Bush: Why Don’t You Shut Up? A Russian Pravda Editorial Opinion On Georgia

Bush: Why don’t you shut up?
Pravda Editorial
August 12, 2008

President Bush,

Why don’t you shut up? In your statement on Monday regarding the legitimate actions of the Russian Federation in Georgia, you failed to mention once the war crimes perpetrated by Georgian military forces, which American advisors support, against Russian and Ossetian civilians. Kinda embarrassing, eh?

President Bush,

Why don’t you shut up? Your faithful ally, Mikhail Saakashvili, was announcing a ceasefire deal while his troops, with your advisors, were massing on Ossetia’s border, which they crossed under cover of night and destroyed Tskhinvali, targeting civilian structures just like your forces did in Iraq. Kinda humanitarian, eh?

President Bush,

Why don’t you shut up? The military forces of your faithful ally, Georgia, supported by American advisors, while on a mission as peacekeepers in Ossetia, were ordered to open fire on Russian peacekeeping forces in the same team. Kinda noble, eh?

President Bush,

Why don’t you shut up? Your American transport aircraft gave a ride home to thousands of Georgian soldiers from Iraq directly into the combat zone. Did your boys wish them good luck as they stepped off the aircraft? I can almost hear it, “Give ‘em Hell!” Kinda friendly, eh?

President Bush,

Why don’t you shut up? How do you account for the fact that among the Georgian soldiers fleeing the fighting yesterday you could clearly hear officers using American English giving orders to “Get back inside” and how do you account for the fact that there are reports of American soldiers among the Georgian casualties? Kinda odd, eh?

Please read the entire article at:
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/12-08-2008/106067-bushshutup-0

I must have missed that. :shrug:

Georgia invaded South Ossetia, a separatist breakaway republic.

Are you honestly not aware of that or do you support Bush's satellite dictatorship that rules Georgia?

Do you need some news links where you can at least get the other side of the story and perhaps even news that runs counter to the Bush/McCain propaganda machine?

That being said, no one has clean hands in this.

Don't post shit.

That comment is based upon the assumption that you support Bush's puppet dictatorship in Georgia.

If you don't, I apologize for my mistake and comment.


Saakashvili: "Our democracy needs the firm hand of the authorities"
Georgia declares emergency after street battles
By Margarita Antidze and Niko Mchedlishvili
November 7, 2007

TBILISI (Reuters) - Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili on Wednesday declared a 15-day countrywide state of emergency after sending in riot police to battle protestors and special forces stormed a leading opposition TV station.

Prime Minister Zurab Nogaideli said authorities had prevented a coup. Economic Development Minister Georgy Arveladze said that all independent television news programs would be stopped during the 15-day state of emergency.

Riot police used tear gas and water cannon on unarmed demonstrators. Special forces troops wielding automatic weapons stormed the country's main opposition television channel, Imedi, which was then taken off air.

"We cannot let our country become the stage for dirty geo-political escapades by other countries," Saakashvili told the nation in a television broadcast. "Our democracy needs the firm hand of the authorities."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL0739373520071107

View the slideshow of the cops breaking up anti-government demonstrations at:

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/articleslideshow?a...

It is not. It was tripe during the Communist years and is basically a worthless rag now...check the other articles if you don't believe me. There are reputable newspapers. This is not one.

It was probably more of a "worthless rag" during the Soviet Union years after Stalin took power but it's much more interesting and reliable today.

It certainly isn't any worse than the corporate run media in the United States and Pravda is one of the few places where you can read the Russian point of view or any alternative point of view on Georgia.

Now you can disagree with the opinions expressed by their writers but that doesn't mean they don't ever tell the truth or present factual information that we don't have access too in the corporate media here.

On the level of the National Enquirer or the World News. It really is. I mean UFOs, Batboy, Bigfoot and all...ask a Russian if you don't believe me. Jesus, I've f***ing lived there...it's a rag.

Esli vi menj ne dogovorites...ne znayu kak obesnit...

the article in question isn't news, it's an editorial. An "opinion" need not be "accurate", it's *expected* to be slanted.

Like it or not, this is the opinion that Russia wants to communicate to the world.

Since our country has absolutely no credibility, the world will welcome this opinion as a plausible viewpoint.

n/t

who are you kidding? Why do you think they were targeted by the ANTHRAX KILLER? Pravda was against the Iraq illegal war when the rest of the world said bomb bomb bomb bomb Iraq.

Just stop now.

SERIOUSLY! Pravda is a pile of shit. It is to the level of the tabloids you find in the grocery store.

Ask a Russian. Jesus I've lived there. It is crap.

Maybe you should "just stop now" before talking about a journalistic pile of trash that you know very little of.

Good defense.

and you are truly in the wrong.

(By the way...the v and f key are rather close to each other...typo versus grammar...I suppose writing the same f***ing fact 50 times will make me do that...but hey, if you want to let my spelling error account for a victory....go for it.

good fucking bye, join my ignore list.



obstinance
A noun
1 stubbornness, bullheadedness, obstinacy, obstinance, pigheadedness, self-will

resolute adherence to your own ideas or desires

the trait of being difficult to handle or overcome

Later clownshoes.

and you are completely wrong. Pravda is really a worthless piece of journaljism (<---typo intentional for sake of a pun...just had to throw that out there.)

and I know what "Obstinate" means...I am so when I actually know what the f*** I am talking about and others do not. Perhaps, you should look up "inexperience" and "ignorance" yourself yourself...apparently you know how to use the ignore function...you're halfway there. Maybe then you can defend "Pravda" from someone who is not a russophile...no probably not. It's still a pile of wormdirt.

Oh wait...I'm on "ignore"....giggle giggle...I feel so GDP!

Why don’t you shut up? Do you really think anyone gives any importance whatsoever to your words after 8 years of your criminal and murderous regime and policies? Do you really believe you have any moral ground whatsoever and do you really imagine there is a single human being anywhere on this planet who does not stick up his middle finger every time you appear on a TV screen? Kinda makes ya’ll think, eh?

Do you really believe you have the right to give any opinion or advice after Abu Ghraib? After Guantanamo? After the massacre of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens? After the torture by CIA operatives? Kinda difficult, eh?

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/12-08-2008/106067-bushshutup-0

http://fora.tv/2008/07/10/Mahvish_Khan_Reads_a_Guantanamo_Detainee_s_Suicide_Note

Pravda is a rag...they publish stuff on the level of the rags you see at the supermarket checkout. It's pretty much a fact.

For those who are skeptical of Pravda, take a look at our own deceptive media.

So where do you want us to post from?

Any suggestions?

Don

The MSM in this country is propaganda to calm the masses and steer us towards voting and supporting idiots.

Pravda is a sensationalist pile of tripe that prints stuff that is OBVIOUSLY bogus to sell copies off of the newstands. Check the other articles...really...we're talking batboy kind of stuff here.

Why the hell do I have to point this out fifty times!

I thought this was DU. People here should know better.

Everyone agrees that Pravda is propaganda.

But after what we have witnessed from our media it boggles the mind that seemingly intelligent people would believe anything they report any more.

Don

Post cold war it used it's "reputation" and changed hands a few times. It's not propoganda anymore but sensationalism.

Check the articles...they do UFOs in Kamchatka kind of reporting.


Now our MSM...that's still propoganda.

UFOs don't get people killed. Front page stories about WMDs that don't exist do.

As I said our media is more insidious.

Don

Propaganda versus Sensationalism. They're two different kinds of crap. You cannot really compare them.

Once warps reality in attempt to control the populace. The other uses outlandish stories to sell copies.

Woe be to the fool who takes either seriously.

a separatist breakaway republic.

Canada can then invade Vermont?

It seems from that comment that you know very little about Georgia and the two breakaway provinces.

That makes it very difficult to have an intelligent and informed discussion or debate with you on this matter.

Did Lincoln "invade" South Carolina in 1861?

As you say, South Ossetia is a breakaway republic. It is still a part of Georgia. Look at the map. The central government has the right to try to hold the country together. If any party is an invader, it's Russia.

No part of the above should be taken as a judgment on whether the South Ossetians are justified in their desire to breakaway. However, it's not like Georgia just took a piece of Russia and Russia is fighting to take it back. South Ossetia was part of the Georgia after the entire nation liberated itself from the former Tsarist Empire at its collapse in 1917 and continued to be part of the Georgian SSR when it was reabsorbed into the Russian Empire's successor, the Soviet Union, in 1921.

Over the years, South Ossetia became ethnically Russian while it continued to be administered by Georgia. There are some legitimate concerns of the people of South Ossetia to discuss, and it may very well be that the best way to resolve the problem is for South Ossetia to unite with Russia. However, Russia has no right to force the issue with arms at this time.

Do I think South Ossetia should be independent? I guess. I mean, what the hell do I know?

What I do know is that it is not in the US's interests to have Russia interfering militarily in the internal matters of its neighbors. An interventionist Russia has never been good for anyone.

Why don’t you shut up? Suppose Russia for instance declares that Georgia has weapons of mass destruction? And that Russia knows where these WMD are, namely in Tblisi and Poti and north, south, east and west of there? And that it must be true because there is “magnificent foreign intelligence” such as satellite photos of milk powder factories and baby cereals producing chemical weapons and which are currently being “driven around the country in vehicles”? Suppose Russia declares for instance that “Saakashvili stiffed the world” and it is “time for regime change”?

Nice and simple, isn’t it, President Bush?

Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY

interesting guy. not necessarily credible.

:evilgrin:

they'd do anything, would stop at nothing. nothing. it's fucking sad.

embarrassingly biased, sloppy, and amateurish news organization, Pravda would top Fox News any day.

Front pages of pure bullshit.

Jesus people never learn.

Don

Both are shit...and you are just using shit.

And being attacked for pointing it out.

Its an editorial. It isn't a news story. It's presenting an opinion not reporting facts on a news story. So the reliability of Pravda isn't in question here. And Pravda's reliability isn't any worse than FOX or ABC or CNN.

I've pointed it out several times here.

Don't touch either.

Editorial or not. Still a sensationalistic rag meant to sell copies and nothing of substance.

Tell me about the editorial in Mother Jones...not the one in Pravda.

That fact almost got lost in the discussion here.

"President Bush,

Why don’t you shut up? Do you really think anyone gives any importance whatsoever to your words after 8 years of your criminal and murderous regime and policies? Do you really believe you have any moral ground whatsoever and do you really imagine there is a single human being anywhere on this planet who does not stick up his middle finger every time you appear on a TV screen? Kinda makes ya’ll think, eh?

Do you really believe you have the right to give any opinion or advice after Abu Ghraib? After Guantanamo? After the massacre of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens? After the torture by CIA operatives? Kinda difficult, eh?"

This is Putin showing the world what it would be like if everyone was allowed to act like Bush/Cheney.