Five-Year-Old Accused Of Sexually Assaulting 4-Year-Olds

Police in Chillicothe are investigating two 4-year-old boys sexually assaulted and police believe a 5-year-old boy, who was their friend, is responsible for the acts.

Police said the case involves sexual acts and the 4-year-old boys were assaulted in separate incidents while over visiting at the 5-year-old boy's house. While disturbing, police said it provides an important message to parents.

Police are holding back a lot of details as they look into the parents of the 5-year-old and if there are more victims.

As most parents probably know, young kids sometimes make-up or exaggerate stories, but police said nothing that comes out of their mouth should be ignored.

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unless he/she had been a victim?

What a horrible story. I hope it isn't as bad as it sounds.

sexual assault? I don't THINK a 5 YO is capable of doing what we normally think of.

after Ohio. Some parts of that State are home to some pretty outrageous people with very different ideas than the rest of the world.

in Mo and Ill too!

Some 5 year-old kids are certainly capable of that business.

I worked with child predators. They were all 10-13 when they were under my supervision but several of them had been active in their predatory actions since they were five. They preyed on both girls and boys, and were dangerously deceitful in their actions. Very charming and likable when on their best behavior, terrifying when they were not. Most of these children had been sexually abused from birth.

They were all sad situations, but a good argument that all women should not be mothers and all men should not have access to children. :grr:

And that because this involved all boys, parents were simply scared of the "gay" issue. Would parents be reacting the same way if it was a 5 year old boy and girl playing "doctor"?

But the police are still withholding some information so, who knows?

I know we certainly were.

I have taught elementary school for nearly 30 years. You would be amazed by what I have seen and heard.

I have been sexually aware as long as I can remember. Literally. My earliest memories, from age 3 or 4, are sexual. I like women a LOT more than I like men. I could tell you more, but then I would have to kill you. :)

Yeah, I had erections when I was four. They weren't very impressive, and nor are they now. Hung like a hamster - that's me.

I have masturbated for as long as I can remember (which is back to when I was three or four). So those who disagree with me by calling me a wanker are correct in their categorization of my sexual behavour but not necessarily in anything else.

That said, even when I suffered from satyriasis in my late teenw, there were limits on who I lusted over, and 5-year-olds (of whatever sex) didn't do it for me. I fancied women who were over the age of consent - not because I knew anything about the legalities but because those were the women who appealed to me.

I was naive about this also before, but now I know what they can do. I also know that some ten year old are capable of almost as much as men abusers are, and I would not have thought that. Child predators are out there and we (as parents) are not as careful with other children as we are with adults. It is scary some times what dangers really lie in this world for children.

I admit to being mighty curious at that age (and later), so if he was looking/exploring/playing doctor, that's one thing, but if it was a true assault, then he likely was abused himself. Kids that age don't just make this stuff up - they absorb it from some experience they had.

seek to 'experiment'.

I'm betting that this kid was molested.

By whom? Who knows.

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and works nights.

I could tell you stories. LOL

And kids get up at night to watch the stuff on cable. Sorry, in my line of work kids talk to me about this all the time.

or else you are a religious prude parent yada yada yada....

You're joking, right?

it is the validation of all this shit, being thrown not only at all of us but including our children and in order to not have prohibitions then there must be NO restrictions. there seems to be the mind set that there cannot be the middle of the road.

you will often hear, what is worse for kids, all the violence or sex. as if it is a simple sexual encounter of two respectful adults in a healthy manner. firstly that is rarely the sex we are given and secondly......... neither. not sex or violence. neither are kid appropriate. but you will have the vast majority of poster stating that violence is bad but sex, .... normal, healthy, kids should learn, not hide from kids and all the other crap as our porn and xxx is supplied to our children.

BUT, if a parent choices to addresss the issue of how it is not appropriate for child to experience the adult sexual world and there are problems in what we are feeding our children today, that adult is then dismissed with fundie, prude, puiritan.

it doesn't mean uncompromisingly permissive, just more flexible and understanding.

I'm not arguing with you, I think I'm agreeing.

I'm a parent, and although I am more flexible that some "conservative" parents, I still set boundaries.

There's a time and age-appropriate place for everything. It's not easy being a parent, and mistakes need to be tolerated, but you need to put up a basic structure for your child to live within.

You (not meaning you) want to let your kids run wild, go for it, but you'll pay the price down the road. It's far easier to teach them when they're young than to try to retrofit them later.

The difference is the definition of 'assault' and 'molestation'.

When they make intimidating expressions or lunge at your good parts, that's assault.

If they cajole you into 'experimenting', especially when they get you to do it to others, it's molestation.

I hope they find the person(s) who abused that 5 year old and exterminate them.

That's the appropriate way to address the issue. They'll find out in counseling if there are any actual indicators of abuse in the life of the 5 year old. As you note, children sexually explore, and this may be that, or may be something serious.

I am more concerned that normal childhood behaviors are being labelled crimes than just about anything a five year old might have done.

Kids who have been sexually abused act out what has been done to them.

Most kids who sexually explore were not sexually abused by anyone.

It is therefore NOT appropriate to presume sexual abuse when a child engages in such, unless they show specific knowledge of things such as (1) oral sex or (2) actual intercourse.

There is a wealth of information by reputable child specialists who support this point of view, including Barry Brazelton. It's dangerous and unwarranted to presume sexual abuse every time one kid plays doctor with another. Unless there is physical evidence of penetration, or some indicator that sexual abuse is involved, not overreacting to sexual exploration by youngsters is the best response.

what they look like - butts, boobs, penises, whatever.

Kids of that age do not normally know what those things are used for (sexually, I mean). They know that certain things exist (e.g.: a butt) and are curious to see them and compare, but that's a whole different world from masturbating in front of your mother.

I betcha dollars to donuts this kid was abused at some point in his life.

I think that means it was more than innocent exploration. I teach in MO. Getting DFS to investigate anything is a chore. So their involvement tells me there is something to this.

That's an appropriate response. Putting it in the news is not, however.

I think you're reading far too much into the tea leaves. You suspect abuse because you're inclined to suspect abuse. Until there are solid indicators learned by actual professionals, I'll continue to conclude it's normal childhood behaviors, as it is most of the time. It's very dangerous to always conclude sexual activity means sexual abuse, and it's a common error.

That's the protocol followed in the state. If the police are called first, they call DFS and DFS investigates then refers the case to the police if warranted.

I also wonder who contacted the media.

I think it would have been best if no media had occurred until they know for sure there was abuse, and there may be.

If this boy learned it from a 6 year old, that's one thing. If he learned it from his priest, that's another. Hopefully, we will know soon. I simply hate to see little kids labeled as sex abusers unless we KNOW they are abusers.

Just because the police get involved doesn't mean something happened. I would like to remind everyone of the case involving Raoul Wuethrich, the 11 year old Swiss boy in Colorado who was arrested and shackled for supposedly molesting his sister. His family ended up leaving the U.S. in disgust and the case was eventually dropped. Many people in this country, especially in the backwards states, have a really disturbed relationship to sexuality. That is not to say there is no problem in this specific case, but I would wait until the investigation is completed before accusing anyone of inappropriate behavior. Something like that can ruin a person's life.

But you and I both know it happens a lot.

I know you are aware of this. Sorry to piggyback you but there are so many myths about kids and sex abuse.

Only took how many posts for this to be said?????

FACT: abused children act out

FACT: non abused children commonly sexually experient with kids about their own age

FACT: the second group is much, much larger than the first group

FACT: overreacting to children's sexual exploration is a terrible response

FACT: even in instances of actual abuse, overreacting is very unhealthy for the child abused

Each matter comes down to rationally and without prejudice finding out what really happened, and then finding out whether any actual abuse is taking place. Once actual abuse is determined, then is the time to deal with the effects of such abuse.

Sexual play by children is more likely to be natural exploration than to be the result of abuse.

It happened to one of my nieces in a preschool program about 20 years ago. The girl was about 2 1/2 years old, and complained to her mother about pain in the genital area. The mother took her to a doctor, who found some corroborating evidence. The kid told him that a boy in the daycare center had done it. The doctor called Child Protective Services, and they were on the family's doorstep in less than half an hour. They interrogated the entire family, and my niece told them that the boy had assaulted her with a plastic carrot from the toy food bin.

We don't know what happened with the boy due to privacy laws. But the preschool (which was a child development center run by a large university) said there was insufficient evidence that the boy was guilty of anything, and refused to have him removed from the program. My brother thinks they were idiots to keep that boy there and refuse to protect his daughter. However I suspect that the university did not want to kick the boy out because it might have meant admitting liability. The whole situation was frustrating because a lot of people were more concerned about covering their own behinds instead of protecting my niece. Her parents pulled her out of the preschool and became very protective for many years. I can't blame them.

Children sexually explore, but if they pick up an object like the toy carrot and insert it in another child, that strongly suggests the child doing so has gained that knowledge by observing an adult, or by being abused himself.

The boy should have been examined by a child psychologist, away from his parents, to determine where he learned that behavior.

insert an object into an orifice. To them it's no different than poking a stick down an anthole.

Sorry you didn't know that. Now you do.

Those experts.
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At DU, we don't usually lambaste child experts like Barry Brazelton, who represent thoughtful knowledge and experience.

Sorry if such people offend you and your quaint, homespun notions.

official voice of DU here.
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This means you're out of ammo, so you might as well run up the white flag.

Why should my niece have had to leave a preschool that she loved?

And why should she have had to continue there and see that boy every day?

Why should she have been traumatized further? After all, she was physically HURT to the point of crying, and it was corroborated by a doctor.

How do we know he wouldn't have continued to do things to her?

She's a human being, not an anthill.

Teachers do not have an option, if they see an indicator of sexual abuse. Two kids playing doctor is not an indicator of abuse. One kid sticking a toy carrot into a little girl is classic acting out behavior.

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explain them. Approaching it in a non-hysterical manner makes it easier to deal with effectively, IMO.
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non-hysterically. I worked with children with behavior problems. Children are sometimes predators as early as five years old. They are usually children that have been routinely sexually abused themselves from as early as birth. There are other children who have had similar experiences that are so socialized to sex that they are willing victims to predators. These children exist.

I also worked with children (many under the age of 13) who had also attempted murder and had no feelings of regret. In fact some of them were so dangerous that we had to search them each time they left and returned to the building because they would sneak in items they could use as weapons.

We were never hysterical when we interacted with these children. Even after they returned from a hospital stay where they sexually assaulted a little three year old, or after they returned after a brief absence following an attempt on one of our lives. We welcomed them back with open arms and never mentioned the crime they had committed. That was part of the agencies policy and we followed it.

because she wasn't safe there. As a teacher, I can't imagine how bad the lack of supervision must have been to allow a child the time and opportunity to sexually abuse another child.

In other words, where were the teachers when this incident happened?

That could have a lot to do with it

But my brother's family was unable to find out anything because of the privacy laws. I'm sure if there was something to pursue, Child Protective Services pursued it.

Because of what happened to my niece, I worked for a year for a program that teaches children tactics to protect themselves from bullying, abuse, and sexual abuse. It's called CAP (Center for Assault Prevention) and I think it is an excellent program.

link:
http://www.internationalcap.org/

sexually by his father. There were two younger brothers and they were put in separate foster care. The father was in prison and the mother lost custody because she did not protect the boys. As the 6 yr old grew up he had visits with his younger brothers, and he would try to engage in sex with them. Same thing happened when he was playing with friends from school. It wasn't like he even understood what he was doing. The psychologist said the boy was probably going to be a sex offender.

I hope he likes his new cellmate, har har har!

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And turn the bloody Playboy channel off, will ya?!

I figured someone would nail it.

No detials at link, and I wonder if we just jump to the most destructive thoughts now... wasn't geting naked at 5 just curiosity?

I spent 10 years in the juvenile justice system in Ohio. Back then - way bat in the 80's and 90's ya could not have been charged with much of anything unless you were at least 12.

This is just plain crazy...

The juvenile justice system is off the rails.

They are being investigated by the child welfare agency and all the children involved with receive counseling.

there use to be a infant/infantile law here that no child under the age of 13 could be charged with a crime. That was great until you realized that there were twelve year olds (and younger) trying to kill people and there was no way to deal with the situation. Back then (twelve years ago) they, and some older violent youths, were placed in residential homes that were not equipped to deal with violent charges. They could not be restrained other than with human hands, no doors could be locked, and there was no protection for others in the agencies or the communities. It became a nightmare for those of us working in this field.

They have now changed the law and there are youth locked facilities here. Do I agree with them? I don't know. I don't like seeing kiddy prisons but I didn't like having to fear constantly for my charges, my fellow workers and my self. there has to be something in between for those youths that are homicidally inclined.