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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:05 AM
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Scientists Question FBI Probe On Anthrax
vins Could Not Have Been Attacker, Some Say
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/02/AR2008080201632.html?hpid=topnews

For nearly seven years, scientist Bruce E. Ivins and a small circle of fellow anthrax specialists at Fort Detrick's Army medical lab lived in a curious limbo: They served as occasional consultants for the FBI in the investigation of the deadly 2001 anthrax attacks, yet they were all potential suspects.

Over lunch in the bacteriology division, nervous scientists would share stories about their latest unpleasant encounters with the FBI and ponder whether they should hire criminal defense lawyers, according to one of Ivins's former supervisors. In tactics that the researchers considered heavy-handed and often threatening, they were interviewed and polygraphed as early as 2002, and reinterviewed numerous times. Their labs were searched, and their computers and equipment carted away.

The FBI eventually focused on Ivins, whom federal prosecutors were planning to indict when he committed suicide last week. In interviews yesterday, knowledgeable officials asserted that Ivins had the skills and access to equipment needed to turn anthrax bacteria into an ultra-fine powder that could be used as a lethal weapon. Court documents and tapes also reveal a therapist's deep concern that Ivins, 62, was homicidal and obsessed with the notion of revenge.

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"I really don't think he's the guy. I say to the FBI, 'Show me your evidence,' " said Jeffrey J. Adamovicz, former director of the bacteriology division at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases, or USAMRIID, on the grounds of the sprawling Army fort in Frederick. "A lot of the tactics they used were designed to isolate him from his support. The FBI just continued to push his buttons."

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:08 AM
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1. I'm glad the Press is at least attempting to look into this Hypocrisy


The story just doesn't add up except if you want to put into a propaganda washing machine
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:08 AM
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2. NPR had audio of some of them:
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:11 AM
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3. I'm not buying into the therapist / notes story at all
Too easy to slam the guy after he is already dead
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 01:45 AM
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5. And they are pushing that story HARD-
"FREDERICK, Md. - Bruce E. Ivins, the late microbiologist suspected in the 2001 anthrax attacks, had attempted to poison people and his therapist said she was "scared to death" of him, according to court testimony that emerged Saturday."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080803/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/anthrax_scientist

Go read it at the link.
Full of shit, I call.

ESPECIALLY if you read his colleague's blog.
Dr. Meryl Nass.
She aint buying the bull shit either.

BHN
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 06:49 AM
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10. Headline banner on my city's newspaper's front page...
I've never seen such a job of railroading...
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 06:12 AM
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8. That therapist is either criminally incompetent or a liar.
"As far back as the year 2000, has actually attempted to murder several other people, through poisoning," she said "He is a revenge killer, when he feels that he's been slighted . . . especially towards women. He plots and actually tries to carry out revenge killings," she told a judge.

She described a July 9 group therapy session in which Ivins allegedly talked of mass murder."

In just about any state, you can force a person into a mental institution if they are a danger to themselves or others.

Admitting, in group therapy no less, that you have plots and plans for mass murder would be very good evidence to use to force someone into an institution. Why didn't she take action? She is full of crap.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 08:34 AM
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12. I think the FBI fed her the info on Ivins.
They scared the shit out of her, offered her no protection, and even after the suspect threatened random killings, they failed to keep him institutionalized. The guy was unstable and should have been picked up for his own protection. It stinks! I read somewhere that Ivins accepted a plea deal two hours before he was found. His lawyer says no, but I wonder if he was going to name others or provide a statement? No matter how it happened, they wanted him dead.
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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 05:41 PM
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15. well said. good point
i hope this becomes part of the story.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:41 AM
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4. Am I allowed to say Gee, I feel really safe if this is how long it takes
...the FBI to move on a non-moving suspect? Over six years and they were only just about to charge Ivins, when oops! he happens to kill himself.

bin Laden MUST be dead...from boredom, waiting for our clever government to catch up to him.

Hi Agent Mike! :hi:

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 01:48 AM
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6. Spot the disinformation! It's WaPo, so you know something's fishy.
I nominate this sentence:

"The FBI eventually focused on Ivins, whom federal prosecutors were planning to indict when he committed suicide last week."

I would re-write is thusly: The FBI eventually (six years later, under intense pressure from the Bush Junta to direct the case away from the real perps and those who gave the orders) focused on (decided on the patsy) Ivins, whom federal prosecutors were planning to indict (whom Cheney & co. got federal prosecutors to say they were going to indict, after their operatives stuffed the Tylenol down his throat) when he committed suicide (was 'suicided') last week.

Bad, bad, fascist, lying, Bushite editors/reporters present three highly questionable assertions in this sentence as fact: 1) That the FBI actually wanted to solve this case and were proceeding normally ("eventually focused on..."); 2) That federal prosecutors "were planning to indict" Ivins (haven't they been following the DoJ scandal, for chrissake? --where is the evidence for what "federal prosecutors" were "planning")?; and 3) that Ivins "committed suicide" (no autopsy! --and, if it was pressured suicide, how dare they blithely write that off as Ivins' sole action?).

They write an article that SEEMS to question the Bushite story, but slip in the Bushite story as if it had been established with credible evidence. This is not just bad journalism. This is DISINFORMATION.

I won't go to their goddamned fascist web site to see what ELSE they slipped in. Someone else can dig it out. I'm with Mike Malloy. ("Did I tell you how much I hate these people?!")

And any Democrat who wasn't personally (s)elected by Diebold & brethren, and who dares to stick his or head above ground, can expect the same treatment that Ivins got--and Seigelman, and Spitzer, and Leahy and Daschle for that matter (the envelopes), and David Kelly, and Brigadier General Tinsley, and God knows how many others. That's the situation.
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 12:09 AM
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18. Gary Webb
the San Jose Mercury News reporter who wrote the "Dark Alliance" newspaper series and book. It was about cocaine smuggled into Los Angeles and turned into crack; with the profits funneled back to the Contras.

This was 1996, pre-Bush, but it was another CIA exposure.

Gary Webb committed suicide by shooting himself twice in the head.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 05:15 AM
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7. I predict Jeffrey J. Adamovicz will be committing suicide in months to come...
...call it a "hunch".
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 06:27 AM
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9. FBI tactics
"were designed to isolate him from his support. The FBI just continued to push his buttons."

Hmmmm


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 06:50 AM
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11. That lines up with the post from Nightwatcher
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:08 AM
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13. The FBI has seized the local library's computers.
If the case is closed, I wonder what they're looking for?????? Could they fear he published something on the WWW? Perhaps something implicating others.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 11:38 AM
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14. That seems odd in that a local library usually has so many
filters that real searches and correspondence is hampered
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:57 PM
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16. Just what the hell do scientists know?
Who do they think they are, second-guessing the honorable Robert Mueller's honorable FBI?

"Show me the evidence"??? What is this, the Kennedy Administration?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:01 PM
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17. Bruce Ivins sure has a lot in common with Lee Oswald.
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