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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:21 AM
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We knew it: The real deal behind wiretaps and intimidation and Cheney is evil
Gestapo much?

We knew that this is why they are listening to us all. We knew that Dick is nothing more than an storng armed thug using fear and loathing to get what he wants and destroy those who stand for us and in his way.

http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Author_Officials_feared_wiretaps_over_opposing_0721.html


According to Jane Mayer, author of The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How the War on Terror Turned Into a War on American Ideals, two top lawyers in the Justice Department who attempted to push back against the authorization of torture by Vice President Cheney's staff became so paranoid that they worried they were being wiretapped and even feared they might be in physical danger.

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Mayer pointed out that "two of the top lawyers in the Bush administration, Jim Comey who was the number two in the Justice Department and Jack Goldsmith who ran the Office of Legal Counsel, were trying really hard to put the country back on what they thought was a legal footing when it came to how to treat prisoners. They were trying to take away the torture memo and replace it with something that was more responsible."

"As they were working on this," Mayer continued, "they became so paranoid that the vice president's office was either trying to push back in some way -- they thought they might be being wiretapped, they thought they might be in physical danger. The fights were that intense. I can't tell you how passionate and hard-fought these fights were inside this government."



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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:24 AM
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1. But, according to Congress, there's nothing going on that warrants impeachment.
Thanks, Congress.

If the American people were smart, all but a small handful of you would be replaced in the next couple of elections.

Congress is not doing its job, as is complicit in the crimes of this administration!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:24 AM
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2. feared they might be in physical danger.....cheney the don
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:26 AM
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3. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean Cheney isn't trying to kill you.
Goldsmith was right to be afraid.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:28 AM
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4. oh come on, who has Dick ever hurt?
oh wait, I forgot, he shot a "friend" in the face with a shotgun. Be careful or Dick will come hunting in your neighborhood
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:39 PM
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5. Do you all remember William Saffire?
He was one of the first ones that experienced wiretapping, and he made a quick exit soon after. For all the disgusting right-wing policies he pushed, he knew at once what it meant when the wiretappings began. Maybe he should be called in to find out if he had any idea where it was coming from.
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:00 AM
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7. Safire's testimony (excerpt)
This boggled my mind at the time... and to think it happened 3 years ago...


Testimony of William Safire
Before the Senate Judiciary Committee
Wednesday, July 20, 2005


I am here to urge Congress to pass a law to stop the government and the courts from their present, dangerous course of trying to deny the public its right to the free flow of news.

The press’s freedom to publish the news without prior restraint is not in doubt. But now under attack is what comes before publication: the ability of journalists to gather the news.

(snip)

And there is a more specific chilling effect taking place right now. It imposes a mental “prior restraint” on the gathering of news and the expression of opinion. I’ve always been able to write what I have learned and what I believe “without fear or favor”, freely taking on the high and mighty. But I cannot do that this morning.

I am seething inside because I cannot tell you --- with no holds barred --- what I think of the unchecked abuse of prosecutorial discretion, and of the escalating threats of a Federal judiciary that is urgently in need of balancing guidance by elected representatives of the people. But for the first time, I have to pull my punches.

The reason is that I am afraid of retaliation against Federal prisoner 45570083, whose byline in the New York Times is Judith Miller. This Pulitzer prizewinning reporter, who earned the trust of the U.S. forces with whom she was embedded in Iraq, has accepted the painful consequences of daring to call public attention to the unbalanced, unwise, ever-growing application of the contempt power.

I must not anger or upset those who control her incarceration, and who repeatedly threaten to pile on with longer punishment as a criminal unless she betrays her principles as a reporter. Because any harsh criticism of them from me might well be taken out on her, I am constrained to speak gently, as if concerned about treatment of a hostage. That duress, I submit, is an example of what Justice Brennan had in mind about a “chilling effect”. I can testify that it works all too well, which is why I will now shut up and look to Congress to pass a law balancing our values and taking the chill out of the air.

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/guest_commentary/saffire-shield-law.htm

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:14 AM
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8. Wow. Sounds like Saffire was part of the neo-con conspiracy, and
was using his linguistic talent to good use to try to hide behind the same Constitutional rights that his stooges crapped over on their way to take us to Iraq!

What a convoluted world we live in
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:42 PM
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6. if there is any justice, may Dick have the same fate as Lee Atwater
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 12:43 PM by alyce douglas
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