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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:20 PM
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Woman Gives Birth Under Torture: Homeland Security Hell
Woman Gives Birth Under Torture: Homeland Security Hell
by thinkbridge
Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 11:21:23 AM PDT

* A woman, three days before delivery of her fourth AMERICAN child, was wrongly arrested and incarcerated.

* Her water broke while she was in jail; she was transported to Metro General Hospital.

* When the nurse asked her to undress to get into hospital clothes, the sheriff's guard was asked to leave for the moment. He -- yes, he -- refused. So she had to undress in front of him. I don't know about your culture, but in the Mexican culture and Mexican-American culture, that is a highly offensive affront to our women, no to mention our mothers.

* Then, while in labor, she was handcuffed by her wrist and ankle to the bed. I've seen women in labor, and they constantly are shifting positions to try and get some sense of relief, if that is even possible. Now consider the pain if handcuffs prevented your movement.

* Thankfully, the handcuffs were taken off two hours before she delivered. But then she was restrained again in bed a day later. And every trip to the bathroom required leg shackles. When the nurse strongly objected, the sherrif's department stayed absolute. The nurse said the new mother would not be able to clean herself properly with shackles. The sheriff's guard said it didn't matter; he was doing his job.

more at:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/21/142123/696/114/554145
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:30 PM
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1. It's standard procedure in prisons
She got the same treatment any american woman in jail would get in this country if they were in labor, by the way. It really doesn't have to do so much with her being an illegal immigrant. The same thing would happen to her if she were american.

Absolutely crazy though. I mean seriously. Leg shackles?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:46 PM
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20. This Woman Was Accused of No Criminal Wrong Doing
A misdemeanor + traffic offense.
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:39 AM
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33. I have heard of lots of incidents like this in U.S. Prisons

The leg shackles and handcuffs are stupid. If you've given birth, or have a partner who's given birth, you know a woman on delivery day ain't going anywhere, and even if she tried, she sure as hell wouldn't be very fast about it.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:33 PM
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2. Its about the promise of Federal dollars ...
DU Post: Immigrant, Pregnant, Is Jailed Under (Federal->State ICE) Pact

Mrs. Villegas’s arrest has focused new attention on a cooperation agreement signed in April 2007 between federal immigration authorities and Davidson County, which shares a consolidated government with Nashville, that gave immigration enforcement powers to county officers. It is one of 57 agreements, known formally as 287G, that the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency has signed in the last two years with county and local police departments across the country under a rapidly expanding program.


DU Post: States, locals swamp immigration program

States and cities that want to speed up deportations of criminals and suspects who are illegal immigrants by using a popular but controversial federal program face waiting up to three years to join the enforcement effort, because the federal government can’t keep up with the demand.

Political pressure for stricter policing of illegal immigration has propelled the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency’s 287(g) initiative from a little-noticed experiment two years ago to one of the hottest ideas for local and state officials to deal with immigration, as broader federal efforts languish.

Law enforcement ranks first as an issue in immigration-related legislation introduced on the state level as of March 2008, according to an April report of the National Conference of State Legislatures.

At the start of 2007, only eight police agencies took part in the 287(g) program; now a total of 47 police agencies in 17 states participate, with 90 more waiting to sign up. To date, more than 50,000 people have been deported or have been marked for deportation under the 287(g) program, according to ICE. More than half of those were processed since October.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:38 PM
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3. It's the brutality of patriarchy showing us who they are . . . and how desperately ....
we need a change of culture ---


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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:40 PM
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4. dropping anchors on foreign shores is not without risk
of detention and removal.

How was she WRONGLY arrested if she was discovered to be in the country illegally?

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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:51 PM
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8. She doesn't have to be treated like a dog in the process, though. nt
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:09 PM
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12. And yet we applaud our own disrespectful children being sent to military camps...
Sally Jesse, Maury, and scores of others all did it on their daytime talk shows...
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:29 PM
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18. Who is the "we"? I think there are plenty of exceptions on DU, incl. me. nt
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 10:39 AM
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32. They are not us. They are the corporate media and Maury's show in particular
is exploitative to the point of being pornographic. It's disgusting and I won't allow it to be shown in my house.

I don't know how you can watch that vile crap. Maybe they are you. They are not me.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:53 PM
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9. Wow. Really?
That's your take on this story? Interesting point of view.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:58 PM
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10. The Jews in Germany were considered legal citizens until the Nazis revoked their citizenship
I hope something similar doesn't happen to you some day.

Could be risky.

Good day.

Don
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 05:26 PM
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22. Dropping anchors?? WTF?
Let's imagine you ran a stop sign. The cops pull you over, arrest you and take you to jail in handcuffs.

That's what happened here. Coming here illegally is a civil offense, just like speeding or running a stop sign.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 07:44 PM
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28. I wasn't going to say anything, but . . .
She freakin' went into labor!!! Are you always this callous?!

Thank goodness you weren't near me when I went into labor. You might have thought I was an illegal or something and needed leg shackles and a guard with a gun. Maybe all women giving birth do, just in case they're here illegally, right? Why would a woman in labor be respected ever or ever treated as the goddess she is at that moment, regardless of the circumstances?
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:41 AM
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34. really wish the native americans had kept with that line of thought.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:41 PM
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5. I've seen murderers treated better than that
I've also seen a Jamaican posse leader who had chest pain on his way to the airport unrestrained in a cardiac unit. 2 cops were there and their hands were on their guns every time I went into the room, but he wasn't shackled.

This treatment shows an underlying hatred of women, period.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:13 PM
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14. By the guard, all men, all Americans, by whom do you speak?
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 04:14 PM by HypnoToad
I should read the article referred to by the OP in its entirety. And even then I might ask if the woman had done anything to deserve even 1/10th of what she got. Was she shackled because she posed a legitimate threat at one point ('pregnant' does not equate to 'unarmed' or 'docile') or was every ounce of treatment unwarranted?

The full picture is needed. One way or another, snippet articles lacking context are not fair.


BTW: Convicted repeat murderers deserve worse treatment than what she got.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:44 PM
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6. We treat pregnant dogs better than this. n/t
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:49 PM
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7. She should have at least had a female guard, shouldn't she?
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 03:50 PM by Ilsa
This is another example of misogyny. At least the nurses tried to do the right thing. I would have tried to lure the guard out with refreshments or something so the woman could change in private.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:01 PM
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11. Another person "on the margins". Nobody cares.
We're all safe.:sarcasm:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:11 PM
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13. Amusing. She is here illegally, every baby she pops out is, to copy the term, AMERICAN.
So if I got some women pregnant and illegally moved them to another country, would the offspring be native-born legal citizens?

(Like throwing rocks in glass houses, I believe looking at the inverse picture is equally important to the picture the article you linked to painted.)

I have no feelings one way or the other on this. Or perhaps it's ambivalence to the point both emotions cancel one another out.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:14 PM
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15. She didn't make that law.
Maybe when they are captured, they can be sterilized.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:19 PM
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16. And help resolve the world of overpopulation, never mind 'human rights'?
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 04:20 PM by HypnoToad
:popcorn:

Sorry, but people who work within the law and within the system should be entitled to human rights; human society came up with rights - animals do not. Those who don't sure as hell don't deserve treatment better than the rest of us, because they act like animals.

I know there is a valid line in terms of severity that separates an errant human from a savage animal. Hell, I don't even know what to think - everybody mentions problems, but the moment a solution is offered everybody whips out the guns and shoots everybody. (In short, I don't know if your comment about sterilization was meant to be an attempt at humor, but there are never easy solutions to any problem.)


Edit: Typo, clarification, dyslexified word replacement
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:24 PM
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17. No, it was meant to be thought provoking.
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 04:26 PM by mmonk
Dispassionate solution thinking, doing one's job, immigration law, all masks sometimes the ability to connect to other human beings with empathy. I think that (dispassion) is what makes us more in line with animals (or other species) than the ability to reason, be reasonable, or to have empathy for others.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 05:28 PM
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23. That will keep her from having any more of those anchor babies!!
Sounds like a plan!!

:sarcasm:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 05:56 PM
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24. You got my point.
We live in a society without basic human empathy. For people who have no problem with her treatment or she's illegal, therefore criminal and her treatment is of no concern, I want them to see how dispassionate approaches appear.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 05:20 PM
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21. Depends on whether the country she's in has birthright citizenship
Some do (the U.S., most European countries), some don't (Japan).
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 07:36 PM
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26. That would depend on the laws of that country. In this country, if
her children are born here, they're Americans.

(And believe me, giving birth has nothing to do with popping anything out.)
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 07:55 PM
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29. I believe that is what is stated in the Constitution....
Way to go on that human compassion, though....Uggghh!
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:44 PM
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19. Tim Chavez Is All Over This On His Blog
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 04:45 PM by Crisco
He's a former columnist from the Tennessean

http://politicalsalsa.blogspot.com/2008/07/abu-ghraib-and-guantanamo-come-to.html

No law required the department treat her like that. It was the department's policy under one man, Sheriff Daron Hall. And the treatment was more indicative of overt sexism against women than it was scorn for her ethnicity.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 07:16 PM
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25. She didn't have my nurse then. I'm sorry.
For my daughter, I had the meanest, strongest nurse around who protected me from everyone, including other nurses. I wish she'd had someone like that who would've told that asshole where he could wait with his gun. No one deserves to be treated like that. Not ever. Not for any reason.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 07:37 PM
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27. Absolutely. Well said, knitter. nt
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 09:51 PM
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30. Why are Yoo's unconstutional torture methods dripping into
police department-AKA-Homeland security? Furthermore what kind of male wants to watch a pregnant woman undress? Thirdly why didn't this Nurse call the police and have this guy removed for indecency.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 05:50 AM
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31. What a primitive society we live in, and a primitive police department.
Didn't those sheriffs' mothers teach them to respect women when they grew up? Why the hell didn't they wait outside the effing room? What psychos.

That being said, I know someone whose teenage daughter got arrested for drugs or shoplifting or soemthing, and she gave birth in shackles, to her first baby.
This culture has become despicable in its lack of respect for basic human dignity, and valueless.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-22-08 11:55 AM
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35. Illegal or not, handcuffing a fucking pregnant woman to a bed is wrong.
WRONG.

What the fuck is she going to do...waddle out of the room, leaving her child there, probably bleeding? What do the cops have to be afraid of?

And I don't give a fuck if it's standard procedure, and I have NEVER fucking cared for "just doing my job" bullshit excuses. She isn't even a goddamn danger to anyone. And having her undress before a fucking male cop......well, anyone who defends this shit is an asshole.
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