Are Americans too embarrassed to admit their pres. & v.p. are WAR CRIMINALS?

Is THAT why they're getting away with it?

I know I am. It's a short walk from shame to denial. :shrug:

I'm embarrassed by it too but I live in today

Hell, I think the truth is, most du'murikkkans could give
a crap as long as they can keep shopping and going to
nascar events.

BHN

It's central in what the local media talks about in Southern California.

We can't really expect more from them...can we? :shrug:

have not a clue or don't give a shit as to the total devastation and carnage we inflict on others or don't want to be bothered: besides, 3,000 were killed on American soil, so who cares how many million we kill or maim or even if those killed and maimed were not responsible? Didn't even the Germans in WWII take just a 100-to-one reprisal? Regret sounding so cynical, but what other logical conclusions can be drawn, what better spin can be given, considering what has come down holistically in the last five or six years? :P

Edited to add not

We're above the usual restraints placed on civilized society.

See "Deutschland Uber Alles" for the precedent.

And, don't forget the flag pin while humming "God Bless America".

don't want to bring down the hammer on the administration because in some ways it is perceived as self immolation...they would be contributing to an outing of our country and more specifically they would be bringing to light how broken our government and election system has been.

wiggs

If your election system, and your government are so broke, then it is IMPORTANT for everyone to se it, and work together to fix it. US can't possible believe they can live in deny about how your system are. And still be a heal ty democracy?.. Yes I still se US as an country with democracy. Even that I also se that after 8 year with mr Bush much of the systems who once was given US one of the most steadfast democracy in the world have been hurted behind recognition.. But I do believe, and I do believe that if american's itself are realizing what happened, and are open about it, and work hard to repair what is broke, then US once again can be recognized as one of the real democracy in the world again..

The world Need USA, as USA need the rest of the world. Together we, who are democratic can build, and maintain this marvelous system we are calling democracy.... But that means that even US have to admit that they sometimes are wrong. And that YOUR system have it flaws.. Maybe a Parliamentarian system would be better than the current two party government you have today... We in Europe have it for the most part, and it work pretty vell..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

that's for sure. I think that Obama being in Europe this week has reminded me that other empires have fallen, and seem to have come out for the better. One can only hope.

stillcool47

It was many european empires, like Germany, The Austrian-Hungarian Empire. France was once also a big empire.. And then we have the Roman Empire, who maybe be little old now, it is more than 1500 year since the last part of the empire was goon.. Even that the Byzantium Empire to the year 1453 (it is in fact 555 year since Constantinople was taken by the ottomans this year) existed for more than a 1000 year after the Western part was taken over.. And we se the reminders after the empire everywhere too...

And yes, many of the great former empires in Europe work pretty well today also, and I would guess that they have it better today, when they are not using so much money to hold together empires who was doomed for many reason..

I am not sure what you in the US should do. But I do hope one thing. That you are working hard to restore the democracy who once was the hallmark of your country. You can't just say, because of a new president, if it is Obama who got the presidency after the vote that everything is Ok. You have to REALLY work to get a overhaul over your whole government.. And try to fix it before it grown into something you american can't controll...

But if you managed to elected Obama as your president, it would definitely be a road in the right direction. Even that I am not that sure that he would listen to us, as like partner... American President can be very difficult that way,America first you know.. And he i right in that we in Europe have to take more responsibility for our own safely. AND we can do more. But you can't find a political person in Europe, who want, or dear to say that we have to use so much more money as US are doing. That political person would be "dead" political speaking before he was down of the podium.. Europe have much to work with in the Eastern European country, and I would not believe that the billions of money you every year is using, just on your military...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

the other side of the aisle as colleagues, as fellow partners in the same business. And I think they all share a common background, for the most part, of privilege, friends in high places, business connections, etc. We've been hoping that our democratic leaders would represent us faithfully by challenging the corruption and deceipt and arrogance of the administration and GOP...but I think they are too friendly, too entrenched in the power system...and I think that calling attention to corruption in government is hard for them because in a sense they are casting shadows on their own professions and on their own country. It's not right, but this must be a part of what's happening. It's a mystery, really.

I understand GOP behavior a lot more than I understand dem behavior over the last seven years.

So, no.

Embarrassment require acknowledgment of the problems - voter fraud, apathy, corruption, to name a few. It's so much easier to look the other way. Don't ask questions. Pretend it all never happened and hope it disappears. They'll keep getting away with it until Americans are willing to face the truth behind the illusion.

I bet we can go lower.

And we are all too freaking distracted with being able to fill up with gas to go to work to get the money to buy the food to eat.

My first words when I found out that "W" got a second term was "American people have elected a WAR CRIMINAL as president!" Most people in Vermont (my home state) want "W" and Cheney impeached...Many people in the heart of the West Coast's Largest Black Population in Los Angeles also want him impeached and tried in the Hague. I want to see the whole crowd of them perp walk there! I write and I protest and I bitch and sign every impeachment document I can!

What others do or think I can not say... I just throw up at lack of impeachment progress! By the by, my state representative, Diane Watson, signed with others to push it toward the House Judiciary Committee and she is still fighting to get it heard.

Nancy Pelosi is the speaker of the house and stands to be implicated along with the authorizing torture aspect of it.

They will stop getting away with it when someone stands up to them, and not a minute before.