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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 12:12 AM Original message |
3 Leading Political Scientists Say U.S. Media Presentation Of Election As Toss-Up Is Myth |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
1. Pollster.com agrees.... |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
2. it is really pitiful |
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jeff30997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
3. Another example of... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
4. The illusion must be maintained to provide "plausible deniability", |
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Cheap_Trick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 12:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. If they steal yet ANOTHER election |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #4 |
32. It is vital if people are to believe fraudulent results. n-t |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
38. Well you know they'd get blame, not credit, |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
43. It ain't over until the Diebold Programmers sing |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
5. But how can they steal the election if it isn't a close call? |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 01:21 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. That's it in a nutshell. n/t |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. That IS it in a nutshell. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 06:21 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. People just have to BELIEVE it's close.. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
52. I don't even think belief is required anymore. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
50. false assumption |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 06:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. In Florida, the GOP steals elections all the time that were not "close"! |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 07:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. If that was done, no Republican would ever get "elected." And they don't want that. nt |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 07:54 AM Response to Reply #5 |
27. If you want to know how, check out the OH referendum in 05. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #27 |
42. check your facts |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
35. Want to steal a landslide election? Ask the guys in Mexico how they did it. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #5 |
40. It doesn't have to be anywhere near close. They just have to *say* it's close. |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. And repeat the fiction that it is close over and over and over again... |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
45. I have two words for you. Max. Cleland. nt |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
48. Excellent point. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
6. "Senator Obama's margin has been in the 4-6 point range..." |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
44. More like 8-12 points. Here's their strategy: gas prices will fall, Surge ends, "Happy days are |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
7. Obama vs McLame, No Contest. Obama vs. the Mighty Slime Machine, A Cliffhanger! |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
8. The US media stopped telling the truth long ago, and it's only gotten |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
9. A great way to suppress the vote for Obama is tell people it's a landslide. (Fucking stupid.) |
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trashcanistanista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Excellent point. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #9 |
31. What Nut Said! |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
55. I don't know that that's true. I think that when a race is reported as being |
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diva77 (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
14. All the campaigning and polling don't matter much since the results are |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 08:10 AM Response to Reply #14 |
30. Diebold et. al. can only pull their BS when the election is colse enough to steal. |
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diva77 (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #30 |
41. I used to believe that. I no longer do. I believe that no matter what the odds |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Please see: |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
51. to whom? |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 04:19 AM Response to Original message |
15. I hope this is true, CNN et. al. still think they control things n/t |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 04:27 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. The TV Corp Media is doing this for ratings. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 04:31 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I fear that some of the super-wealthy may be trying to control the outcome... |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 04:43 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. That's pretty much my opinion on this, too. |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 06:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. case in point.... during the primary race |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 04:32 AM Response to Original message |
18. of course it is a myth |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
21. Duh! |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
22. The race must be reported as close, so no one will be surprised when it is hacked! |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #22 |
36. "don't be surprised if McCain "wins"" |
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kitfalbo (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
26. Heh |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
28. it borders on the criminal...these people (media) have the public trust and it's being abused |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
29. It's all about the advertisement money. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. I Concur Completely |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
56. Yep, there is no need to think up conspiracies when the cause is the flaws of Capitalism. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
34. Bush didn't win Ohio, NM, NC or Colorado. RNC stole those states and DNC let them do it. |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
37. the "dead horse" analogy is pretty funny |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
39. I was in Mexico for the last election, and Costa Rica when the CAFTA vote happened. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
47. If it's not close they can't steal it! MIHOP |
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fl410 (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Not really...if it doesn't APPEAR to be close, they will have a little more trouble stealing it. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-28-08 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
54. In July, every election is a toss-up. |
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