Michael Collins (aka autorank) Interviews Vincent Bugliosi - Prosecuting Bush for Murder

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Link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0808/S00099.htm
Friday, 8 August 2008, 11:51 am
Column: Michael Collins

Michael Collins: An Interview with Vincent Bugliosi - Part 1
Prosecuting George W. Bush for Murder

Plotting the crime, Bush plans the misleading 2003 State of the Union
speech then delivers the lies to citizens and the Congress: "A brutal
dictator, -- with ties to terrorism -- will not be permitted to dominate
a vital region and threaten the United States." George W. Bush

Michael Collins
"Scoop" Independent News
Washington, DC

In his new book, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, Vincent Bugliosi makes a devastating, well documented case that President George W. Bush is guilty of murder as a result of the lies he told to justify the invasion of Iraq.

As a Los Angeles prosecutor, Bugliosi represented the state in 105 major cases and won 104, including each of his 21 murder cases. Since his first book, Helter Skelter, he's been one of the top true crime writers with three number one best sellers and numerous awards.

INTERVIEW Part 1

"Bush is responsible, criminally responsible for well over 100,000 deaths, but it's not okay to prosecute him. Not only isn't it okay to prosecute him, it isn't even okay to talk about prosecuting him. This is unbelievable what's going on in this country. How can we have a country where they permit a president to do what he did and they do absolutely nothing to him except to try to protect him?" Vincent Bugliosi

Michael Collins (MC): You recently published The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder. This is a deadly serious charge from a distinguished prosecutor. What's the core of your case, the essence of it?

Vincent Bugliosi (VB): The essence of the case against George Bush is that he deliberately took this nation to war in Iraq on a lie, under false pretenses, and therefore, under the law, he is guilty of murder for the deaths of over 4,000 young American soldiers who have died so far in Iraq fighting his war --not your war or my war or America's war, but George Bush's war.

VB: Every single one of these all important words was deleted from the White Paper, so Congress and the American people never saw any of this, and I don't know how things can get too much worse than what I've just told you. SNIP




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MUCH MORE IN THE FULL INTERVIEW AND TO COME:

This is well worth getting around. Thanks)

Link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0808/S00099.htm

Nice to meet your civilian identity, autorank!

Always enjoy your posts! GREAT job - Vincent Bugliosi is my hero! He's an American Hero and Patriot of the FIRST ORDER.

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Nothing like an honest citizen willing to tell the truth - lies and wars may mix but the mix is toxic.

:yourock: :patriot: :toast:

It was an inside job...if Bush was willing to do all of this to invade Iraq why is 9/11 being an inside job hard to believe. The estimated profits from such an adventure was over $13 trillion...costing taxpayers $1 trillion to obtain. (Deaths don't compute). We cannot let them get away with it.

Nice get! I bet this week has added even more evidence that Mr. Bugliosi would have included, had he known.

Suskind is a MONSTER investigator. When I heard that, I thought - pile it on Ron!

Suskind's outing of the WH based request for a forged doc implicating Saddam in 911 IS THE PERFECT
COMPLIMENT to the doctored National Intelligence Estimate - lies about 911 and the NEI are the basis
for both Kucinich's impreachment resolution and Bugliosi's case. Hot dam:

"The White House had concocted a fake letter from Habbush to Saddam, backdated to July 1, 2001," Suskind writes. “It said that 9/11 ringleader Mohammad Atta had actually trained for his mission in Iraq – thus showing, finally, that there was an operational link between Saddam and al Qaeda, something the Vice President’s Office had been pressing CIA to prove since 9/11 as a justification to invade Iraq. There is no link." Politico http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12308.html

I liked the way Suskind waited for the "inside sources" to deny that they'd said anything and then
dropped the fact that it was all on tape. Sweet!

Only got me a C+ from the old Civics lesson teacher - she was saying it seemed to unrealistic to deserve a better grade.

Precocious one that your are!

Thank you for this! It is very much appreciated. DUers need to use this resource to help spread the word.

Nominated, and I hope hundreds of DUers nominate it, and keep it at the top of the forum.

Michael Collins: (On the absence of mainstream support to bring Bush to justice.)

Vincent Bugliosi: Here's another incredible statistic. I'm trying to bring about justice for those people in their graves. I have no authority to do that, but I'm a private citizen trying to do that. What other person who's a member of the mainstream (is supporting this effort) -- I'm not talking about progressive radio, because they're just as much -- well, they're better Americans than the right wing, but they're not mainstream. They're supporting me. But what person, what other person in this entire country who's in the mainstream -- politicians, prosecutors, the national media, celebrities, many of whom hate George Bush and believe he took this nation to war on a lie -- who has come forward from the mainstream to say, "I support Vince Bugliosi"? You know what the answer is? I think it's zero.

I doubt seriously it is on hand. And then, I'll probably ask a friend to request it for check-out. I am too cynical; a perpetual malady subject to living in SW MO, but we're not above book banning/burning, etc.

Thank you, autorank.

NoFederales

I have great admiration for Bugliosi's position and his personal courage. I'm amazed that he's not
besieged by MSM journalists. No accounting for taste. They're too busy worrying about Beyonce and
Brittany along with the other tawdry and meaningless nonsense. They'll realize the errors of their
way when the gavel comes down.

Seriously, this is a real coup

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33 for mastery

Vincent Bugliosi somehow manages to be both a gentleman and a fierce warrior on a mission.

Were I in court, knowing that I was 100% innocent and I found out Bugliosi was prosecuting,
I'd think real hard about copping a plea;)

I recently finished VB's amazing book.

Interviewing Bugliosi must have been great.

As always, I'm blown away by another autorank post.

All the best, Mike.

Steve

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:D

he is not backing down. i got the sense he plans to make this idea reality.

very kool, Michael!

Are you the Irish leader Michael Collins, the astronaut Michael Collins or the Michael Collins who dated my high school best friend.

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Good on ya! I LOVE Vincent "The G Is Silent" Bugliosi.

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I tried to figure what region in Italy he's from just by the last name. Lot of Bugliosi's in Perugia, very gool place. I wanted him to be Venetian. I don't think he cares much about anything other than a shot at the prez in cross examination. What a sight!

I read to the end of Part 1 and it says it continues to Part 2 but there doesn't appear to be any way to get to Part 2. Part 1 was an awesome read, but I wanna read the rest!

Glad you liked it! There's some cool stuff to come.

Can you make a post the minute you put up the second part? I wanna jump on it as soon as it's up so I can exhale.

MC: Oh, you’re not allowed to advertise either?

VB: Yeah, on ABC Radio they would not take the money.

MC: That’s a first.

The gov wanted 30 years judge gave him 5 1/2 with time served, which gives him 6 mo. The judge says he hopes the man gets back to his family and ended with Inshallah. * & co, say that even when he's served his term, they're not going to let him go. In 6 mo. * will be gone, so we'll see.

incredible and awesome human being to be able to interview.

This is outstanding work. A lesser person would have gotten in the way of his subject but you let Vince pour out his heart and soul.

I wonder how in the heck Bugliosi got the classified document indicating that Bush had redacted the flip side of what he led Congress to believe?

We were in no imminent danger from Saddam, and that stinker has spent our military, the lives of our military and our national treasure on his stinking war.

When you think about how many Senators were afraid to vote against the IWR - after all they wwere told that if they voted against it, they would risk their necks once people saw how the people of Iraq had respect for Mr Bush once Saddam was gone, and also for how we Americans would be zipping around on our freeways using 29 cents a gallon gasoline - Whoa brother.

Much thanks and many Kudos!

it really brings out the ANGER felt by Bugliosi, and myself and many others over Bush's blatant criminality in abusing his office, and the massive amount of premeditated killing he is responsible for. If there were any justice in the world Bush would be handed the death sentence (and I don't even support the death penalty). One of the problems is: the judicial system itself has become highly politicized and we are only now barely starting to chip away at that problem.

Ask Pelosi?

...to raise money to send shrub, cheney, runmsfeld, and powell to The Hague.

Here're a coupla west coast attaboys; to Collins for his ongoing excellence, to Autorank for spreading the word.

I confess I have no opinion on Bugliosi's case. After all, I may be called to serve on the jury and I sure would not want to be disqualified.

recommended.

mvs

Don't give up that objectivity. I think that you'd be the ideal 'jury of one' for most any trial.

Bugliosi knocked it out of the park with this book and plan. Those UCLA grads are like that;)

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:toast:

Bugliosi's case is incredibly tight. I highly recommend the book. It's really captivating.

This is a more logical strategy than impeachment and the penalties are real-world consequences.
No nonsense with a bunch of posturing politicians bloviating about this or that. Just the gavel
coming down for the biggest trial ever in this country.

When people (like me;) comment on the brilliance of this, Bugliosi says he's no smarter than the
average person, but credits the quality of seeing the obvious as the differentiation that sets
him apart. This, he argues, is obvious. Tell lies that allow you to order people to their death,
and you're committing murder. Case closed.

Fascinating and more than a footnote in hour history, I'm sure.

Good description of Junior....

murder...I can see Nancy now with a shaved head and a swastika carved between her beady little eyes.

Keep up the good work my friend.

on DU. The people who are presently making Vincent Bugliosi's book into a documentary are in contact with a number of state attorney generals.

The ancient philosopher Diogenes spent his life in search of a single honest man. In Vincent Bugliosi, we have one, and with the information that he has organized in his book, which is being put into the documentary, and which you have done such a great job of presenting here, I think that we may soon find at least one honest prosecutor, and twelve honest jurors.

Again, thank you for this.

If there is one word to sum up Vincent Bugliosi's prosecutorial style - it would be that one.

Well done! I am impressed and envious at the same time. I have been a huge fan of VB since I read Helter Skelter in high school. He has been on Bush's case since day one and I only wish more were behind him.

K & R

MC: What are the members of the mainstream media and the upper tiers of power doing to bring Bush to justice?

What they are doing -- they are doing something. They're trying to protect him. They're actively trying to protect this guy. Why would they want to protect this monstrous individual who took this nation to war on a lie with the incalculable horror and suffering and sea of blood and screams and mutilations and beheadings he has caused? Why would they want to protect him? They had no hesitancy in going after Clinton for doing absolutely nothing. Clinton has consensual sexual activity outside of marriage, lies under oath to cover it up.

No self respecting prosecutor would ever dream of going after Clinton for this. So he did absolutely nothing, and yet, as I've pointed out many times, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, Clinton was savaged by the mainstream media, including the so called liberal New York Times and Washington Post. He was impeached by this monstrous, grotesque, obscene Ken Starr. The federal government funded a seven year, $70 million effort by Starr to destroy the Clinton presidency. They wanted to hang him in the town square at noontime. No one wanted to protect him. But they want to protect this morally defective, amoral, terrible, despicable human being, George Bush. I have nothing but contempt for George Bush, and yet the mainstream media is out there trying to protect him. I'm not saying there's any conspiracy involved here by the mainstream media to keep me off all these shows. It's just that each member of the mainstream national media feels the same way about it.

Vincent Bugliosi: What they are doing -- they are doing something. They're trying to protect him.
They're actively trying to protect this guy."

A "protection racket" is all they are - protecting the henchmen who act in behalf of their owners.
What a way to earn your living.

But Ron Suskind isn't taking it, is he?

xlnt, kp

Peace, my friend,
Bob

Looking forward to the follow-up.

:hi:

Good get.

You may want to consider listenin' to this interview as well. . . as if. . . you need any more info. LOL

http://www.kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=27614

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They all knew Iraq was B.S. Only a few had the backbone to admit it.

many in Congress were complicit, and that appears to be a major factor in their failure to hold the administration responsible for their crimes. However, Mr. Bugliosi is advocating a criminal prosecution after Bush leaves office, in which the role of Congress is in no way a factor.

{1} Mr. Bugliosi's book provides solid evidence that President Bush lied to both Congress and the public in making his case for war. I suspect that there were some in Congress who were willing to accept those lies, even when they either knew better or should have known better. But that is not a legal defense for Bush et al. In fact, it would not be information admitted to any possible criminal prosecution of Bush.

{2} None of the republican "journalists" or "experts" who have debated the book's premise with Mr. Bugliosi have read the book. Hence, their arguments are without merit in the context of debating Mr. Bugliosi's positions regarding the law. Rather, obnoxious individuals ike MSNBC's Joe Scarborough have relied upon the "but you obviously hate Bush!" tactic. And Mr. Bugliosi answers that well, indeed: he strongly dislikes anyone who commits murder.

It was a delight to behold.

I watched the hearings when Bugliosi testified... It is very possible for us told the Bush Administration accountable after they leave office.

And that's why I like this so much. The opportunities for justice are all over the United States
and, thanks to Vincent Bugliosi pointing out the obvious (which he said is his specialty), we've
got an avenue to address a huge betrayal.

There are highly capable, intelligent, patriotic people working in behalf of all of us.

if Bush deliberately lied to Congress, it does NOT exonerate Bush just because they approved the war. They could be tried for neglegence because they should have investigated the truth more. However even if they were found guilty of negligence, Bush is still guilty. RFK Jr brought up this very question with the author a week or two ago on his radio show (check Ring of Fire archives)

I've given up on excusing Congress on the basis that they don't have the votes to impeach. That's not why they're letting these criminals get away with their atrocities.

Can't wait for part 2.

Mr. Bugliosi: :yourock:

I can't believe it. I'm sitting here in a state of despair over this. Even my own mother.

Is everyone so skeptical that they don't believe it? Are they smart enough to reaslize that dramatic action against a president won't happen in America? Is Bugliosi nuts? I don't think so.

I guess I need to ask what, if anything, is controversial about Bugliosi.

At any rate, thank for the interview. I also heard Amy Goodman's, and these gave me great hope. Even if tarnished by what I consider apathy.

they'll say the person in question is "a crook" or "nuts."

How the hell can anyone say Bugliosi, the highly-respected
lawyer/writer is nuts???? Now THAT's nuts. :spank:

It's their easy way of dismissing unthinkable thoughts.

Fools.

But then she's the world's biggest skeptic. But she also predicted Bush's second term.

It's weird, and hard to fathom that things progressed this far. I meant, regressed.

My initial reaction was what! But I was familiar with Bugliosi's work in the Manson trial,
which was nothing short of brilliant. He was in total control of the trial. The judge
behaved, etc. Then the jury convicted Manson even though Manson wasn't at the murder scene.
Why? Because he ordered the murders, he was in total control of "the family," and therefore
responsible. It's a principle of law. Same logic here.

This is an extremely powerful idea because it's apolitical. It's law and order and there is
no statute of limitations.

130,000 books sold and no network interviews, hardly any reviews, a blackout - but the name
of the author, well known, and the Internet are spreading the word.

Mom will come around.

have been lied to on such a scale that most people have difficulty in recognizing the truth. It sounds foreign to them. And, even if they have a suspicion that what they are hearing might be true, they have seen the Truth trampled to such an extent that they have little or no confidence that a truthful person, such as Vincent Bugliosi, can change anything.

However, we know that Mr. Bugliosi has sent copies of the book, along with a cover letter offering his services, to each of the 50 state attorney generals. More, such a prosecution can be done by a "local" district attorney. And add to that the fact that Mr. Bugliosi's book is being made into a powerful documentary as we speak .... and the film-makers are now in contact with various state attorney generals and prosecutors.

For more information, see:
www.prosecutionofbush.com

All we need is one person who is in the position of state attorney general or district attorney, who believes in the rule of law. Just one. And as we know from 40 years ago, with DA Jim Garrison, the trials that seem unlikely can happen. To those who point out that Garrison failed to get a conviction, we can only point out that Mr. Bugliosi has a much stronger record in winning felony jury trials, especially his 100% rate of convictions in murder cases.

Finally, as my good friend Rubin used to remind me, only he who attempts the ridiculous can ever hope to achieve the "impossible." There is no need for despair on our side. That emotion belongs exclusively to those who Mr. Bugliosi targets.

I'll say this whole thing has a surreal feel to it.

My sense of things is that people don't want their boats rocked. People will deny anything bad, hoping it will just go away. Like global warming. I'm just as surprised at the number of bright people I know who deny that one.

His interviews have been dynamite. I'm quite surprised we ever made it through the first term with this administration, let along this far along in a second term. But then look at Pelosi. There is definitely something going on under the surface that we do not know about. Big money, most likely.

Well, I've got a tractor hydraulic leak to go diagnose. Ha, it's hardly different than trying to rid ourselves of the maladministration we're enduring. It's always something. And almost always more work than it should require.

I have good feelings about where we're headed. The thought of Feingold as a VP just adds even more excitement to it.

Bugliosi's two proofs of deliberate lying are a) the fact that Saddam was no thread and Bush knew it
and b) the misleading connection of Saddam to 911. I should have asked about this. I will next time around. Thanks for pointing this out.

Kucinich says: H. Res. 1345 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.RES.1345:

1. That Iraq was `continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability. . . .'
2. That Iraq was `actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability. . . .'
3. That Iraq was `continuing to threaten the national security interests of the United States and international peace and security.'
4. That Iraq has demonstrated a `willingness to attack, the United States. . . .'
5. That `members of al Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq. . . .'
6. The `attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, underscored the gravity of the threat that Iraq will transfer weapons of mass destruction to international terrorist organizations. . . .'
7. That Iraq `will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so. . . .'
8. That an `extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack. . . .'

I just hope one--it only takes one--prosecutor in this country decides to press charges against Bush.
I so want that a$$hole to be held accountable. Clearly, Congress isn't going to do it.

Garcia would be proud.

Thank you so much!



peace~

Autorank- BAD ASS reporter.
Vincent Bugliosi- BAD ASS Patriot.

Put them together and what do you get?

An interview sure to go down in history!

THANKS MC, for leading me to this thread.
I only had a few minutes to DU just now and
most certainly got to read the best thread of the day!~

XXXOOO

BHN

:hi:

What an awesome experience! I don't know how you did it. I would have been sitting there with a stupid grin on my face, and mush-for-brains...wait, that's my normal mode. :rofl: Maybe I would have been drooling, too. I don't normally do that.

Excellent, Michael! Really, really excellent!

His book is very, very good. I always enjoy a good, righteous rant, especially when it makes perfect sense, and I can get all fired up reading it. I had a hard time putting it down. He states the case well from this lay person's perspective, and what he is proposing is what I have wanted for a long time. Impeachment is not enough. The lying weasel belongs incarcerated for what he has done. Highly rec that others read it.

I hope he is aware that there are a lot of us "little people" that feel the same way. I think he would have a lot of support from many. Even my 86 year old dad said the lying weasel was a criminal. Them's purty strong words comin' from a lifelong Republican (though I have suspected for quite a while he was actually a closet liberal...LOL).

Keep up the great work, and thanks for all you do.

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of the public anger and I think that his position reflects it.

If anyone other than Bugliosi brought this up, there would be an immediate wave of personal attacks.

That hasn't happened. It may but I think a lot of folks are simply stunned that the guy who put
Manson away and who writes all these great true-crime books, the guy who is the epitome of hard nosed
law and order is the SAME GUY who wrote this book.

Bugliosi doesn't own a computer but he can write. I suspect his book will really take off and
be very influential.

Regards to your dad!

VB told us he doesn't have a cell phone, much less
a computer, but I think we should forward this thread
to his publicist, Ilene so that she can print it out for him to read.

Yes?

BHN

That way she can print it for his reading enjoyment.

She is a terrific lady too!
And a helluva a publicist!
She was responsible for getting C-Span to tape the Venice talk.
GO Ilene, GO Vincent, GO autorank!!!!

Let's get these Bush bastards!

BHN
BHN

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Shame it got buried by the 20 million Edwards threads.

Great interview! Thanks

Each day, things look worse and worse for them.

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