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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 04:12 AM
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If you didn't want to hear about John Edwards any more you are out of luck.
He gave just enough information and made everything sound shady enough that the MSM and everyone else is going to be examining every last aspect with a magnifying glass.

Now they have enough crap to go over until the convention. And forget any resolution on the baby's father. Apparently no one will ever know and therefore there will be unending speculation.

John Edwards is an idiot as every explanation he made is awfully convenient. He got too cute by half.

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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 04:15 AM
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1. Yep, it's still all over the corporate media. n/t
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 04:21 AM
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2. They even had some psychologist examining his blinks and facial ticks.
Its ridiculous.

Its going to be drip drip drip.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:46 AM
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3. and my knack for seeing people for what they are remains intact n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:32 AM
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4. Exactly right. John Edwards should never have done that
interview on Nightline. If he felt a great need to confess, he should simply have issued a statement. He opened the door with his lying interview.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:07 AM
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5. Had he had an R after his name
it would have dropped off the radar already. As always, it's open season on dems.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:12 AM
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7. nonsense.
The MSM didn't touch this. Contrast that with the NYT story about John McCain and his possible affair with the lobbyist. And Craig was certainly a long running story. The Edwards crap in the MSM started only after his confession last Friday. Your sense of time seems to be a little skewed if you think 4 days is a long time.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:35 AM
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9. Such a victim!
Come on -- Larry Craig was all over the news for weeks, if not months. Deservedly so. The MSM loves sex scandals. Don't pretent this is all because Edwards is a Dem.

God, I hate this victim mentality that some DU'ers have, that we're constantly getting attacked by the MSM while the sainted RW'ers get a pass.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:06 AM
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16. I guess everything must be fine then
How about those forged papers of Cheney's?
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:35 AM
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20. Not sure what you mean
I thought we were talking sex scandals.

????
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:56 AM
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22. I simply mean this story is cheap tabloid pap
real news is avoided by our media. That's all.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:08 AM
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6. It's pretty clear he's never going to come clean. He's going to let this drag on.
He's not addressed sufficiently the way money was moved around to keep the paramour happy and out of sight. He's dirty, and that's the bottom line. He's not going to fess up. He proved that in his lousy fess up session recently. What an asshole! I'm sorry I ever supported him. He's as phony as his critics always said.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:13 AM
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8. Yeah. I didn't support him the first time, because I thought he was a phony. Should have listened
to my gut this last time.

I feel so badly for Elizabeth. What a way to end her life. The stress of all this going public
will not help her cancer.

I do wonder whether she tried to stop him from running for President when she found out about the affair. Elizabeth has always struck me as someone pretty solidly grounded and someone who would
have understood that if the affair became public it would dynamite his career--especially when caught
lying about it.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:36 AM
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29. I honestly bought that cornball "I love my wife" spiel of his.
I should have know such a committed pretty boy was narcissistic.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:23 PM
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34. I agree with your description of Elizabeth
This makes me wonder if he is telling the truth about 2006. They were already campaigning, doing book tours etc and there was never a period you could point to where there seemed to be any unusal tension between them. It may be she learned shortly before he pulled out of the race. (I think she would have advised him to tell the truth.)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:12 AM
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24. Yeah, that is of legitimate concern.
It appears that they were already lovers when he gave her the plum video assignment to the tune of $100K. Money that was sent to his campaign by his supporters. Also, what's really going on with that buddy of his who has been giving this woman $15K per month? Edwards said that he didn't know about the payment. Yeah, right.........
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:15 AM
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25. Donors to the PAC that paid her salary are not happy...
Edwards affair seen here as betrayal
Buffalo lawyers believed in him

Local lawyers like Doran gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Edwards’ efforts — including $62,250 of the $1.9 million raised by the Edwards political committee that paid his mistress $114,461 for four YouTube campaign videos.

“We had no idea that money was being used in that way,” said Francis M. Letro, another prominent Western New York lawyer who contributed heavily to Edwards’ efforts because he felt so strongly about Edwards’ efforts to fight poverty.

In addition to the money local lawyers gave to Edwards’ “One America Committee” — which paid Edwards’ mistress, Rielle Hunter, for those videos — attorneys from Western New York raised $230,000 for Edwards’ 2004 presidential campaign and $75,525 for his 2008 effort.

http://www.buffalonews.com/180/story/412521.html
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:54 AM
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26. I don't blame them for being angry.
This is just as egregious as when my former governor (McGreevey) paid his male lover $100K a year to head some security post for which he wasn't even qualified, just like this woman.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:25 PM
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35. NJ was lucky that the state legislature failed to approve that nomination
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:26 PM
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39. True.......... n/t
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 02:19 PM
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33. And . . .
if the child is not his, and the affair was in 2006, why was he in the hotel the other night visiting her??? That does not make sense.

Either the affair is ongoing, or the child is his. Otherwise, there would be no reason to be visiting her.

Come clean and repent, ye sinner! :)

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:27 PM
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36. Unless he was being blackmailed
But if that were the case going to her room in the middle of the night shrieks of "Set Up""
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:30 PM
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37. Interesting!!
Maybe she was the one who tipped off the National Enquirer reporters. Is this a Sydney Sheldon novel or what??? LOL
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:29 PM
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40. Hey, give the man a break!!!
Doesn't everybody meet their former lovers to discuss business in a hotel at 10PM and stay until around 2:30AM?

Geez, such narrow minds!!!

:7
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:37 AM
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10. At first I thought he was way too apologetic, over-doing it.
But now, it looks like if campaign monies were used for hush purposes, he could actually go to jail.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:40 AM
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11. asshole Medved just on CNN was trying to connect it to Obama
saying something about how it shows we don't really know people with short time in office.

but Obama has years of being in public office before he got to the Senate. plus he has been active in politics for years before he ran for public office himself.

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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:48 AM
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13. when all the while it is clear that the Cllintons have everything to gain, and Obama nothing.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:31 AM
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19. If that's the standard
we all already KNOW McBush cheated on and left his wife.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:43 AM
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12. The only reason I am responding to anything related to JE is to tell you, my luck is what I make it,
and I will change the fucking channel. You have fun soaking it all in and then tell me how it benefitted you or anyone else. hmmmf.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:51 AM
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14. Its just like Monica Lewinsky...it will happen regardless of what we want or don't want.
If Bill Clinton had admitted it, would we have gone through impeachment? No.

When you give people what appears to be half the truth, some are going to want to prove it one way or the other.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:58 AM
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15. 2 issues will keep this alive: the money, and the timing.
There's a lot of skepticism that Edwards did not know, and had nothing to do with, setting up Hunter in a very expensive Santa Barbara home, and providing her with a lot of money.

In addition, the timing of the affair that Edwards gives is at variance with the timing of emails Hunter sent to a friend about the affair.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#26140377

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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:18 AM
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17. I think the money trail
is a legitimate issue.

He is obviously still lying about many aspects of this whole deal. It stinks to high heaven that his campaign finance guy is making payments to this woman.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:42 AM
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21. The money is the legitimate issue in all this, not the sex.
Nobody should care about the sex, the money, however, is a totally different story.

If campaign money was indeed funneled to third parties to privately pay off an affair, that IS news. It certainly looks like that is what happened and that issue won't go away.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:40 AM
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47. Completely agree.
I hope this is followed up on all the way.

Edwards has shown himself to be a total hypocrite and liar. Not a large leap to think he is using campaign money dishonestly.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:19 AM
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18. Number 3: the baby.
Until someone can find a way to prove who the father is.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:28 AM
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46. Yep.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:02 AM
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23. It continues because most people think that he's still lying.
Come on, who the hell meets someone in a hotel room at 10PM and stays until 2:30AM just to discuss how to avoid being discovered by the media??? Oh, and he had met her a few times before that night too. If the affair ended in 2006 as he claimed, why the visits?

I'm not judging, it's none of anybody's business what he does in his private life. But, what would have happened if he had been our nominee and this was discovered 2 weeks before the convention?
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:08 AM
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27. Or even worse - 2 weeks after the Convention!
At least if it was before the Convention the delegates could switch their support behind a Clinton-Obama ticket! B-)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:37 PM
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41. Damn!!!
That would have been MY "Dream Ticket". Hillary first and then Obama, 16 years of Democratic rule.

Oh, well.........

:cry:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:18 AM
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28. I keep thinking about the GLBT community
and how his religious upbringing was supposed to have prevented him for supporting same sex marriage.

Didn't prevent him from doing other things though, apparently.

That and how he threw Clinton under the bus for HIS indiscretion.

It's the hypocrisy more than any concern for prudery that gets me.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:44 AM
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30. Yes. Two people in love can't get married, two people who are monogamist.
But he can betray his wife, and it's ok, because Jebus forgave him.

The only places the Bible condemns homosexuality are places where it is condemning all manner of sexual conduct outside a marriage. What the Bible really says is that homosexuality is exactly like eating shrimp or having sex with a woman not your wife. It's one of many things listed as unacceptable.

I don't buy the Bible as authority for anything, and certainly not homosexuality, but for those like John Edwards, who do use the Bible, they should at least be able to admit that two guys doing it are the same under the Bible as a guy and his paramour doing it.

The GLBT community should be bent out of shape.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:54 PM
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32. doing it
Edwards and his paramour were doing it the same as two guys? How do you know that? Was the National Enquirer that specific?!?!?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:42 PM
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42. Oh yeah, my local rag printed the exact quote:
Edwards in 1999:

"I think this president has shown a remarkable disrespect for his office, for the moral dimensions of leadership, for his friends, for his wife, for his precious daughter".

All that over a few BJs. Meanwhile, FF nine years later, Edwards was running for the presidency while having an affair and maybe even fathering a child.

Hypocrisy much???

:eyes:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:02 PM
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31. Do you ever post on anything OTHER than JE's affair????
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:55 AM
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43. Sure I do...
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 01:56 AM by dkf
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6624746&mesg_id=6624746

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6624299&mesg_id=6624299

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3781536&mesg_id=3781536

Those are the posts I did recently, not counting all my comments on numerous things.

BTW, I also post on McCain's first wife and the Clenis. I'm an equal opportunity infidelity basher.

Do you ever post anything that doesn't defend JE's affair?
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 03:40 PM
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38. He should have kept his stupid mouth shut...ALWAYS listen to Richard Pryor.
Deny deny deny...even in the face of overwhelming evidence. As long as you put up a charade, no one will call you on it.

It works for the repubs, it's worked for hundreds of smart rulers in history, and it would have worked for Edwards. Yeah, it's sort of Machevillian and slimy, but it's better than being beat up in the MSM.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:15 AM
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44. And the "average" voter out there doesn't really know
who John Edwards is, never mind that he ran in '04, became the VP nom, and ran again this time.

So big, big deal.

It's as relevant as, uh, who voters wanna have a beer with.

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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:27 AM
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45. agreed. The media is going to focus on the baby.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:49 AM
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48. too bad it wasn't * this happened to maybe we could impeach him
sex sells as they say.
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