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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:25 PM
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Wait! You might not want to eat that...
For years, snack makers fought a California suit to cut back levels of the cancer-causing chemical acrylamide.

David Lazarus, Consumer Confidential
August 6, 2008


California Atty. Gen. Jerry Brown announced last week that he'd settled lawsuits against leading makers of potato chips and French fries over levels of a cancer-causing chemical in their products.

At first blush, this looked like a laudable example of the public and private sectors working together to safeguard consumers. In reality, it was a textbook illustration of how companies all too often have to be dragged screaming and kicking to do the right thing.

"That's a fair description of what happened here," said Ed Weil, the supervising deputy attorney general who oversaw the case.

"We had to fight tooth and nail with these people. It was very frustrating."

The lawsuit centered on a chemical called acrylamide, which has been listed as a cancer-causing substance in California since 1990. Acrylamide is used industrially for sewage treatment.

According to the state's Office of Environmental Hazard Assessment, "a number of scientific studies indicate that acrylamide can cause cancer in laboratory animals, and available information suggests that acrylamide is likely to cause cancer in humans."


More at link:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-lazarus6-2008aug06,0,1599257.column
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:29 PM
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1. Ewww.
:hi:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:32 PM
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4. ....
:hi:
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:30 PM
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2. People cringe when Andrew Zimmerman eats a grub in Thailand
yet we eat crap like that. We've been taught that margarine is a "food", we eschew fresh for convenient packaging and even the fresh vegetables are barely recognizable.

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:32 PM
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3. This is true...
I'm most grateful to Jerry Brown for his vigilance...

That's what we're paying him for!

:hi:
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:07 PM
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12. I've seen Justine Shapiro do a shot of cobra blood in Viet Nam.
On Lonely Planet.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:44 PM
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5. Thanks Peggy
I think... :popcorn: Time to switch to popcorn?
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:01 PM
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9. My dear BushDespiser12...
You're welcome!

Maybe time for popcorn...if it's air-popped...:shrug:

:hi:
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:49 PM
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6. Heh...I wonder how many people read this...
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 08:49 PM by tjwash
...and their first reaction is "damn, I sure would like me some potato chips right now."

I remember the mad cow scare, and how the sales of fast food hamburgers went up immediately after. I'm kind of lucky; I don't have a sweet tooth, and can't even remember of the last time I had anything deep fried.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:55 PM
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7. I like your kitty
Steam or broil or raw - only way to go.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:16 PM
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14. That's actually the neighbors cat...she's pals with our dog.
nt
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:58 PM
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8. As much as I don't trust the food industry to do me any favors,
acrylamide is a complex problem.

One, no one yet knows just how much is too much. When they say it causes cancer in animals, that's at crazy high dosages. People working in industry with the chemical, inhaling it most frequently, can suffer from that exposure, but most people aren't going to get it from eating foods.

Two, acrylamide is found in many foods other than just 'junk' foods. It's found in dried fruit (especially dried pears and prunes) for example and roasted almonds, as well as coffee. In coffee, the initial attempt to reduce the acrylamide levels have also resulted in an inferior brew. Now coffee is supposed to have some antioxidant properties as well, so you can see how complex this is getting, weighing gains and losses.

The food industry, or at least the food science industry, has actually taken a preemptive strategy overall (worldwide), and has conducted research in finding out how to reduce acrylamide levels. In fries, for example, cooking at slightly lower temperatures and simply soaking the spuds in water reduced the levels.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:03 PM
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10. My dear riverdeep...
The complexity doesn't surprise me...

I think that Jerry Brown and his allies are just trying as best they can to fight the obvious problem.

More research, much more, needs to be done...

And this move (reducing the levels) is just what can be done now...

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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:06 PM
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11. Oh abstract supreme being, what is going to give me cancer this week?
:P
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:10 PM
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13. My dear arcadian...
I'll have cancer-causing topics this week, for $800, Alex!

:hi:
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:18 PM
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15. For $800, Peggy, "The municipality of Times Beach Mo. sprayed this on it's roads to keep dust down".
"...the municipality of Times Beach Mo. sprayed this on it's roads to keep dust down". *que Jeopardy music*
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:22 PM
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16. Dioxin
:scared:


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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:25 PM
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17. Correct, but you did not answer in the form of a question.
:P
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:25 PM
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18. Oh, yeah! Now I remember....
We just banned acrylamide for spraying on roads here in Ontario, Canada for keeping dust down.

I wondered where I'd heard that chemical name before.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 05:51 PM
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22. Be careful not to confuse acrylamide and polyacrylamide ...
I believe it is the polymer that is sprayed to reduce dust. It does this mostly by being 'hygroscopic', that is, it absorbs so much water from the air that it partly dissolves, becoming sticky in the process.

The monomer, acrylamide, is a very different beast.

Do you know why it was banned? I Googled for a link, got nothing.
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 08:32 PM
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23. It is a known neurotoxin in people, and found to cause cancer in animals.
The neurotoxin link is from industrial use, where people took in huge amounts. In lower levels it is thought to contribute to Alzheimer's and other mental degenerative diseases. It is currently listed as a probable human carcinogen, meaning they don't know for sure.

It all started in 2002 when Swedish researchers found acrylamide in many baked and fried foods, setting off something of a panic. Lately, the research is showing less cause for concern, as well as ways of reducing it. Some are strange like adding a little rosemary to the dough before cooking.

Check your search terms, cause I found a ton of stuff on it. Here's just two:

"Reducing Carcinogen Potential In Foods"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070402102320.htm
(on the right are several more articles)

"Acrylamide: Doubt or Danger?"
http://www.emaxhealth.com/75/1937.html



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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:03 AM
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24. I know about the monomer, thanks. I meant the polymer ... why banned? nt
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:58 AM
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25. You're right, that's much harder to find.
I did find this, but the source is questionable. Nevertheless, it does seem to make sense here.

The discovery of significant levels of acrylamide in cooked and fried foods like french fries, crackers and breakfast cereals has been widely reported in the press. Scientists speculated that acrylamide, a potent nerve toxin in humans and an endocrine disrupter that affects male reproduction and causes birth defects and cancer in animals, is somehow formed during the cooking process. These reports did not reveal the fact that acrylamide is a building block for the polymer polyacrylamide, a so-called "inert" ingredient added to herbicide mixtures to reduce spray drift and act as a surfactant. Roundup, the glyphosate herbicide made by Monsanto Corporation, is of particular concern because the herbicide interacts with the polymer. Experiments show that heat and light contribute to the release of acrylamide from polyacrylamide, and glyphosate was found to influence the solubility of polyacrylamide, so care was advised in mixing the two. Cooking or frying vegetables or grains exposed to polyacrylamide-containing herbicides releases even more acrylamide. Polyacrylamide is a "trade secret" additive in North America and information on the contents of herbicide preparations is not available to the public (www.i-sis.org.uk/acrylamide/php). So what is the public to do? Don't eat any food, especially cooked or fried food, that is not organic.


http://www.westonaprice.org/causticcommentary/cc2002fa.html
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:53 AM
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28. I remember that it was banned somewhere
I Googled it too and couldn't find anything. This was back in the mid-90's some time.

I think it had something to do with farmers protesting ANY chemical they didn't recognize.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 10:28 PM
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19. "Fear of cancer" says abstract supreme being.
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 10:29 PM by Voice for Peace
as for myself I try to eat as close to nature as possible. I figure the human body has been evolving for a long time and can handle most things that occur naturally in unprocessed foods.

But the stuff that's been created (by humans) in the past 50 years.. the body doesn't know how to deal with it, and gets sick.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 12:38 AM
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20. Soooo ...
Is THIS the stuff that helps give Twinkies a shelf life of 12+ years...?

but mmmmm, occasionally I like those Ding-Dongs & Ho-Ho's :evilgrin:

at least I make my own torlilla chips, so I know exactly how much grease I am ingesting! lol and it's canola oil, so not Too bad.

The beer to wash it all down? Well that's another story...


ya - If cancer doesn't finish me off, then global warming, ww3, mad cow, bird flu, rabies...
or some such nonsese will.


I say eat, drink & be MERRY! :party:
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 02:15 AM
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21. Of course, eat, drink and be merry!
But.....

It is worthwhile to try to avoid the most egregious dangers, now isn't it?

We are sure as heck going to die...

But let's put it off as long as possible!

:toast:
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:59 AM
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26. Too late!
Whatever it is, I've already EATED it! ;)
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:05 AM
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27. !
:thumbsup:
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