Can it literally be said that America is NOT really at war?

Philosoraptor

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Thu Aug-07-08 08:35 AM
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Can it literally be said that America is NOT really at war?

Or are we truly 'at war'? Are the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan America's wars, or are they strictly the republican's wars, or the just the war profiteer's wars? Are we really at war, technically, bona fide, virtually, literally at war?

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mikeytherat

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Thu Aug-07-08 08:39 AM
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1. Congress has not declared war, so technically we are at Police Action

or Conflict. I can't remember which.

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timtom

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Thu Aug-07-08 08:42 AM
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2. Technically, the illegal counterfeit administration

has involved us in illegal invasions and occupations. The rest is mere semantics and "not worth a Continental".

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Orsino

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Thu Aug-07-08 08:57 AM
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7. Yep. Kills people just as dead as war, and is at least as expensive...

...but "war" is supposed to mean something different in America. It's supposed to be violence which a majority of Congress signs onto in a formal declaration. The entity on whom they might have declared war no longer exists. So it's not war, even if it is.

Pay no attention to those Congressmen behind the curtain, voting to continue funding the UnWar they were afraid to declare.

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unhappycamper

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Thu Aug-07-08 08:42 AM
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3. Both of the 'wars' are in the occupation phase. n//t

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KharmaTrain

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Thu Aug-07-08 08:44 AM
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4. It Was Never Declared

If the Democrats had any spines...especially at the outset of this fiasco, they should have forced a vote on a declaration. And then declaring on whom? A verb? A non-nation state with no defined borders or command structure? Instead we got another "Tonkin resolution" of endless destruction and plunder.

As stated in another thread, there are many wars going on...most inside, not outside our borders.

Cheers...

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Philosoraptor

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Thu Aug-07-08 08:46 AM
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5. Yet they use the word constantly.

"We are a nation at war", etc., it's staggering how many myths a person can hold in their head.

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KharmaTrain

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Thu Aug-07-08 08:54 AM
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6. Sadly Democrats Use It As Well

And there's no one out there to set the record straight. We've cheapened the word and the process over the last 60 years (since Korea) that it's a word that's thrown around in his country just like "jihad" in the Middle East as the ultimate cure for all problems.

We do have legitimate security concerns. I do believe there are extremists of all types who want to strike at this country, but we've cheapened the concept, created too many boogiemen...this country has turned into the elephant attempting to stamp out ants.

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flashl

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Thu Aug-07-08 08:59 AM
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8. Without the 'war(s)' to keep 'us' safe there will not be a need for the trillion $$$ MIC. nt

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shadowknows69

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Thu Aug-07-08 09:17 AM
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9. Actual "war" hinders war criminals too much

It has pesky rules like the Geneva Convention.

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conspirator

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Thu Aug-07-08 09:49 AM
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10. They aren't wars anyways. they are GENOCIDAL SLAUGHTERS nt

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Tierra_y_Libertad

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Thu Aug-07-08 09:53 AM
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11. Congress heroically bailed on it's responsibilities as written in the constitution.

As it usually, and still, does.

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Puzzler

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Thu Aug-07-08 09:58 AM
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12. I don't think that the US is at war in Iraq...

... the US won "the war" within days of the invasion. However, it's been unable to effectively govern Iraq since then (to put it mildly).

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stillcool

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Thu Aug-07-08 10:22 AM
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13. If war is armed conflict..

than we have been at war for a long time.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/KillingHope_page.html

from the book
Killing Hope
U.S. Military and CIA Interventions since World War II
by William Blum
published by Common Courage Press in 1995

" are perhaps not so much immoral as they are amoral. It's not that they take pleasure in causing so much death and suffering. It's that they just don't care ... the same that could be said about a sociopath. As long as the death and suffering advance the agenda of the empire, as long as the right people and the right corporations gain wealth and power and privilege and prestige, as long as the death and suffering aren't happening to them or people close to them ... then they just don't care about it happening to other people, including the American soldiers whom they throw into wars and who come home-the ones who make it back alive-with Agent Orange or Gulf War Syndrome eating away at their bodies. American leaders would not be in the positions they hold if they were bothered by such things."
William Blum. Killing Hope

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dixiegrrrrl

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Thu Aug-07-08 12:38 PM
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14. All of us can help highlight this NON-war

by calling out those who use the word war instead of invasion ( which I like)
or "ocupation".
Congress did not declare war.
Therefore, are Bush's clamed "War Powers" legal?

We should make an effort to correct the mis-use of the W word.

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