, percentage wise, for a windfall profit tax to be imposed? would this apply to profit for all industry?
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geek_sabre Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 04:22 PM
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21. I've been wondering about this for awhile
Percentage-wise, the oil companies aren't making all that much profit (a little over 8%). Compare it to, say, McDonald's, tobacco or beer companies, which are well over 20%.

I think "windfall profit tax" sounds nice, but it is not very realistic, and will more likely result in companies removing their businesses from the US completely. Not to mention what will happen to millions of retirement portfolios for ordinary Americans.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 04:35 PM
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22. November cometh! An ideal time to replace one third of the
senate and all of the house (of those incumbents who have challengers) but it won't happen. There will be less the 10% turnover, and then back to business as usual, with the same old arguments in 2010.
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