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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:10 AM
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So, Bertha is headed to Iceland; she'll probably be only a
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 10:11 AM by hedgehog
tropical storm by then, but still, a tropical storm in Iceland?!?!

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/150116.shtml?5day#contents
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:12 AM
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1. Maybe Bertha likes Bjork and hot mineral baths?
:hide:


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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:14 AM
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2. isn't Iceland green and Greenland ice?
It may take only two hours to fly to Greenland from Iceland but it is a world of difference here. The Gulf Stream has bestowed Iceland with much greenery but Greenland, in particular, Kulusuk along the east coast, lies on 65'C 35'’, just south of the Arctic Circle, and way off the warm Gulf Stream. Granite rock, massive icebergs, bare haunting landscape with tiny pockets of greenery which in any case comprise of mainly grass and algae, and loaming inland is the Greenland Icecap, which covers more than 85% of the world’s largest island.

The Inuit people (previously known as the Eskimos, these days denounced as a depredatory term, for it means people who eat raw meat) were the first peoples of this island. In the 980's, Eric the Red, a Norwegian Viking who got into repeated trouble (real serious ones like murder and vandalism) in Norway and then Iceland, fled here where he founded a colony. Then he committed one of the greatest frauds in the history of the world property sector by naming the island Greenland so as to attract settlers - all despite the desolate coldness and hostile environment.

http://weecheng.com/europe/greenice/greenland/green1.htm
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:15 AM
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3. Greenland is less and less icy these days, tho.
n/t

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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:39 AM
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6. Still, it's hardly the place to expect a tropical storm.
I'm not sure Eric the Red committed fraud when he promoted Greenland- he got there during a warming trend.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:18 AM
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4. Effects of Global Warming
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 11:15 AM
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11. Graphic with enough historic tropical cyclone tracks to make you vomit, and a link
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 11:16 AM by slackmaster


NOAA's "Query Storm Tracks" interactive map.

http://maps.csc.noaa.gov/hurricanes/viewer.html
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 11:19 AM
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12. Yup... and due to Global Warming things will get more extreme
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 11:19 AM by fascisthunter
extreme in how severe each storm is and how long they last.


;-)
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:08 PM
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13. Your graphic merely tells us that storms have passd up toward
Iceland without telling us if the frequency has changed in recent years.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:39 AM
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5. Right . . . the tropical/hurricane system is moving northward . . .
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:43 AM
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7. Yeah, they usually poop out and become tropical depressions
by the time they get that far. It's just a question of origin and wind speed. Iceland gets its share of wind storms, just few of them that have meandered around in the mid Atlantic long enough to have been named.
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dems_rightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:53 AM
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8. It won't be tropical.....
... by the time it gets there. The latest:

"SPACE ANALYSES FROM FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY USING THE GFS FORECAST
FIELDS INDICATE THAT BERTHA WILL BECOME AN EXTRATROPICAL CYCLONE
VERY SOON...PROBABLY NOT LONG AFTER 1200 UTC TODAY."

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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:54 AM
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9. Does "Extratropical" refer to location or to temperatures within the storm?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 11:00 AM
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10. It refers to the driving energy source for the storm - NHC glossary entry here
Extratropical:

A term used in advisories and tropical summaries to indicate that a cyclone has lost its "tropical" characteristics. The term implies both poleward displacement of the cyclone and the conversion of the cyclone's primary energy source from the release of latent heat of condensation to baroclinic (the temperature contrast between warm and cold air masses) processes. It is important to note that cyclones can become extratropical and still retain winds of hurricane or tropical storm force.


http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutgloss.shtml
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