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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:22 AM
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Want to turn offshore drilling into something Republicans won't touch?
Let's agree to offshore drilling, but nationalize the offshore drilling.

I think we're all tired of the "Privatized profits, socialized losses" thing we're seeing from the government, big oil, and the contractors right now anyway, so this will allow the American People to see the true colors of the Republican Party.

If we're going to drill here, let's nationalize it. It's our gas, not Exxon's.
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Bob Dobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:24 AM
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1. It's a start.
All energy should be nationalized. It's a security issue.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:24 AM
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2. I like.
They'd flip flop so fast they'd fall over backward trying to get away from the idea.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:29 AM
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3. WTF?!? Nationlizing our national resources would lead immediately to economic collapse
At least, that's what I hear on ever MSM news program and on C-SPAN. Don't tell me that they're wrong?!?
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:54 AM
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28. Economic collapse for whom? Chevron
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:32 AM
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4. American oil for America.
Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 09:34 AM by Opposite Reaction
This includes all leases held for more than 10 years without production. All of those leases revert to the US Gubbamint petroleum dept. for exploration and final disposition.

On edit: Half of the profits from the USPD will go to pay down debt, the other half will go to promote development of alternative energies with special attention paid to US companies and start-ups.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:36 AM
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6. more like "American oil for Americans"
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peanut2010 Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:37 AM
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7. Sounds good to me
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jdlh8894 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:45 AM
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8. And what if those leases
produce no oil? America runs dry? Makes sense to me.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:58 AM
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10. Doubtful if all leases are dry.
Nevertheless, the aggressive financing of domestic alt energy tech is the bulwark against a severe energy deficit. Supporting smaller solar manufactures, for example, will greatly stimulate development of small-scale (read domestic rooftop) concentrator systems, allowing the diversification and democratization of our electricity production which would supplant the move by some to push new LNG generating plants. (CPV development is rapidly progressing worldwide as well as domestically. Some development funds to some domestic manufacturers and some cooperative stimulous to bring tech together will make it explode. No shit)
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jdlh8894 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:19 AM
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18. Thank you
for supporting ALTERNATIVE energy. Most think that wind,solar are REUSABLE. No Shit!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 04:26 PM
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23. Currently 68 million acres of leases contain 100 billion barrels
500 billion barrels at the Bakken formation......


http://www.bluejersey.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8507
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:33 AM
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5. sounds good to me
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:57 AM
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9. Excellent idea. Too bad everyone who could do it is probably being given money by the oil
companies and would never get involved in making it happen.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:00 AM
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12. Maybe we could enter in to a partnership with Chavez and he could
help us with it. I am betting he would take us up on that offer :-).
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:03 AM
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13. :D That's the ticket!!!!!
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:12 AM
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27. Freeper raising hand: "Ah heers them Chi-Neez is good at drillin too!"
We could get us some of that Chi-Nee help.

/freeper
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:18 AM
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17. Let's start small
Alaska Pipeline oil goes to the United States instead of being shipped to Asia where Big Oil gets a better price. Like they promised back in the 1970s when the American taxpayers subsidized the building of that environmental atrocity.
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jdlh8894 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:46 AM
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20. How do they get a better price?
Oil is traded on the world market! And the reason the pipeline comes to the US is because the US has the refineries!
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 11:49 AM
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22. Not true
It was partially true 1995-2000, but oil exports from Alaska stopped in May, 2000

http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/alaskaoil.asp

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/trade/2003/tad/pub/exportsst...
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 09:59 AM
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11. I have said this about ANWR as well. Call their bluff with this and they
will fall like a house of cards.
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sourmilk Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:05 AM
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14. It IS nationalised, to a certain extent, already.
Who collects the money for the oil leases, and who collects a royalty? Who collects the taxes, at the pumps?

Complete energy nationalisation a la Chavez would be a complete NO SALE in the USA.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:11 AM
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15. Petroleum companies get domestic leases cheap.
They hold them for years keeping the oil off of the market since there are no real requirements that they develop or abandon the leases in a timely manner. If they do recover oil, they pay pennies for it then sell it on the international market at current market rates. There are no restrictions as to what market they can sell in to. They also export refined product. They make huge profits. Quite the racket.

Either oil companies pay market rates to the USG when they extract domestically, or the USG does the extraction and then sells domestically. The massive subsifdies to the oil corporations, hidden and otherwise, must stop.
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:16 AM
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16. we don't need
off-shore drilling take a look at the future http://cc.pubco.net/www.valcent.net/i/misc/Vertigro/index.html
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:29 AM
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19. Every new Commercial Development
Mall, Office building, etc. must be energy self sufficient - solar, wind, whatever is applicable to their area .... or at least 50%. Same for residential developments.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 10:59 AM
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21. K&R
Yep, that could fix alot of problems.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 06:17 AM
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24. that's a great idea
i argue with a friend at work over this. he actually had no response when i reminded him that even if we do go drilling, it's not like we'll get the oil. the oil will go to the highest bidder.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 06:47 AM
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25. Lets go a step further and nationalize the entire oil industry
like most other countries do...than maybe most of our production won't go to other countries.

:-)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:00 AM
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26. ok!. . If "we're" going to drill.. let's make sure its OUR oil and not Exxon's.
or Shell's or BP's. .
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