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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 07:05 AM
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So today the brave and honorable Dennis Kucinich
Will lay bare the crimes of Bush/Cheney/Satan to the world via an open forum for the first time in seven horrible years.







And not a damn thing even resembling justice will come of it.








Anyone else just feel like eating a bottle of pills and sleeping til God wakes you up?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 07:09 AM
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1. I think that
today's events will be very positive.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 07:11 AM
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2. With what result though H20 man. Do you really have hope this will lead to something?
Your opinion is a valued commodity to DU H2O by all means talk me down if you can.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 07:21 AM
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6. The Power of Ideas.
It is true that the Congress will not support impeachment. In fact, the democratic leaders who are responsible for insuring the rule of law have betrayed their oath of office. So I do not view that as a factor today.

Instead, I am focused on the positive: there are going to be rational voices, speaking the truth. They will be communicating the truth to the fullest extent that they can, under the circumstances. And that's a good thing.

The corporate media will, of course, either ignore or twist the truth that is spoken today. But there are a growing number of Americans who "get their news" from other sources, especially the internet. Recently, in fact, TIME had an article that noted this, though they tried to discredit the internet; they did not print my LTTE regarding the example of DU's coverage of the Plame scandal, vs the corporate media's -- including the curious role played by TIME.

More and more Americans are rejecting the social novocaine and sleeping pills administered by the media and elected officials. People are waking up. And when they do, they step up -- hence, I will not attempt to talk you down, but rather encourage you to view the hearing as a pick-up.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 07:14 AM
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3. Today will lay the foundation of the Prosecution.
Whether it come in the form of Impeachment, Criminal Prosecution or ICC charges. And, whether they come this year, next year or in 2020.

This is a necessary first step, and will be a success in its own right.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 07:17 AM
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4. Great, but who will prosecute?
Our Justice Department is a little tied up, what with being accomplices and all.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 07:23 AM
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7. As Vincent Bugliosi
has pointed out, any state's attorney -- or even "local" DA -- can prosecute George W. Bush. It may sound unlikely, but as the example of Jim Garrison shows, it is a very real possibility.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 07:26 AM
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8. Well we see how far Garrison got
Sorry, just on a pessimistic trip today. Time for a Xanax methinks.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 09:20 AM
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11. Two things:
{1} It is worth considering the difference in the way the American public viewed the Warren Commission's report before and after Mr. Garrison's attempts. Of course, the Zapruder film being shown publicly played a large role in the change in public perception. (The House Committee would reach a conclusion very different from that of the WC.)

{2} Mr. Garrison was not as talented (or as honest) a prosecutor as Vincent Bugliosi. Two weeks ago, Mr. Bugliosi sent a copy of his book, along with a cover letter offering his services, to each of the 50 state's attorneys.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 09:23 AM
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12. Good points H20
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 07:21 AM
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5. These hearings will have repercussions
They lay the groundwork for what is to come, I think. For one thing, if it is decided to go after these criminals at a later date, they cannot say that it was done for political reasons and that we waited until they were out of power to do it, which would be a craven thing to do. This effort also shows the world that Americans aren't all total idiots.

I also think that it could very well hold Bush in check from starting anything in Iran, for if he did, I could see the procedure going to the House and Senate rather rapidly.

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 07:31 AM
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10. Not Craven...Sadly Practical
Right now there's zero chance of a conviction...no matter how overwhelming the evidence. And without a conviction, it will be portrayed this regime is vindicated for its crimes...a fate I think is the worst of all possible outcomes. It would prevent any further inquiry and the pressure to "move along" will be great and many of the real criminals will sneak off into the night.

Congressman Conyers has spoken about DeFacto Impeachment...one done in a far different day and light. After 1/20/09 this regime will be gone (I hope, I hope) and with it will be the huge stone walls of Executive privilidge that have prevented Conyers, Waxman and others from being able to get the testimony and evidence that can back up the charges. We have the smoke, not the smoking guns...and that there's no way of getting them now while this regime can hide and pardon its way out of any responsibility or accountability. I know it's frustrating...but "we are where we are"...the thing we have to be on guard for is this regime attempting to do some form of pre-emptive pardon/amnesty/immunity. The deal is the less of this regime's people who are indicted at this point, the less chance junior has to Scooter them.

The game here is to get as many Democrats elected in November...large majorities in both houses that will allow for an accounting to happen. There'll be a need for an Independent Prosecutor selected who can go after all the crimes...removing both partisan and political elements and finally get those smoking guns and crimes out in the open...then let's talk about articles of impeachment as well as war crimes and other forms of civil and criminal litigation. Time can be the avenger here.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 07:30 AM
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9. Ok, I didn't eat a bottle of pills
But I ate a couple of the good ones. I'm ready. In about an hour, a meteor could hit my car and I wouldn't care.
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