Man beheaded on Greyhound Bus in Manitoba, Canada.

Has anyone else seen this?

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/global-video/index.html?video=2805319

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/470913

Absolutely the most bizarre thing I have heard in a long time. This guy apparently, all of a sudden just jumped up and actually beheaded another guy on a bus with a Buck knife, then began to gut him like a deer...

40 year-old Vince Weiguang Li, has been charged with second-degree murder.

Friends have identified the victim of the attack as Tim McLean, a 22 year-old carnival worker from Winnipeg.

Is this a new one? Or a repost of yesterday's news?

WTF is with this?

Strange. I just did another search and got two hits.

Apologies again.

What about being charged with 1st degree murder??? What he had a valid excuse? Guy was kicking the back of his seat...snoring? What???

Thus the go with 2nd degree (unplanned) murder.

I'm not going to get that vision out of my head anytime soon. "shiver":scared:

Nobody stopped him?!

Everyone up here has a keenly-honed sense of self-preservation. Everyone except for two brave souls bailed completely, even knocking over a little old lady in the process.

We are a nation of dairy cattle...and I use the term "nation" very loosely.

We're Canadian -- I guess that makes us human.

And this particular Canadian happens to regard the actions of the initial witness passenger, the bus driver and the truck driver who stopped to help as heroic. No one else on the bus -- some of whom were children -- was injured, quite possibly because the passenger acted quickly to alert the driver, the driver stopped the bus and evacuated the passengers, and the passenger, driver and truck driver risked their safety to make sure the assailant was unable to get out of the bus, while waiting for the police.

There seems little doubt that the victim was already dead or dying by the time anyone, i.e. the lone passenger sitting in front of them who first realized what was happening, could have taken any action to stop the assault.

The RCMP spokesperson interviewed later was at a loss for the right word to describe the three men's actions. He settled on "extraordinary". I'm with him.

And I'm not entirely sure that you're with me, whether by being Canadian in fact or by being, oh, the sort of person I expect to find at this site.

Perhaps I didn't phrase this as well as I could have. I apologise for any offense I may have caused you. Thanks for not ripping my head off, as others have done.

The passenger's account particularly disturbed me - especially when he was describing the actions of others on the bus while he was asking for help. Some people are panicky, while some keep their heads. I often worry that we are becoming known as a nation of the former, rather than the latter (especially among our souther neighbours), that's all.

I was simply being true to type: polite.

I found your post every bit as stupid and obnoxious as my colleague did.

And if you didn't, FUCK YOU!!!!

Still, I can't remember the last time I was propositioned by a Swede...

:rofl:

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Neither my size nor parentage is germane to the discussion at hand.

If you have something other than childish insults to add to the discussion, have at it.

If not, kindly STFU, please.

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I KNOW that I would have been one of those who helped, rather than panicked, though.

Judge not, my friend...and I use the term "friend" very loosely.

And you might wanna check the expiration date on your milk there, pal, I think it's way past sour.

:mad:

I wouldn't have posted it, otherwise. Senseless violence and death should bother everyone.

I'll admit that most anyone would be a little intimidated when confronted by a knife-wielding murderer. It bothers me, however, that more people did not help the brave three who kept the murderer st bay on the bus, and that other passengers knocked down an old lady in their panic to flee the scene.

It kind of reminds me of a couple of years ago when a guy was beaten to death on a Calgary bus while onlookers did nothing.

I would say more, but I am sure others would just take more offense.

There's more than one reason this milk is sour.

I was six years old when I saw one of my best friends (also 6) get run over and killed by a bus. He was no more than four feet from me, at the time.

RIP, Willy.

who feel many on the bus acted with heroism. I know it's difficult to find any positive in this story, but when I about think how many more might have suffered if those on the bus hadn't acted as they did ...

...you, me included, can never know and God willing never will know just how we'd react in such a horrific situation. A knife wielding man completely out of the blue repeatedly stabs a total stranger to death and then beheads him. And depending on if you believe some of the reports...cannibalizes him. How can any of us possibly know for sure that we wouldn't be so out of our minds with fear or in a state of complete and utter shock...that we'd be able to function in any way other than on pure animal instinct...to get the hell out of there. I would sure hope that if I was ever tested in any way even remotely close to the one those other bus riders were...I might act heroically. I'd like to think so, absolutely. I would hope so, but until and unless I ever find myself faced with such a life and death choice, I can never know the answer. None of us can. Thank God for the few people who did try to help and stop the madman, shame on anyone who pushed the elderly or infirm out of the way to escape, but really...to talk about this incident as being indicative of how Canadians are...is both ridiculous and offensive. My dad was an average Canadian who did both good and bad at times in his life, not once but twice saved a life. In both instances he could have stood idly by and done nothing. In both instances if he had done so, a person would have surely died. One would have burned to death, another would have bled to death. But both are alive today. Because my dad stepped in. When he didn't have to. I suspect there are a hell of a lot more people, a hell of a lot more Canadians, like my dad, who despite their own human failings have had the basic human decency to rise to do great things once, or twice, in their lives.

Wasnt the guy who did the Virginia Tech shootings named Wu Li ? Cousins?

Li's a pretty common name (the most common according to Wiki): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_Chinese_surnames

He's severed the social contract in the most grievous and sick way...He needs to stay at a mental hospital for the rest of his life with no ability to get out. Once a person does something like that, there is no way he can be let out amongst people again. Sadly, Canada will likely release him after 15 years and he'll kill again.

that I, here in Canada with long experience with the criminal justice system, don't?

You say: Sadly, Canada will likely release him after 15 years and he'll kill again.

Likely, he will be found not criminally responsible by reason of mental disorder, and confined subject to review. I would doubt that he will ever be regarded as suitable for release into the community, but then I don't have a crystal ball.

Come off of it! He'll never see the light of day again.

:crazy:

"Come off it"?

I'm not suggesting that he will be released. I simply have no idea what the ultimate diagnosis will be, let alone prognosis.

Bernardo was not found "not guilty by reason of insanity". He was convicted; he was criminally responsible for his acts, and he is serving the sentence.

sorry for my tone.

Seriously.

She's a freak and a half.

you've crossed a line that can't be taken back. Ever.

The video tapes hadn't been found when they made a deal with her. She was totally in on it. What a slime bucket. :puke:

She had served her sentence. So she got out.

There was an unfortunate set of circumstances in the case. The prosecution
(a) truly believed they needed her testimony to convict Bernardo, and
(b) had no idea of her own complicity in the events.

The videotapes (which his lawyer had secretly removed from the house) had not been found. And she had portrayed herself as a victim, and her story was quite believable. So they cut a deal with her which turned out to be a very bad one.

Not everything always works out for the best, this not being the best of all possible worlds.

:hi:

I think there's flat-out insane, as the buy on the bus seems to be, and then there's pure evil. Bernardo and his wife are the latter. Jesus.

plain evil. These folks were evil. The guy on the bus....he's insane.

I've never heard of anything like that before. Hope never to again.

how did he end up on the bus with a butcher knife in the first place?
That is just one sick, crazy mofo there.

however, had greyhound had some sort of screening available, metal detectors maybe, then he would not have had access to the weapon he used...granted that animal could have gone nuts on the bus and choked the man next to him, the man could have stood a fighting chance of defending himself.

I find this story deeply disturbing, and there is no one at fault here but the murderer -- not the passengers, not greyhound. The real question I have is WHY did this man do it? He must be analyzed by several psychiatrists to understand the obvious COMPLETE mental meltdown this man must have had. I find this act utterly perplexing, and I am intensely curious to know what was going through his mind when he did it. This, on my part, is of course selfish curiousity because knowing his motives will not bring back the victim, nor will it likely prevent future acts like it due to the absolute randomness of it. Just...what the HELL happened with this guy??

...That this individual was formerly a psychiatric patient SOMEWHERE - perhaps still under care, supervision or on/off medication.

I just cannot believe that any sane member of (Canadian) society could possibly commit a crime this horrific.

employee by his most recent employer, the Edmonton Sun. Many conflicting accounts about what kind of a person he was outwardly speaking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendigo

The term "Windigo psychosis" (also spelled many other ways, including "Wendigo psychosis" and "Witiko psychosis") refers to a condition in which sufferers developed an insatiable desire to eat human flesh even when other food sources were readily available,<14> often as a result of prior famine cannibalism;<15> Windigo psychosis is identified by Western psychologists as a culture-bound syndrome, though members of the aboriginal communities in which it existed believed cases literally involved individuals turning into Wendigos. Such individuals generally recognized these symptoms as meaning that they were turning into Wendigos, and often requested to be executed before they could harm others.<16> The most common response when someone began suffering from Windigo psychosis was curing attempts by traditional native healers or Western doctors. In the unusual cases when these attempts failed, and the Wendigo began either to threaten those around them or to act violently or anti-socially, they were then generally executed.<17> Cases of Windigo psychosis, though real, were relatively rare, and it was even rarer for them to actually culminate in the execution of the sufferer.<17>

One of the more famous cases of Windigo psychosis involved a Plains Cree trapper from Alberta, named Swift Runner.<18> During the winter of 1878, Swift Runner and his family were starving, and his eldest son died. Within just 25 miles of emergency food supplies at a Hudson's Bay Company post, Swift Runner butchered and ate his wife and five remaining children.<19> Given that he resorted to cannibalism so near to food supplies, and that he killed and consumed the remains of all those present, it was revealed that Swift Runner's was not a case of pure cannibalism as a last resort to avoid starvation, but rather of a man suffering from Windigo psychosis.<19> He eventually confessed and was executed by authorities at Fort Saskatchewan.<20> Another well-known case involving Windigo psychosis was that of Jack Fiddler, an Oji-Cree chief and shaman known for his powers at defeating Wendigos. In some cases this entailed euthanizing people suffering from Windigo psychosis; as a result, in 1907, Fiddler and his brother Joseph were arrested by the Canadian authorities for murder. Jack committed suicide, but Joseph was tried and put to death.<21>

Fascination with Windigo psychosis among Western ethnographers, psychologists, and anthropologists led to a hotly debated controversy in the 1980s over the historicity of this phenomenon. Some researchers argued that Windigo psychosis was essentially a fabrication, the result of naïve anthropologists taking stories related to them at face value.<22> Others, however, pointed to a number of credible eyewitness accounts, both by Algonquians and by Westerners, as proof that Windigo psychosis was a factual historical phenomenon.<23>

The frequency of Windigo psychosis cases decreased sharply in the 20th century as boreal Algonquian people came in to greater and greater contact with Western ideologies and more sedentary, less rural lifestyles.<24> While there is substantive evidence to suggest that Windigo psychosis did exist, a number of questions concerning the condition remain unanswered.

I later started to research China and famine cannibalism and found this book on the subject:
http://www.amazon.com/Scarlet-Memorial-Tales-Cannibalism-Modern/dp/0813326168

Of course this is wild speculation on my part and I assume Li was suffering from psychosis, but I wonder if something in his past also played a role in the nature of this vicious crime?