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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:26 PM
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Wow! Mike Malloy is on a rant against...liberals
and all the e-mails he has gotten and attacks from sites like Dem_underground and Daily_Kos! for his suggestion that we just hand things over to McCain! It's Goddamn this and Goddamn that with Malloy and he's yelling that Obama is "not the messiah" and he's an idealistic young man who might be ready in 4, 8 or 12 years and "you want to dump all of this in his lap!" It's quite a display, but I gotta tell the truth I've never really liked him much anyway. He's too bombastic for my taste.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:27 PM
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1. Malloy loves the sound of his own voice.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:28 PM
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2. example
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:29 PM
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3. Wow. One has to wonder what his purpose is for doing this
He's been doing this a lot lately, so much so that I've turned off the dial.

I just don't get his logic. My dial will stay off of him since he chose to say "he's an idealistic young man who might be ready in 4, 8 or 12 years".
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Arnold Judas Rimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:30 PM
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4. Here we go again with another Malloy bashing thread.....
Yeah, doesn't he just "suck" for speaking the truth.

Too bad Al Franken's running for the senate, so we can't listen to him verbally blowing the DLC and AIPAC for 15 hours a week anymore.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:32 PM
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9. So you don't believe that Obama is ready to be president?
you would rather he didn't win?
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Arnold Judas Rimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:39 PM
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13. Don't misquote me. Or Malloy.
Because neither one of us said that.

Point is that the Bush Crime Family and the corporate media that supports them are already rigging the economy to completely fail after Chimpy leaves office. And it wouldn't surprise me if they attack Iran - or better yet let Israel do it - so late in the game that President Obama will be left holding the bag of "starting a war with Iran", whether he wants to or not.

I saw them frame Carter for their failures thirty years ago, and the hole is 10,000 times deeper now. What's going to happen in 2012 when Obama hasn't even come close to repairing the damage? Because no one man can.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:51 PM
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23. Brilliant comments . . . and I hope you're not going to be 1000% correct . . !!!
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 09:51 PM by defendandprotect
I have no idea of anything about Molloy except that he does that annoying intro every time
I try to tune into Randi ---

And, btw, they certainly uprooted her and pushed her aside ---
Rush is out there alone again, basically now ---!!!
Thanks to Air America!!!

But re Obama . . . my opinion is JFK wasn't ready to be president . . . as someone said,
"he thought he was president." Ike wasn't ready -- Carter wasn't ready ---

Only Nixon, Bush, Bush, Reagan were ready . . .
Well, Reagan might have erred a bit there --- but got shot at and straightened up ---
because they understood their role in the saga the right-wing elites have created ---
simply work for their interests.

And, in order to do that in a major way, anything left of a system of justice, has to be
corrupted ---

Basically people's government is turned into organized crime ---


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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:15 PM
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36. Sorry butThere is absolutely NO comparison between Obama and JFK!
Both men have good qualities but in experience they are NOT equal. JFK was a Pulitzer Prize winning war hero who was elected to BOTH congress and the Senate. Barack is a eloquent lawyer and Community organizer who was a State Senator. He too was an author but Kennedy trumps him on experience. Just saying.I wish people would evaluate Obama on his own merits as opposed to comparing him to others.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:19 PM
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55. I can agree with you -- no problem . . .
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 11:21 PM by defendandprotect
Loved JFK --- and as bright as Obama is ... "he is no JFK" ---

... but what I'm saying is that even JFK was naive about "thinking he was president."

He didn't understand fully the true evil he was facing. And he did FACE it, marvelously!!!

Now ... this is just conversational ---

but how much did IKE really tell him? IKE was being betrayed regularly by the CIA and

Pentagon -- and the elites/oil seem to have bought him re contributions to his personal welfare ---

and I haven't really even studied IKE or this period. A decent enough man, I guess ---

he tried to tell us -- but he forgot to tell us that it was something he had FAILED at

controlling! That we already had a run-away situation on our hands re the MIIC ---

and, btw, IKE put "intelligence" in that twice --- and twice they took it out!


Again, the subject wasn't really JFK or Obama --- it was who really understands this evil

sufficiently?

Look at Carter . . . !!! I really didn't like him --- but they persecuted him!

And finally took him right over Niagara Falls with the "hostage" thing --- and

October Surprise capping it off!!





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mth44sc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:30 PM
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5. sounds like Mike Malloy
is the one who isn't ready...

Pity that.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:30 PM
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6. So Malloy want's McCAin to take over...?
Well now ain't that a hoot....screw Malloy!

I would rather have an idealistic man who would surround himself with the best and the brightest to fix this country than to a 26 year Senate Veteran who has absolutely no intention of helping the average American.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:31 PM
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7. Mike means well, and I get his point
You'd have to be somewhat nutty to want to inherit this disaster, and in a strategic sense, it's cynical but logical. The problem is we're going to win the Senate and House again, so all the blame will be on us anyway. Just like it always is.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:43 PM
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17. And there we have it.
Another DUer who is actually listening to what he is saying.

Glad to see someone else is paying attention to context.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:07 PM
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tuning in, but I am betting this is the story
been a malloy fan for a LONG time IE Radio Network to be precise

HIm and Werbe were the perfect one two punch
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:13 PM
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76. Yes, I listen to Werbe...
on Sunday nights if I can keep my eyes open long enough..
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:07 PM
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32. tuning in, but I am betting this is the story
been a malloy fan for a LONG time IE Radio Network to be precise

HIm and Werbe were the perfect one two punch
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:20 PM
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56. Said it in another post I'll say it again
After listening to Malloy for a decade now the one thing I've learned to trust about him, there is a method to his madness and/or logic, as it were.

Also he's as fed up and frustrated with the bush crime family as we all are. Add to that the many Democrats that have let us down... :-( it'll make the most sane person nucking futz
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:29 AM
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60. I've met him in person
and he's certainly more logical and sane than DUers give him credit for.
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 01:18 AM
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63. Lucky you
I HEART Mike Malloy:loveya: Yes he is a sane voice and he sure has helped me keep my sanity over the last ten years.. especially the last 8.

Someday I will meet the awesome Mike and Kathy Malloy, n Molly too:grouphug:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:31 PM
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8. Unfortunately, it isn't the liberals who attacked him. It just happened on
liberal websites. I believe if you look at the nightly Mike Malloy threads that are put up every night here, there are no attacks from his regular listeners. The attacks are from those who have taken what he said out of context just like you have.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:32 PM
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10. I saw a Diary on Daily Kos saying that Malloy was now advocating letting McCain win and attacking
Obama.

Are Democrats supposed to like that?

I listened to him one time - after Gore gave his great speech at Constitution Hall going after the Bush Administration for all of their violations of the Constitution. It was a great speech and I was exited so I tuned in to hear him start ranting against Gore. My reaction - WTF and turned it off - with friends like that, who needs enemies.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:36 PM
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11. I understand where he's coming from.....
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 09:37 PM by Postman
The next President will be given the biggest flaming bag of crap in history. Let McCain stomp on the craptacular flaming bag of shit while Democrats take control of both houses of Congress...

I don't agree with Malloy but I understand where he's coming from....

The Republicans have set the table for the next President to fail because they fully expect Obama to win.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:38 PM
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12. YEP
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:40 PM
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15. There's too much at stake here to sacrifice the nation for four years, no matter what Malloy says
The next four years are crucial for the survival of our Democracy and to cut an impending disaster off before it happens (Iran, etc.)

The fact that Malloy doesn't understand this and continues spouting this garbage is disgusting. Sure, he has a point to some degree - it wont be easy for Obama, but we have to take that chance and know that he will do the best to put us on the right course.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:45 PM
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21. But I think Mike has underestimated Obama.
I think he will be able to effect change and to handle the shit storm. I'm sure he will appoint people to his cabinet that actually can do the job and aren't corporate dick suckers. I know a veto proof Congress with McCain as President could keep the corporate pit bulls at bay while Congress digs us out of the mess, but I don't think it's the best solution and I don't think we will get a veto proof Congress, but we might get a majority that Obama can work with. I don't think Obama is JC or even Superman but I think he's got more there than Mike is giving him credit for and if he is elected, we all have to throw our support behind him 150% and help him through what will be a really tough first term.
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Doctor Panacea Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:40 PM
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14. I gave up on him a long time ago.
I have to say that I liked him a few years ago. Even then I thought he was over the top. In the last several months he has gotten worse.

I am listening to him tonight, and I heard him last night when he called for a McCain victory. He makes no sense. His argument is that things are so bad that it would be unfair to turn the mess over to Obama. He seems to have some kind of anarchist faith that letting things get worse under McCain would lead to real change later on. It is a lunatic delusion.
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:43 PM
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18. Yeah, but
I think he believes things are going to get worse than they are now so, let Dems take control of the Congress by a wide margin, why not let the house of cards collapse under another inept republican administration?

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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:41 PM
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16. I also see where he is coming from. I hate to think of someone like Obama, whom I respect greatly,
going through what he is about to go through...and that with the MSM lined up against anyone not a corporate Repug shill, it is just plain cruelty. I also think that there is an element of what my wife and I have been saying lately - that the country deserves to some degree to be flushed down the toilet and let things just completetly collapse, to wake people up. Would any of you want to take over the sack of shit that Bush just created?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:44 PM
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19. So the great egotistical Mile Malloy
knows better than all of those good dems who have worked with Obama in government.

Yes, the GREAT-KNOW-IT-ALL, I-AM-THE-BEST-JUDGE of what should happen to this country!

F** you Mike Malloy.

I wonder how differently you would think if you had NO job, NO healthcare, NO home like many citizens in this country or you were one of the millions in Iraq who have been hurt by the war.

Do you not love Molly - are you not concerned about her future????????????????????????????????????

Obama is older than Jack Kennedy was. A so-called "not ready" Obama is way better than a dufus McCain.

You are no democrat, you are no liberal, you are no progressive.

All that you are is totally in love with your own opinions.

You are trying to defend the indefensible.

F** you Mike Malloy.



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Arnold Judas Rimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:58 PM
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26. Leave his kid out of it
Geezus, talk about indefensible? Bringing a 4 year old into this??
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:05 PM
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29. I have a child close to that age - I would expect someone to point my error if I said these things
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 10:11 PM by TornadoTN
If I talked about letting McCain have this one because of some perception that things are "bad" and we don't want to be on his head, I would expect someone to show me the error of my ways.

A vote for McCain is only going to harm our children even more in the long run and could lead to a lifetime of war, strife, and economic hardship. 4 more years of Bush policies is really something we want? Don't give me the argument that we have the majority in the Senate and House - we see how ineffective they have been at standing up to Bush policies.

In effect, my son, Mike's daughter, ALL of our children are at stake in this election. We need someone to put us on the right track and start rebuilding our country and restoring our constitution. I want someone that's up to the challenge and that person is Obama. It wont be easy, but he's the right person at the right time.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:57 PM
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51. Evidently people are emailing and attacking his daughter.
How low can people go? I'm not saying you are...
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:07 PM
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31. Kathy is hot
that's all your post really deserved
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:39 PM
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46. I don't think you heard Malloy's message correctly.
Oh never mind.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:44 PM
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20. I heard him say that last night
It had been a while since I listened but I do support the network.

I'll admit that I've been thinking about what he said. There's no way I could vote for any other candidate. The Supreme Court is worth saving. But Malloy is right about what the next president will be inheriting. It's going to be a mess.

From what I read here daily, of tempers boiling over when everything that's said and done by the campaigns is micro managed, Dems won't be too patient with Obama as he wades through the state of our country.

I hope he wins but he's going to need our patience and support. Something I don't think we're ready to offer from the sound of DU.
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loveable liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:45 PM
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22. A McCain Presidency means destruction of evidence.
Even if the only thing Obama does his whole 4 years is bring what Bush has done to the light of day I will be satisfied.

The only thing McCain will do is destroy that evidence. It is for this reason alone that Obama must win. "Republican" and "Conservative" must be made to correspond with criminal, corrupt, thieving, self-serving, war-mongering, fear-mongering, ignorant and chicken-shit.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:01 PM
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28. True, while I understand the direction of this thinking, it would be morally wrong . . .
the GOP are the great destroyers --- they don't build anything --- just destroy.

How many more bridges would fall down, how many more soldiers killed in Iraq and

maybe Iran --- how many more Arab civilians killed for nothing but oil industry

trying to take their oil? Trying to control the ME?

and love this . . .

"Republican" and "Conservative" must be made to correspond with criminal, corrupt, thieving, self-serving, war-mongering, fear-mongering, ignorant and chicken-shit.

FDR called them plenty of names and made clear who and what they were --
It frustrates me that the party today doesn't call them out --- when it has a chance
to investigate something, it get buried. Denying subpoenas???!!! Pretty much just
taken in stride by Dems!!!

Of course, FDR also faced those trying to assassinate him ---
Are we in worse shape than when he took over?

Certainly if I were a politician today I would be frightened --- they've killed a lot of
people .... and harmed a lot of people ...

Just look at the WARNING that came to Edwards, mainly from the Chamber of Commercial
THREATENING him to STOP his populist messages!!!! Otherwise they were going to raise
$60 million from their members and target him!!! I mean -- outrageous --- and barely
commented on in "free press" or by Dems!!!!

And now they're going off on vacation !!!








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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:15 PM
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37. Obama's FISA vote was specifically to cover up the bushie wrongdoings..
That's what telecom immunity was all about.

I'd be willing to wager serious money that Obama will not pursue the bushie crimes.

I've watched this twice before in my lifetime and now I see it happening again.

After Nixon I didn't expect to see another Republican president for at least a couple of decades.. Carter got exactly one freakin' term before Reagan ushered in "Morning in America".

Now I expect to see Obama serve a single term and another Republican after that.

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loveable liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:03 AM
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57. That may be true, however....
What one says on the campaign trail can be very different than what one does in office. I remember the Carter years too and I have to disagree that the country is in a similar condition. As a matter of opinion, I believe the country is in a much worse state than when Carter left office.

I believe right now Obama will do the right thing and prosecute the crimes committed by Boosh. I have hope now, where previously there was none. Whether that is actively persuing convictions or simply staying out of the way, the things that come to light will be horrendous.

False or not, I still have hope.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:09 AM
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65. Hope is too painful for me any more..
I'm weary unto death of having hope dashed time after time.

It's less painful to be a cynic and expect the worst, that way I have a vanishingly small chance of being pleasantly surprised.

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Doctor Panacea Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:52 PM
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24. More on Malloy
Now he is blaming liberals for failing to support Kucinich. In fact, the problem was not lack of support from liberals, but the behavior of the media, which hardly even acknowledged that Kucinich was in the race.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:06 PM
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30. I think it was a lot of both . . .
too much falling back on "but he couldn't win" here at DU ---

too little understanding of the DLC here at DU --- which led to support for HRC ---

and, needless to say, "free press" did all the harm they could to him.

Wanted NO PART of having him heard!!

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stranger81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:54 PM
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25. Obama's not the Messiah, but Malloy just might be . . . . .
even if I disagree with him from time to time. He's still the bomb, and all I see here is a buncha haters.
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Arnold Judas Rimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:59 PM
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27. Mike, the Messiah??
As a proud atheist, I'm sure that one will crack him up! :rofl:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:08 PM
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33. He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:12 PM
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34. Even here at DU, the expectations for Pelosi and Reid, I don't think were otherworldly . . .
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 10:16 PM by defendandprotect
just stop the war, stop the criminals in the White House --- get control of the money.

And NONE of that happened --- and most of them are furious!

Yet --- once again, huge expectations of Obama ---

with little understanding of how it Obama may go the Pelosi/Reid way . . . !!!

Sadly, this could happen ---

And while no one is going to vote for McCain --- we are going to be fighting the

computers every inch of the way --- to prevent an all out STEAL, and to stop what

I suspect happened in '06 . . . STEALING a bigger majority from the Dems.

A BIG majority would be hugely important in holding onto the place for a while...


And, in two years, I don't see that Pelosi/Reid did a damn thing about the computers!!!

Nor the entire voting situation . . .

These are DLC people and not much is going wrong for them --- or for those they're

working for.



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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:19 PM
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39. Yep
I didn't hear Malloy but I'm not pinning any high hopes on Obama or the Dems. I'm already disappointed and fully expect to be moreso when Obama gets into office. The only good thing I can say is at least the Repubs will be out...but that's small comfort considering what they've been allowed to do with Dem consent.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:00 PM
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52. I agree . . .
and it's breathtaking -- because I don't consider myself naive ---

but one moment we have Pelosi announcing the win and acknowledging that

we sent them there to STOP the war --- and the next, they're refunding it!!!


I'll keep hoping --- but there is no talking about a Plan B after this when

so many keep all their hopes in one basket.

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:14 PM
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35. Wow, I can't believe not a single person has mentioned the Supreme Court
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 10:15 PM by ihavenobias
I'm sympathetic to the idea that Obama will inherit a fiery bag of shit at the White House door step as well as a ring at the doorbell (i.e. he'll be blamed for the last 8 years).

That's the ONLY consolation I would have were McCain to win. But overall there is no way in hell I could actively root for Obama to lose or for McCain to win. If nothing else, adding another 2-3 Supreme Court Justices would be devastating. That would mean a radical right Supreme Court for years if not decades.

BTW, I have no opinion on Malloy, good or bad. I'm just speaking generally here, and I'm willing to consider the possibility that he's being taken out of context.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:19 PM
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40. IMO, the Supreme Court is so sickening that it would take MAJOR change to
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 10:21 PM by defendandprotect
straighten things out --- 15 judges?

The right-wing court has been an embarrassment throughout the world ---

and IMO the 2000 steal was the end of them having any credibility.

And Bush may arrange to appoint another one or two before he leaves . . . ??

All it takes is someone's early death --- or two.


Also . . . my most important issue is Global Warming ---

but other than nationalizing the oil industry and getting electric cars on the roads ---

stopping animal-exploitation and explaining to Americans why they are getting ill from

eating animals . . . it may already be too late.

Who do I want to be president if I'm "Katrina'ed" .... not McCain --- !!!







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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:22 PM
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41. If that's the case McCain winning would be even WORSE
The Supreme Court is currently center-right and it would be radically to the right. And no, I don't think it's currently radically to the right on all issues as evidenced by some of the recent rulings.

But yes, overall I'm not happy about it. I just recognize it could be a LOT worse.

PS---You're 100% right about 2000. Historians will have a field day with that one.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:55 PM
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50. The Supreme Court is now fascist and a farce --- and that was true before 2000--!!!
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 10:55 PM by defendandprotect
They're also largely corrupt . . . I must add for the overkill.

I haven't kept track of the recent opinions by the individuals --

but I think Beyer is an elitist, Kennedy is a huge jerk -- and there isn't much left

to hold it to anything meaningful.

Ruther Bader Ginsburg, John Paul . . . David Souter has been a surprising help, as
much as I'm aware ---

I was suprised to see that Ginsburg is the oldest!



Justice Appointed
In Appointed
By At Age
John G. Roberts
(Chief Justice) 2005 G. W. Bush 50
John Paul Stevens 1975 Ford 55
Samuel A. Alito, Jr. 2006 G. W. Bush 55
Antonin Scalia 1986 Reagan 50
Anthony Kennedy 1988 Reagan 52
David Souter 1990 Bush 51
Clarence Thomas 1991 Bush 43
Ruth Bader Ginsburg 1993 Clinton 60
Stephen Breyer 1994 Clinton 56


Anymore GOP is simply more destruction ---

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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:15 PM
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38. I love Mikey...I don't have to agree with him 100%
I still love listening to him. Knock off the bashing, don't make me stop this thread and go over there....
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:25 PM
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42. Umm, not so much. He's asking people do something a few find difficult.
To think. To think strategically. To think about what will happen if if Obama tries to wrest back control of the state apparatus from the corporations that have there agents in all the key positions. Or, on the other hand, if he tries to come to some accommodation with that reality. With all the rabid righties sxcreaming in unison that all the shit that will continue to rain down on the people of the US and the planet for years is all his fault.

That's why he asks if people believe Obama is a miracle worker, or just human.

And, in that scenario, what happens to the Democratic Party, which has already shown itself to be less than effective at fighting corporatism. On the other hand, if McCain were the new King, whose head would the people demand, and what would be the future of the progressive movement?

Something to consider. I don't know the answer. I'll, as usual, just vote for the Dem and hope for the best, but it is a difficult question about long term strategy and worth thinking and talking about.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:26 PM
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43. Again, while I'm sympathetic to that argument the trump card here is the Supreme Court n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:07 PM
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53. Again, we're dealing with an idea I disagree with -- it would be immoral . . .
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 11:08 PM by defendandprotect
at the least ---

I don't know anything about Molloy but I can see what he's getting at ---

Nader said this another way . . . that maybe it was going to take people like Bush in
office to make clear how bad things can geet ---

Nader certainly wasn't hoping for things to get worse -- but for the public to wake up!

And, I could see that maybe that's what Molloy is hoping???



And, just dealing with the idea of McCain as "the new king" . . . I think he'd have so
many of the buttons at his control that the public would be confused and dismissed --
just like what has been happening the past 8 years!

America is liberal and progressive --- that's why the right-wing has to try to control
everything -- especially the "free press" because any bit of truth can shatter the myth.


I keep asking about a Plan B here if they STEAL this election again ---

or if Obama becomes a corporatist leader ---

And/or the DLC starts to take over more of the party ---

There is little thinking or none here re Plan B ---

and in order for progressives to effectively move to a new party or third party ---

it has to be done en masse. We'd probably also be happier if we had IRV.


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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 08:17 PM
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80. Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower, William Blum warns
I would say we are in desperate need of plan B, C, D, E-----

I have been thinking for years I am just paranoid.

Paranoid Shift
by Michael Hasty
Online Journal Contributing Writer
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/hasty01.htm

January 10, 2004 — Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man. He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life. In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of "freedom" and "democracy." They really only wanted "absolute power."

Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit "sixty of Allen Dulles' closest friends" to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis. In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again "in hell."

The transformation of James Jesus Angleton from an enthusiastic, Ivy League cold warrior, to a bitter old man, is an extreme example of a phenomenon I call a "paranoid shift." I recognize the phenomenon, because something similar happened to me.

Although I don't remember ever meeting James Jesus Angleton, I worked at the CIA myself as a low-level clerk as a teenager in the '60s. This was at the same time I was beginning to question the government's actions in Vietnam. In fact, my personal "paranoid shift" probably began with the disillusionment I felt when I realized that the story of American foreign policy was, at the very least, more complicated and darker than I had hitherto been led to believe.

But for most of the next 30 years, even though I was a radical, I nevertheless held faith in the basic integrity of a system where power ultimately resided in the people, and whereby if enough people got together and voted, real and fundamental change could happen.

What constitutes my personal paranoid shift is that I no longer believe this to be necessarily true.

In his book, Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower, William Blum warns of how the media will make anything that smacks of "conspiracy theory" an immediate "object of ridicule." This prevents the media from ever having to investigate the many strange interconnections among the ruling class — for example, the relationship between the boards of directors of media giants, and the energy, banking and defense industries. These unmentionable topics are usually treated with what Blum calls "the media's most effective tool — silence." But in case somebody's asking questions, all you have to do is say, "conspiracy theory," and any allegation instantly becomes too frivolous to merit serious attention.

On the other hand, since my paranoid shift, whenever I hear the words "conspiracy theory" (which seems more often, lately) it usually means someone is getting too close to the truth.

Take September 11 — which I identify as the date my paranoia actually shifted, though I didn't know it at the time.

Unless I'm paranoid, it doesn't make any sense at all that George W. Bush, commander-in-chief, sat in a second-grade classroom for 20 minutes after he was informed that a second plane had hit the World Trade Center, listening to children read a story about a goat. Nor does it make sense that the Number 2 man, Dick Cheney — even knowing that "the commander" was on a mission in Florida — nevertheless sat at his desk in the White House, watching TV, until the Secret Service dragged him out by the armpits.

Unless I'm paranoid, it makes no sense that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld sat at his desk until Flight 77 hit the Pentagon — well over an hour after the military had learned about the multiple hijacking in progress. It also makes no sense that the brand-new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff sat in a Senate office for two hours while the 9/11 attacks took place, after leaving explicit instructions that he not be disturbed — which he wasn't.

In other words, while the 9/11 attacks were occurring, the entire top of the chain of command of the most powerful military in the world sat at various desks, inert. Why weren't they in the "Situation Room?" Don't any of them ever watch "West Wing?"

In a sane world, this would be an object of major scandal. But here on this side of the paranoid shift, it's business as usual.

Years, even decades before 9/11, plans had been drawn up for American forces to take control of the oil interests of the Middle East, for various imperialist reasons. And these plans were only contingent upon "a catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor," to gain the majority support of the American public to set the plans into motion. When the opportunity presented itself, the guards looked the other way . . . and presto, the path to global domination was open.



Simple, as long as the media played along. And there is voluminous evidence that the media play along. Number one on Project Censored's annual list of underreported stories in 2002 was the Project for a New American Century (now the infrastructure of the Bush Regime), whose report, published in 2000, contains the above "Pearl Harbor" quote.

Why is it so hard to believe serious people who have repeatedly warned us that powerful ruling elites are out to dominate "the masses?" Did we think Dwight Eisenhower was exaggerating when he warned of the extreme "danger" to democracy of "the military industrial complex?" Was Barry Goldwater just being a quaint old-fashioned John Bircher when he said that the Trilateral Commission was "David Rockefeller's latest scheme to take over the world, by taking over the government of the United States?" Were Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt or Joseph Kennedy just being class traitors when they talked about a small group of wealthy elites who operate as a hidden government behind the government? Especially after he died so mysteriously, why shouldn't we believe the late CIA Director William Colby, who bragged about how the CIA "owns everyone of any major significance in the major media?"

Why can't we believe James Jesus Angleton — a man staring eternal judgment in the face — when he says that the founders of the Cold War national security state were only interested in "absolute power?" Especially when the descendant of a very good friend of Allen Dulles now holds power in the White House.

Prescott Bush, the late, aristocratic senator from Connecticut, and grandfather of George W Bush, was not only a good friend of Allen Dulles, CIA director, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, and international business lawyer. He was also a client of Dulles' law firm. As such, he was the beneficiary of Dulles' miraculous ability to scrub the story of Bush's treasonous investments in the Third Reich out of the news media, where it might have interfered with Bush's political career . . . not to mention the presidential careers of his son and grandson.

Recently declassified US government documents, unearthed last October by investigative journalist John Buchanan at the New Hampshire Gazette, reveal that Prescott Bush's involvement in financing and arming the Nazis was more extensive than previously known. Not only was Bush managing director of the Union Banking Corporation, the American branch of Hitler's chief financier's banking network; but among the other companies where Bush was a director — and which were seized by the American government in 1942, under the Trading With the Enemy Act — were a shipping line which imported German spies; an energy company that supplied the Luftwaffe with high-ethyl fuel; and a steel company that employed Jewish slave labor from the Auschwitz concentration camp.

Like all the other Bush scandals that have been swept under the rug in the privatized censorship of the corporate media, these revelations have been largely ignored, with the exception of a single article in the Associated Press. And there are those, even on the left, who question the current relevance of this information.

But Prescott Bush's dealings with the Nazis do more than illustrate a family pattern of genteel treason and war profiteering — from George Senior's sale of TOW missiles to Iran at the same time he was selling biological and chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein, to Junior's zany misadventures in crony capitalism in present-day Iraq.

More disturbing by far are the many eerie parallels between Adolph Hitler and George W. Bush:

A conservative, authoritarian style, with public appearances in military uniform (which no previous American president has ever done while in office). Government by secrecy, propaganda and deception. Open assaults on labor unions and workers' rights. Preemptive war and militant nationalism. Contempt for international law and treaties. Suspiciously convenient "terrorist" attacks, to justify a police state and the suspension of liberties. A carefully manufactured image of "The Leader," who's still just a "regular guy" and a "moderate." "Freedom" as the rationale for every action. Fantasy economic growth, based on unprecedented budget deficits and massive military spending.

And a cold, pragmatic ideology of fascism — including the violent suppression of dissent and other human rights; the use of torture, assassination and concentration camps; and most important, Benito Mussolini's preferred definition of "fascism" as "corporatism, because it binds together the interests of corporations and the state."

By their fruits, you shall know them.

What perplexes me most is probably the same question that plagues most paranoiacs: why don't other people see these connections?

Oh, sure, there may be millions of us, lurking at websites like Online Journal, From the Wilderness, Center for Cooperative Research, and the Center for Research on Globalization, checking out right-wing conspiracists and the galaxy of 9/11 sites, and reading columnists like Chris Floyd at the Moscow Times, and Maureen Farrell at Buzzflash. But we know we are only a furtive minority, the human remnant among the pod people in the live-action, 21st-century version of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers."

And being paranoid, we have to figure out, with an answer that fits into our system, why more people don't see the connections we do. Fortunately, there are a number of possible explanations.

First on the list would have to be what Marshal McLuhan called the "cave art of the electronic age:" advertising. Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Karl Rove, gave credit for most of his ideas on how to manipulate mass opinion to American commercial advertising, and to the then-new science of "public relations." But the public relations universe available to the corporate empire that rules the world today makes the Goebbels operation look primitive. The precision of communications technology and graphics; the century of research on human psychology and emotion; and the uniquely centralized control of triumphant post-Cold War monopoly capitalism, have combined to the point where "the manufacture of consent" can be set on automatic pilot.

A second major reason people won't make the paranoid shift is that they are too fundamentally decent. They can't believe that the elected leaders of our country, the people they've been taught through 12 years of public school to admire and trust, are capable of sending young American soldiers to their deaths and slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent civilians, just to satisfy their greed — especially when they're so rich in the first place. Besides, America is good, and the media are liberal and overly critical.

Third, people don't want to look like fools. Being a "conspiracy theorist" is like being a creationist. The educated opinion of eminent experts on every TV and radio network is that any discussion of "oil" being a motivation for the US invasion of Iraq is just out of bounds, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a "conspiracy theorist." We can trust the integrity of our "no-bid" contracting in Iraq, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a "conspiracy theorist." Of course, people sometimes make mistakes, but our military and intelligence community did the best they could on and before September 11, and anybody who thinks otherwise is a "conspiracy theorist."

Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole assassin of JFK, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a "conspiracy theorist."

Perhaps the biggest hidden reason people don't make the paranoid shift is that knowledge brings responsibility. If we acknowledge that an inner circle of ruling elites controls the world's most powerful military and intelligence system; controls the international banking system; controls the most effective and far-reaching propaganda network in history; controls all three branches of government in the world's only superpower; and controls the technology that counts the people's votes, we might be then forced to conclude that we don't live in a particularly democratic system. And then voting and making contributions and trying to stay informed wouldn't be enough. Because then the duty of citizenship would go beyond serving as a loyal opposition, to serving as a "loyal resistance" — like the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War, except that in this case the resistance to fascism would be on the side of the national ideals, rather than the government; and a violent insurgency would not only play into the empire's hands, it would be doomed from the start.

Forming a nonviolent resistance movement, on the other hand, might mean forsaking some middle class comfort, and it would doubtless require a lot of work. It would mean educating ourselves and others about the nature of the truly apocalyptic beast we face. It would mean organizing at the most basic neighborhood level, face to face. (We cannot put our trust in the empire's technology.) It would mean reaching across turf lines and transcending single-issue politics, forming coalitions and sharing data and names and strategies, and applying energy at every level of government, local to global. It would also probably mean civil disobedience, at a time when the Bush regime is starting to classify that action as "terrorism." In the end, it may mean organizing a progressive confederacy to govern ourselves, just as our revolutionary founders formed the Continental Congress. It would mean being wise as serpents, and gentle as doves.

It would be a lot of work. It would also require critical mass. A paradigm shift.

But as a paranoid, I'm ready to join the resistance. And the main reason is I no longer think that the "conspiracy" is much of a "theory."

That the US House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that the murder of John Fitzgerald Kennedy was "probably" the result of "a conspiracy," and that 70 percent of Americans agree with this conclusion, is not a "theory." It's fact.

That the Bay of Pigs fiasco, "Operation Zapata," was organized by members of Skull and Bones, the ghoulish and powerful secret society at Yale University whose membership also included Prescott, George Herbert Walker and George W Bush; that two of the ships that carried the Cuban counterrevolutionaries to their appointment with absurdity were named the "Barbara" and the "Houston" — George HW Bush's city of residence at the time — and that the oil company Bush owned, then operating in the Caribbean area, was named "Zapata," is not "theory." It's fact.

That George Bush was the CIA director who kept the names of what were estimated to be hundreds of American journalists, considered to be CIA "assets," from the Church Committee, the US Senate Intelligence Committe chaired by Senator Frank Church that investigated the CIA in the 1970s; that a 1971 University of Michigan study concluded that, in America, the more TV you watched, the less you knew; and that a recent survey by international scholars found that Americans were the most "ignorant" of world affairs out of all the populations they studied, is not a "theory." It's fact.

That the Council on Foreign Relations has a history of influence on official US government foreign policy; that the protection of US supplies of Middle East oil has been a central element of American foreign policy since the Second World War; and that global oil production has been in decline since its peak year, 2000, is not "theory." It's fact.

That, in the early 1970s, the newly-formed Trilateral Commission published a report which recommended that, in order for "globalization" to succeed, American manufacturing jobs had to be exported, and American wages had to decline, which is exactly what happened over the next three decades; and that, during that same period, the richest one percent of Americans doubled their share of the national wealth, is not "theory." It's fact.

That, beyond their quasi-public role as agents of the US Treasury Department, the Federal Reserve Banks are profit-making corporations, whose beneficiaries include some of America's wealthiest families; and that the United States has a virtual controlling interest in the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and the World Trade Organization, the three dominant global financial institutions, is not a "theory." It's fact.

That — whether it's heroin from Southeast Asia in the '60s and '70s, or cocaine from Central America and heroin from Afghanistan in the '80s, or cocaine from Colombia in the '90s, or heroin from Afghanistan today — no major CIA covert operation has ever lacked a drug smuggling component, and that the CIA has hired Nazis, fascists, drug dealers, arms smugglers, mass murderers, perverts, sadists, terrorists and the Mafia, is not "theory." It's fact.

That the international oil industry is the dominant player in the global economy; that the Bush family has a decades-long business relationship with the Saudi royal family, Saudi oil money, and the family of Osama bin Laden; that, as president, both George Bushes have favored the interests of oil companies over the public interest; that both George Bushes have personally profited financially from Middle East oil; and that American oil companies doubled their records for quarterly profits in the months just preceding the invasion of Iraq, is not "theory." It's fact.

That the 2000 presidential election was deliberately stolen; that the pro-Bush/anti-Gore bias in the corporate media had spiked markedly in the last three weeks of the campaign; that corporate media were then virtually silent about the Florida recount; and that the Bush 2000 team had planned to challenge the legitimacy of the election if George W had won the popular, but lost the electoral vote — exactly what happened to Gore — is not "theory." It's fact.

That the intelligence about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was deceptively "cooked" by the Bush administration; that anybody paying attention to people like former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter, knew before the invasion that the weapons were a hoax; and that American forces in Iraq today are applying the same brutal counterinsurgency tactics pioneered in Central America in the 1980s, under the direct supervision of then-Vice President George HW Bush, is not a "theory." It's fact.

That "Rebuilding America's Defenses," the Project for a New American Century's 2000 report, and The Grand Chessboard, a book published a few years earlier by Trilateral Commission co-founder Zbigniew Brzezinski, both recommended a more robust and imperial US military presence in the oil basin of the Middle East and the Caspian region; and that both also suggested that American public support for this energy crusade would depend on public response to a new "Pearl Harbor," is not "theory." It's fact.

That, in the 1960s, the Joint Chiefs of Staff unanimously approved a plan called "Operation Northwoods," to stage terrorist attacks on American soil that could be used to justify an invasion of Cuba; and that there is currently an office in the Pentagon whose function is to instigate terrorist attacks that could be used to justify future strategically-desired military responses, is not a "theory." It's fact.

That neither the accusation by former British Environmental Minister Michael Meacham, Tony Blair's longest-serving cabinet minister, that George W Bush allowed the 9/11 attacks to happen to justify an oil war in the Middle East; nor the RICO lawsuit filed by 9/11 widow Ellen Mariani against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the Council on Foreign Relations (among others), on the grounds that they conspired to let the attacks happen to cash in on the ensuing war profiteering, has captured the slightest attention from American corporate media is not a "theory." It's fact.

That the FBI has completely exonerated — though never identified — the speculators who purchased, a few days before the attacks (through a bank whose previous director is now the CIA executive director), an unusual number of "put" options, and who made millions betting that the stocks in American and United Airlines would crash, is not a "theory." It's fact.

That the US intelligence community received numerous warnings, from multiple sources, throughout the summer of 2001, that a major terrorist attack on American interests was imminent; that, according to the chair of the "independent" 9/11 commission, the attacks "could have and should have been prevented," and according to a Senate Intelligence Committee member, "All the dots were connected;" that the White House has verified George W Bush's personal knowledge, as of August 6, 2001, that these terrorist attacks might be domestic and might involve hijacked airliners; that, in the summer of 2001, at the insistence of the American Secret Service, anti-aircraft ordnance was installed around the city of Genoa, Italy, to defend against a possible terrorist suicide attack, by aircraft, against George W Bush, who was attending the economic summit there; and that George W Bush has nevertheless regaled audiences with his first thought upon seeing the "first" plane hit the World Trade Center, which was: "What a terrible pilot," is not "theory." It's fact.

That, on the morning of September 11, 2001: standard procedures and policies at the nation's air defense and aviation bureaucracies were ignored, and communications were delayed; the black boxes of the planes that hit the WTC were destroyed, but hijacker Mohammed Atta's passport was found in pristine condition; high-ranking Pentagon officers had cancelled their commercial flight plans for that morning; George H.W. Bush was meeting in Washington with representatives of Osama bin Laden's family, and other investors in the world's largest private equity firm, the Carlyle Group; the CIA was conducting a previously-scheduled mock exercise of an airliner hitting the Pentagon; the chairs of both the House and Senate Intelligence Committees were having breakfast with the chief of Pakistan's intelligence agency, who resigned a week later on suspicion of involvement in the 9/11 attacks; and the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the United States sat in a second grade classroom for 20 minutes after hearing that a second plane had struck the towers, listening to children read a story about a goat, is not "theoretical." These are facts.

That the Bush administration has desperately fought every attempt to independently investigate the events of 9/11, is not a "theory."

Nor, finally, is it in any way a "theory" that the one, single name that can be directly linked to the Third Reich, the US military industrial complex, Skull and Bones, Eastern Establishment good ol' boys, the Illuminati, Big Texas Oil, the Bay of Pigs, the Miami Cubans, the Mafia, the FBI, the JFK assassination, the New World Order, Watergate, the Republican National Committee, Eastern European fascists, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the United Nations, CIA headquarters, the October Surprise, the Iran/Contra scandal, Inslaw, the Christic Institute, Manuel Noriega, drug-running "freedom fighters" and death squads, Iraqgate, Saddam Hussein, weapons of mass destruction, the blood of innocents, the savings and loan crash, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, the "Octopus," the "Enterprise," the Afghan mujaheddin, the War on Drugs, Mena (Arkansas), Whitewater, Sun Myung Moon, the Carlyle Group, Osama bin Laden and the Saudi royal family, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, and the presidency and vice-presidency of the United States, is: George Herbert Walker Bush.

"Theory?" To the contrary.

It is a well-documented, tragic and — especially if you're paranoid — terrifying fact.

Michael Hasty is a writer, activist, musician, carpenter and farmer. His award-winning column, "Thinking Locally," appeared for seven years in the Hampshire Review, West Virginia's oldest newspaper. His writing has also appeared in the Highlands Voice, the Washington Peace Letter, the Takoma Park Newsletter, the German magazine Generational Justice, and the Washington Post; and at the websites Common Dreams and Democrats.com. In January 1989, he was the media spokesperson for the counter-inaugural coalition at George Bush's Counter-Inaugural Banquet, which fed hundreds of DC's homeless in front of Union Station, where the official inaugural dinner was being held.

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:27 PM
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44. why does mike malloy hate liberals?
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 10:28 PM by orleans
hey
bottom line:
WE CAN'T FUCKING AFFORD MCPAIN OR ANY OTHER FUCKING REPUBLIKA FOR FOUR YEARS--NOT AFTER ALL THE SHIT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH!!!

obama isn't perfect (he's not the wet-dream of ubber liberals)but if he doesn't win then mcpain gets in and we just can't FUCKING AFFORD IT! and we don't have time (4 years, 8 years, anymore years) to be fucking around with this.

on edit:
it's just that simple.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:44 PM
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47. This thread needs an irony detector.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:46 PM
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48. !!
:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:36 PM
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45. I sent Malloy an e-mail
telling him I firmly believe we're all reeling from post-traumatic stress disorder from 7-1/2 years of unprecedented lying, corruption, torture and needless death. Nerve endings are on high alert and tempers are short regardless of political persuasion. The reality is we've gotta pick off one-by-one ALL the elected representatives who don't truly represent us. Then we must replace them with Constitution-following people who love their country and its' ideals.:patriot:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:10 PM
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54. Do you see anyone targeting anyone . . . ???
I haven't seen one fund-raiser in my in-box saying contribute because we need to get

rid of X or Y ---

Am I wrong --- maybe I've reached my max on reading!!
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 10:49 PM
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49. He's jumped the shark. Then he doubled back and jumped it again, just to be sure.
I could tell in the ten minutes a night I hear as I drive to work.

If the dumbass advocates a McCain presidency, then he has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to bitch and whine about it afterwards (that goes for PUMA's too)if McCain wins.

I don't know how he'll fill his time slot then.

Maybe he can spin some oldies or something.

If we left Five Plane McCain to clean up *'s mess, it's only going to get worse.

Then what? Let the next Republican candidate in 2016 inherit THAT mess?

Somehow I doubt any of us will be left by then to worry about it.

Just the cockroaches and republicans.



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SoCalDemGrrl Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:05 AM
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58. Malloy has definitely jumped the shark today. I listened for
the first hour and a half and he displayed sheer contempt
for anyone who dared to disagree with him.

According to Malloy we are all faux liberals/progressives because
we dare to question his perspective.

Just to set the record straight, we are loyal listeners of Malloy,
but jeez he just lost it.

I hope he sleeps on it and his wife can talk some sense into him by tomorrow's show!
Maybe he just needs to get laid... Kathy - you listening????
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:20 AM
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59. Wow-is this Democratic Underground? Because you could fool me with all this dissing of Mike Malloy!
:wtf:

I don't listen to Mike all that much because I'm just not a radio person but IMHO, Mike ROCKS and is one of the few-THE VERY FEW-who have held on to true blue liberal ideals and principles and who fought his ass off to have those ideals and principles be heard on the airwaves.

To see him dissed like he is being on this thread on Democratic Underground (of all places!) makes me sick to my stomach. :puke:
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 12:41 AM
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61. I'm with you.
I've been listening to Mike for a few years now and I've learned to appreciate his anger towards the BFEE and cowardly Dems because it helps me cope with my own.

Mike has been around long enough and seen enough to understand just what a horrible predicament this country is in. He's an extremely cynical guy, to be sure, but just because he goes on air saying he's hoping for a McSame victory does not in any way indicate that he wants any further harm done to our country.

Hell, in many ways I agree that whoever wins in November is going to be facing one huge wall of shit, and the thought of a solidly Dem Congress heaping it up on McSame just might be preferable to having a Dem Congress and Obama share the blame equally in the minds of our distracted public.

Really, in my mind it's hard to say which would play out better in the long run. I fully support Obama despite what I see as his too-centrist positions on some issues. He can talk, think and govern circles around McSame, in his sleep, with all four limbs tied behind his back and blindfolded! But do I want Obama to be the target of America's growing anger when the economy really goes south and people by the tens of millions end up in dire straits if the bottom falls out? HELL NO, and neither does Mike!

Rock on, Mike! You're still one of the best voices out there and you always will be.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 01:03 AM
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62. I think the majority of them are freepers!
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 01:19 AM
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64. Not freepers - just the usual clique who always
demand that the progressives shut up instead of pushing the Corporatist Dems to side with the people. They dumped on Malloy long before this topic, and will continue to dump on anything more than halfway progressive until they either die or get a clue.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 07:16 AM
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68. Probably true to an extent - but I believe it's not very conducive to our cause
I consider myself a liberal and I support the vast majority of what Mike does. However, I just don't support his argument that just because things are bad that it would be better to let McCain have this election so we can clean up later. At what cost? What would we lose in just four years? Too much, if you ask me.

Obama is far from a perfect candidate and I acknowledge that. But he's a rare leader that people actually are driven by and motivated to give more of themselves for the greater good of the nation. I have every confidence that he will pick people that are competent and can make the hard decisions that will have to be made to correct this sinking ship. Letting the ship sink just so we can salvage it later just doesn't appeal to me - we would lose more than we would gain, even if we are proven right in the end.

As I said in another post, the people attacking his daughter are out of line and disgusting. But I would really like to see what they are saying because there's a far cry from someone saying that his daughter is at stake (which I agree with) if we let McCain "have this one" so we can win later and threatening his daughter in another baseless manner.
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SoCalDemGrrl Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 01:08 AM
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79. Au contraire!! We are rabid Malloy fans who are AMAZED at his actions!!
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SoCalDemGrrl Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-08 01:06 AM
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78. Hey Golden Rule you had to have listened to believe it. I'm far from a freeper,
Edited on Sat Aug-09-08 01:07 AM by SoCalDemGrrl
in fact my son worked for Gore 2000 and the Dem convention and my family has been involved in
Dem politics for generations.

I am a lifelong Dem and my husband and I (at least until last night) considered ourselves rabid Mike Malloy fans, but Malloy really has gone off the deep end and unless
you hear it for yourself you just won't believe it!!!

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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 05:22 AM
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66. playing the doormat 'good cop' hasn't been working and we have serious issues.
sure, McCain cannot be the president for the viability of the nation in the next 4 years. but our expectations are way too high. and that's what Malloy is furious about. we cannot rest, we have real serious issues, we're being set up for another "Jimmy Carter" scenario, and we haven't squeezed the balls of the DNC/DLC/DCCC enough to make them truly fear us and be a real opposition party. us, we, have to remember that it's more than just Party and President; it's about real systemic change, power that is actually used (looking at Congress here) and real pressure from the grassroots to keep the rest of the capitulating side of our party in line.

now, we live in serious times, with serious issues -- politics as usual cannot cut it. we cannot afford a repeat of the "Moral Majority" revolution. we cannot afford endless concessions of a Congressional majority to a minority. after Presidency and this election there has to be real accountability. if we keep rewarding those who lead in capitulation, what would stop them from doing all the same capitulation/collaboration again? and what does that do for the solvency of the country? do we just sit and take it as the walls come tumbling down? because they really are teetering, if not falling already.

that's where Malloy is at. these are serious questions and the age of maneuvering and party loyalty just died last election. there are no more chances left, so what's our back up plan? hope? faith in repeating the same efforts in another election cycle? participatory democracy is more than just voting for big leaders every 2-4 years. where's our answers, let alone where's our serious discussion among ourselves, let alone our leaders. angst and anger no longer cuts it; where's the planning?
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 06:45 AM
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67. BINGO!
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 07:24 AM
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69. The Supreme Court is the reason that a dem must be elected
I'm sure there will be several SCOTUS seats that will be filled by the next President. I understand his point, at least I think I do, and the next President has tons to clean up, and they will get blamed for a lot of leftover crap from the current administration no matter who wins the election. If the McCain that ran in 2000 was the same McCain that is running today. He was a maverick in 2000, he is a full fledged neocon in 2008. We can't afford another war, or 4 more years of the same thing.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 01:26 PM
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70. Someone on Washington Journal this morning was pointing out
that Obama would probably wind up replacing two liberals with two liberals because the conservatives wouldn't leave the court during his term(s). Is that true? I'm not really up on the Court.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 03:38 PM
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72. Pretty much...
But those are the judges that are the oldest. Stevens, Ginsberg, and Breyer. Souter may have been appointed by a republican, but he believes in the constitution. Scalia is the other "old guy" on the court, but he has no intention of leaving. I think Stevens and Ginsberg have been holding on for a dem President for a while. I don't know if they can hold out for another 4 years, Ginsberg has had cancer and Stevens is something like 89. So if McCain gets in, there is probably a good chance that he would get to replace at least one of them. That would be a disaster. The only way a President Obama would be able to replace a republican judge is if one of them died unexpectedly. So I think we need a dem President just to maintain the status quo.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:07 PM
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73. Thanks, MiniMe. That makes sense.
:hi:
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 01:54 PM
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71. Well if you can't handle the truth and reality
Then don't listen. All of this complete crap of the same hand fed talking point about supreme court judges is just crap .

Most of you people can only focus in on one small issue and never see the big picture at all. This is all Malloy was trying to point out.

If you must have this Obama will save the world ideolgy then have it but don't spread it around as if it applies to everyone.

The other has been getting Obama in and then holding his feet to the fire. Forget about it , ain't going to happen or it would have by now.

I think many people hear only what they want to hear and critical thinking has gone out the window as if it is a crime to think outside the box , the box that has been placed right there to suck you in and now you're stuck in it.

I can't think of one thing that is not completely screwed up in this country and there are no easy fixes and there is no one who can be president and fix this mess. You are looking at decades to come.

You want hope , make it yourself and hope you make it through this .
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:09 PM
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74. Kick
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 04:12 PM
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75. I love to listen to Mike but,..
sometimes I think he just has had a little too much to drink and is just frustrated with all of the crooks and liars in the government as well as other places.
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MaryRN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-08 08:09 PM
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77. Love ya, Mike...n/t
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