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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:24 PM
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TIME asks Pelosi: "Why have you taken impeachment off the table as an option for President Bush?"
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 09:25 PM by Bluebear
Answer: I took it off the table a long time ago. You can't talk about impeachment unless you have the facts, and you can't have the facts unless you have cooperation from the Administration. I think the Republicans would like nothing better than for us to focus on impeachment and take our eye off the ball of a progressive economic agenda.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1828320,00.html

Ducky. So by this logic, you can't prosecute a murderer until you have the facts, and you cannot get those facts unless you have the cooperation from that suspect. So the whole case is blown. What a sad disappointment she turned out to be, sorry Pelosi fans.
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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:27 PM
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1. If that is indeed her in-context, unedited quote...
...then she is in ShrubCo's pocket. Not because of the deceit, but because of how lame the deceit is. Only someone tainted by the particular malevolence of Shrub could come up with such pathetically tortured "logic."
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 02:18 PM
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34. put her in jail too, the sow.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:29 PM
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2. You have to give her credit
for suckering all those people, and then getting in there and playing shield for Bush. Of all the things to defend this woman is defending something inexcusable. The gall of people to say anything in defense of this MONSTER.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 07:08 AM
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15. that's a smear
she was clear about being against impeachment before the election. It's pretty low to accuse her of suckering anyone, especially when you yourself are smearing her.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:21 PM
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26. the repugs impeached Clinton over a blowjob and made it into
something that could destroy the union.

bush is a war criminal that has destroyed the meaning and intent of the constitution. Is it not Pelosi's duty to defend the Consititution and impeach bush and his goons?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:22 PM
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27. she deserves smearing.....she abdicates her duty....
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 02:34 PM
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35. You said it.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 02:44 PM
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39. we're the ones that don't deserve it
we deserve an honest discussion.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 02:37 PM
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36. It's no smear -- she brought it upon herself.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 02:43 PM
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38. it's FALSE
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:30 PM
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3. Apparently congress cannot do two things at one time. I seem to
remember the congress functioning just fine during the Watergate trials. They would break to go to the floor to vote. As to evidence they got that during the hearings from those who testified. However, nothing really happened until John Dean told us what was going on. *ss's WH is not cooperating at all and are probably shredding as we write.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 07:13 AM
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16. the Nixon matter was far less partisan
Congress is very different now.

And in fact, time and attention are not finite. If they do one thing they cannot do another. You may want impeachment, but if you pretend there's no cost in both congressional work and also in the risk of losing seats you're not living in reality. You may think it's worth the cost, that's fine, I personally disagree with that.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:32 AM
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25. Should she ,in your opinion, keep it off the tasble even if presented with
solid evidence of Impeachable offenses? Nothing at all ambiguous. Solid verified evidence that Bush* and Cheney fabricated evidence to lead the nation to war. Should she still keep it off the table?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 02:40 PM
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37. there already is solid evidence
but it is deniable, and the Bush administration will not cooperate whatsoever with the proceedings and it will not go anywhere.

What would get me to support impeachment proceedings wholeheartedly is republicans joining it. If enough of them joined the dems in the effort, it could pressure Bush to cooperate and it could be successful, both in having him removed and in making the impeachment meaningful.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:36 PM
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4. . . .
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Loki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:38 PM
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5. One thing with Nancy
she never fails to fail at her elected duty. Nancy, in case you have forgotten, impeachment is a constitutional remedy. What a wasted opportunity for a woman to be a real leader.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:01 PM
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6. Consider it the downside to American jurisprudence, but in a very real sense that is the matter...
Crime figures as a for instance, are known to engage in a host of nefarious activities. If the target of an investigation decides it in their best interest to plead the 5th, fold their arms, and just sit there with a smirk on their face while 12 lawyers in 1,000 suits, pant suits, ties, and imported cologne start setting up fun house mirrors and blowing smoke all around the courtroom; its going to be very, very slow going at best :( Now...

If Pelosi could be seen actually working like a ball of fire, all eyes pinned onto this "progressive economic agenda" to which she refers, that might go toward modulating her image for the better. But she's rolling over too much, way too much. Either republicans are continuing to snooker all of congress with their insatiable bullshit, purple fingers, band-aids, and tire pressure gages; or she doesn't fully understand or appreciate the power of her own gavel.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 03:31 AM
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7. Bullshit!
Impeachment is ABOUT getting the facts!

Such a substandard answer/rationale!

The woman is a disgrace.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:45 AM
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8. So it's really Bush's fault for not cooperating in his own impeachment?
If Rove and Bolton and Miers would just come to Congress and testify...if Bush and Cheney were just more transparent....then Pelosi could impeach?

So if war criminals would just cooperate by outlining all their crimes, then something could be done about the war criminals?



If I ever commit a crime, I want Pelosi for judge, jury , and the prosecution. Heck, I'll even take her for my defense.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:13 AM
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9. You Need Zero Facts To Impeach, Madame Squeaker
Because impeachment is merely an accusation. A well-founded suspicion is the threshold. Facts are above her pay grade.

Not that she isn't ignoring a boatload of facts. Some of them war crimes that she herself may need to be prosecuted for at The Hague, if not here. Including the fact that the regime freely admits its unlawful actions, simple "defending" them as part some wacky theory of monarchical, "unitary" power to shred the Constitution, declare Congress impotent, and ignore rulings from any and all US Courts.

And even considering what "Republicans would like" betrays a dereliction of her sworn duty in favor of seeking partisan, political advantage. Purer corruption is hard to imagine.

Impeachment remains our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

And it is moving forward in spite of this latest bushie firewall, Nancy "Off The Table" Pelosi -- failed Speaker of the Won't-Do-Nothing Congress.

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:24 AM
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10. As someone previously stated...
A total waste of Carbon.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:26 AM
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11. A couple more jewels from the article:
How often do you vote to stick with your party against your better judgment? Jake Englander BROOKLYN, N.Y.

I always say to new members coming in: Follow the C's. We uphold the Constitution, we represent our constituents, and votes can be a matter of conscience. You have to weigh all of that.


Uphold the Constitution?!?!? How does lightning not strike her for such blasphemy? Oh, yeah. For the same reason it ain't struck bu$hler yet.

If you could change anything from your political career, what would it be? Kevin Y.H. Sun ARCADIA, CALIF.

The biggest disappointment for me is that we're still in Iraq. I keep revisiting it to think about what we could have done to stop this President from taking us to war.


"What we could have done" ?!?!? I do believe she said this with a straight face! If the bu$h regime has a better ally than Nancy Pelosi, it could only be Rust Limpballs.

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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:42 AM
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12. what constantly amazes me
is how she sticks to something she said "a long time ago" as new facts and crimes are revealed daily. nothing budges her. fuck the politics for gawdsake, do the right thing!
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 06:02 AM
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13. Wonder why Congress has a 9% approval rating?
Because impeachment is off her table, because the wars continue to be funded, because they approve warrantless wiretapping while they cash checks from AT&T and sell sponsorshups on tote bags at the national convention, because Karl Rove et. al. thumb their nose at any inquiry without the slightest compunction, because every time Bush yells "war on terra" they hide under the bed ...

This woman's leadership has been disgraceful.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 06:24 AM
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14. Nancy has time to promote her own book--does she have time to read Suskind
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 07:45 AM
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17. The economic part makes no sense either...
The corruption in this administration is widespread, and congressional Republicans have been supporting it in near-total lockstep. As more evidence of their crimes comes out in a venue that the media can't ignore, the more their old actions come back to bite them, practically half the Republicans might face charges themselves, and the rest will be scrambling to disassociate themselves from the taint.

If you actually want to pass a progressive economic agenda, there's no better opportunity to to shatter Republican opposition than to push forward on impeachment.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 07:50 AM
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18. She's worthless.
'Nuff said.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 07:51 AM
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19. say what???? . . .
"You can't talk about impeachment unless you have the facts, and you can't have the facts unless you have cooperation from the Administration."

so you can't impeach a president without his cooperation? . . . that's a new interpretation of the Constitution if I ever heard one . . .

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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 07:55 AM
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20. The Democrats WANT Bush in office right now.
They WANT an unpopular lightning rod for all the problems in this country. They WANT Bush in office while running a Democrat for office this year. They WANT the someone for the public to blame because without Bush, the people might start looking at their performance.

It's political concerns over judicial/constitutional concerns.

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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:11 AM
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21. Yep. I hope it turns out they made the right choice on that, at least.
I'd still like them to actually follow the Constitution, myself....
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:31 PM
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29. Faustian bargains rarely work out.
I too would rather them focus on the constitution and let the chips fall where may.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:13 AM
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22. useless fucking piece of shit
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:14 AM
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23. They aren't even trying anymore.
They have nothing to lose, and they know it. In the unlikely event she gets voted out of office; Snap! goes the static line, the golden parachute unfurls, then it's a proper PLF and she gets on with the mission!

We're sold-out and totally fucked, Bluebear.

I'm afraid I will cast my last vote ever in November. I will vote for Obama, but I have no hope left for justice.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 09:19 AM
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24. We can't b/c THE REEPS WANT US TO IMPEACH??? WTF???
Is she as demented as McCain?
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:26 PM
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28. Sad indeed!
We need a real leader as speaker. Impeach!
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:34 PM
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30. I carried her water for far too long
I supported her when no one else did...and now I'm sorry for it

What a fucking disappointment
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:56 PM
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31. Translation: "We cant fight the Republicans because they wont let us fight them."
Makes sense, but only if you are a coward or "in on it."

Is there someone out there who actually thinks this makes sense?

So you cant call someone a crook or a liar until they cooperate with you? She actually thinks the DEM base is stupid enough to buy this?

Pelosi is lying about why she is protecting Bush again.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 01:27 PM
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32. Excellent, so we can only impeach if Bush says it's OK.
How can she say shit like that with a straight face? Is she actually incapable of embarassment? Or is that facelift stretched too tight to allow facial expressions?
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WyLoochka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 02:16 PM
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33. Progressive economic agenda
Nancy - we need to go back centuries and re-found ourselves and build again on the greatest of all "progressive" elements underpinning our system of laws - the Great Writ of Habeus Corpus.

And we need to simultaneously knock the shit out of the current bunch of despotic oligarchs hell-bent on re-establishing a monarchy in all but name only - they call it the "unitary executive". That's progressive!

We will never pass a "progressive economic agenda" if we leave these anti-American, anti-democratic, constitution undermining power grabs in place - thus tacitly approving of the crimes.

The name Pelosi will forever be enshrined in ignominy for the utter catastrophic failure in judgement she has made in thinking that she could pass a "progressive economic agenda," while giving the criminals who are vehemently opposed to such a total pass on their crimes.

Dumb - dumb and dumber. Talk about an "appeaser" - she is the ultimate example. Oh please, please, grovel, grovel, lord and masters, let us pass this new health care law that is part of our "progressive economic agenda" that cuts the big insurance companies - who add no value whatsoever - in on the dole out of taxpayer dollars thus wasting their hard earned dollars.

Had she not blocked impeachment in 06 and let things take their course the criminals would have been in jail by now and we would win in a landslide in November as a reward for having the common sense and guts to stand up for our people, our laws and our Constitution.

People wanted change and they didn't get it. That is why the race is tighter than it should be now.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 10:35 PM
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40. Truthtelling from the SonoraDesert. Amen.
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 11:53 PM
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41. Tell me she did NOT actually say this.
How the fuck can one person be this stupid (or possibly think we are)?

I had to read that quote twice, just to make sure I wasn't misreading it. She is essentially saying that you can't impeach, an adversarial act, without cooperation from your adversary? Erm. Uh. Where's that frying pan... *BOONNGG*... OK, my head hurts and I'm losing consciousness and I think I see a few dead relatives... OK, now I understand what she's talking about.

:hurts: Hey, look everybody!!! I think I just pooped out the Speaker of the House.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 03:58 AM
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42. The Repukes that rubber stamp aren't as bad as Pelosi and her ilk
it is those that know that wrong is going on (one could argue that the Repukes actually believe the BS eminating from the WH), but yet do nothing. Those that stand idly by while the kingdom burns to the ground. "Oh, there's a fire? Well, shit.. how about we toss scraps to the serfs... that'll distract them."
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 05:46 AM
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43. OMG. She is revealed not only as a complete fool, but a fool who never heard of Watergate.
Now THAT was an unco-operative Administration!

Pelosi is a traitor.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 06:12 AM
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44. Her actions border on treason.
the death penalty isn't out of the question.

She is aiding the enemy in a time of war. Besides it's not her choice ...it's her duty.
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 06:28 AM
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45. We can't let this woman keep her job without all the facts, and we can't have all the facts unless..
...impeachments proceedings begin. Therefore, "Bitch gotta go."*



*That's a line from the cartoon series The Oblongs whose humor is along a similar vein as South Park and Family Guy, so chill the fuck out.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 03:51 PM
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46. Yeah...NO...that doesn't make sense. What administration is going to help hang themselves?
That is some weak shit there.
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