Despite all the promises...no manual recount in close elections in Florida.

You just thought you heard it was going to happen. See, things are not always as they seem. Not at all. There will only be some very limited recounts...no real complete recounts at all.

Amazing how they made you think that would happen. :shrug:

You know how they rammed the early Florida primary bill through..saying it included a paper trail...why have a paper trail if you don't get to recount? Wasn't the part of the deal? I guess not.



No manual recount except in very special circumstances. We got snookered.

No Manual Recount In Close Elections



Wait until you hear how they justify the lack of a recount...it would show we did not trust the new optical machines and wouldn't that be a real shame. :eyes:



Yay, Labasky, best suggestion yet.

Bless Ion Sancho...he has fought hard for fair elections here. His reply to this idiocy about no manual recounts was "voters are "stunned" when told there will be no manual recount of all ballots in a close election. We have failed our citizens," said Sancho.

He argued that "lawmakers should allow more time for a full manual recount in close elections or at least a scientifically sound sampling to verify the votes were counted correctly."

We got snookered.

Read about san diego in 2006. lawsuits went bakc and forth, until, finally. NO recount, which really means no vote count at all, since we do not know what algorithms sit inside our tabulators....

Sad.

get a HUGE overhaul.

that's how convincing.

I despair of overhauls of any kind in my state.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article696188.ece

"By law, a candidate who loses by less than one-quarter of 1 percent is entitled to a manual recount, but the law requires only a review of overvotes and undervotes.

To Browning's frustration, the Legislature did not change the law to require a manual count of all paper ballots, even though Crist repeatedly promoted paper ballots as a way of providing "receipts" for wary voters.

"What good is giving a voter a piece of this paper if no one has access to it?" Browning said, holding up a sample ballot. "And under current law, no one has access to it. No one."

I posted a lot about it. People would ask me why I did not mention that the Democrats HAD to vote for the early primary because it included a paper trail. That is one very illusive paper trail.

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can't the dems go in a special session and fix this shit once and for all? why don't the papers report to the people what is happening (or are they? it's hard to believe that if people are informed they just don't care)

and no Democrats speaking out on it. Glad, but surprised.

Our FL Dems voted to pass the paper trail in overwhelming numbers, even using that as the reason to move the primary up....yet not a word about the fact that there is no good having a paper trail if you can't have a manual recount.

:shrug:

What is going on with republicans not wanting to count the vote? In Texas the republican dominated state officials refuse to have any paper trail at all for their electronic voting machines. Why? You be the judge, but no matter how much the polls say Obama is going to win by, if the counting is being rigged in key places it won't matter. It will be just another GOP victory where the polls were wrong and the main stream media will just go along with it.

What action will he take? What action can he take? What action can WE take?

One of the reasons that Bush Baby went about reformatting the Dept of Jsutice was so that it is very difficult to even complain if you catch someone red handed.

then should you find someone at the FBI who will file a report, there probably is not much of a penalty even if they are convicted.

suggest that PUBLIC should have taken re the 2000 steal?

And exactly when . . . ??? I think it went on for a few weeks, as I recall.

And, I've put this question into terms of the PAST because we really did experience

that --- it's not hypothetical -- we know the anger and the emotions and the

frustrations of it. And it really could happen again ---!!!

Should we have come out into the streets?

Should we have organized before hand expecting something like that?

Should we have had a plan?




and just in case you're someone who still thinks that Nader had anything to do with
"stealing" votes from Gore . . .

let me repeat that GORE WON overall and in Florida no matter how you count the votes ....

More than 300,000 "DEMOCRATS" voted for Bush --
More than 3,000 votes were taken by Buchanan via "butterfly ballots" designed by Dems . . .
More than 6,000 votes went to Socialists and Libertarians --
More than 600 ILLEGAL military ballots were counted for Bush --

We also had the GOP fascist rally outside of Miami-Dade Election HQ's to stop the recount
ordered by the Florida State Supreme Court --- with violence -- and with no response by
police enforcement.

This was followed by the Supreme Court putting Bush in the Oval Office ---

before we go to bed on Election night who the "winner" is . . . !!

In countries where they use IRV systems sometimes they don't know for days . . .