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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 09:07 AM
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South Dakota abortion providers must tell women abortion terminates "life"
http://www.feministing.com/archives/009840.html

Starting Friday, doctors in South Dakota must tell women seeking abortions that the procedure ends a human life and may cause them psychological harm, the state attorney general said.
...The 2005 law requires doctors to tell women "that the abortion will terminate the life of a whole, separate, unique, living human being." Women also would have to be told they have a right to continue a pregnancy and that abortion may cause them psychological harm, including thoughts of suicide.


So basically, they have to provide patients with false information. Nice. Planned Parenthood Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota is fighting back. "We remain optimistic that, in time, the court will find that the law is unconstitutional," says PPMNS President and CEO Sarah Stoesz.

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 09:16 AM
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1. Does PPH have the right to also include in that statement
that they don't agree with specific required statements? Or that some of their own state legislators families possibly have obtained abortions?

Are there any facts to support or refute the suicide thoughts? or other psychological harm?

And was the abortion the real reason for those that suffered psychologically or had suicide thoughts or was it friends and/or family members that hounded them unmercifully?
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canitbeme Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 09:32 AM
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2. I'm back...that's annoying...anything's possible..
What's wrong with the truth??? Anybody ever had to counsel some of these folks...better to know before than later..even if they make the same decision..The "nobody told me" is then ruled out.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 09:36 AM
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3. You're back with your first post?
:shrug:

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canitbeme Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 09:48 AM
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5. well...today's first post!
:D
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 10:10 AM
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7. What's annoying...
is when a state legislature populated by people who probably hate "big government" think they should tell doctors how to practice medicine.

When the state attempts to make doctors say things that may not be supported by the medical evidence -- that's a perfect example of "big government"!
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 09:38 AM
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4. Why don't recruiters have to tell potential recruits that...
They will "terminate life", could be killed, and could cause them psychological harm?
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canitbeme Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 09:49 AM
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6. They should...my friend won't even claim his military experience as positive
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 09:51 AM by canitbeme
he trained with the Marines (although he was Navy)...Said it was total brainwashing! Anyone checking the wires today..sees how much psch. damage is being done.
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GreenEyedLefty Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 10:25 AM
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8. Well, it ends a *potential* human life
I believe in honesty but IMO telling someone that an embryo or fetus is whole, separate, and a human being is psychologically harmful in and of itself.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 10:41 AM
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9. In any case...
Decisions about what to tell a patient are best left to medical professionals, not state legislatures.
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canitbeme Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 10:51 AM
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10. the person having the abortion..is sustaining life..or ending life...
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 10:53 AM by canitbeme
call it what you will. Gov't shouldn't have gotten into to begin with and shouldn't be monitoring now..sobeit
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:08 AM
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12. Getting a manicure "ends life" in the same way.
Live cells are removed! People should have to sign a waiver...
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:32 PM
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16. I agree
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 10:52 AM
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11. I thought abortion was already outlawed in S.D.?
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:19 AM
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13. Naw, they wimped out.
I use this example all the time. Put to a vote, even in a very conservative state, you're not going to get people to actually vote to ban the procedure.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2006/SD/2006-11-08-abortion-ban_x.htm

(had the measure passed, of course, it'd be challenged and probably before the Supremes by now.)
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:38 AM
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14. So, women are stupid?
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 11:39 AM by ismnotwasm
The same women who have been having children, oh, how long now? Been a while. These disgusting politicians think they need to add a little emotional punch to a womans' private decision? Bullshit.

Whole?--Nope. Separate? not that either. Unique?--that's really ridiculous. living? yes, tissue with a provided blood supply and DNA, human tissue, yes, so what? Being? Nope.


Let's talk about the predominant emotion experienced after abortion--Relief.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:47 PM
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15. Anti-abortionism is deeply embedded up here.
There are farmers who put up dead fetus billboards in their fields.

There's a shoe repair guy in a nearby town who decorates his wall with dead fetus photos.

There are people I consider "normal" people, but if I even mention abortion, they are shocked and appalled.

They come back to the legislature every year looking for more restrictions, and there are always legislators willing to go for it.

This is also the only state to where a medical marijuana initiative has lost. (52-48).

And we also have some of the poorest counties in America.

It may be "a nice place to raise your kids up," but it's also a culturally conservative shithole.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:35 PM
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17. So does cleaning my toenails. nt
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