Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The Russo-Georgian War and the Balance of Power

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:11 PM
Original message
The Russo-Georgian War and the Balance of Power
By Stratfor's founder and CEO, Dr. George Friedman

The Russian invasion of Georgia has not changed the balance of power in Eurasia. It simply announced that the balance of power had already shifted. The United States has been absorbed in its wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as potential conflict with Iran and a destabilizing situation in Pakistan. It has no strategic ground forces in reserve and is in no position to intervene on the Russian periphery. This, as we have argued, has opened a window of opportunity for the Russians to reassert their influence in the former Soviet sphere. Moscow did not have to concern itself with the potential response of the United States or Europe; hence, the invasion did not shift the balance of power. The balance of power had already shifted, and it was up to the Russians when to make this public. They did that Aug. 8.

---
The Mystery Behind the Georgian Invasion

In this simple chronicle, there is something quite mysterious: Why did the Georgians choose to invade South Ossetia on Thursday night? There had been a great deal of shelling by the South Ossetians of Georgian villages for the previous three nights, but while possibly more intense than usual, artillery exchanges were routine. The Georgians might not have fought well, but they committed fairly substantial forces that must have taken at the very least several days to deploy and supply. Georgia’s move was deliberate.

The United States is Georgia’s closest ally. It maintained about 130 military advisers in Georgia, along with civilian advisers, contractors involved in all aspects of the Georgian government and people doing business in Georgia. It is inconceivable that the Americans were unaware of Georgia’s mobilization and intentions. It is also inconceivable that the Americans were unaware that the Russians had deployed substantial forces on the South Ossetian frontier. U.S. technical intelligence, from satellite imagery and signals intelligence to unmanned aerial vehicles, could not miss the fact that thousands of Russian troops were moving to forward positions. The Russians clearly knew the Georgians were ready to move. How could the United States not be aware of the Russians? Indeed, given the posture of Russian troops, how could intelligence analysts have missed the possibility that the Russians had laid a trap, hoping for a Georgian invasion to justify its own counterattack?

It is very difficult to imagine that the Georgians launched their attack against U.S. wishes. The Georgians rely on the United States, and they were in no position to defy it. This leaves two possibilities. The first is a massive breakdown in intelligence, in which the United States either was unaware of the existence of Russian forces, or knew of the Russian forces but — along with the Georgians — miscalculated Russia’s intentions. The second is that the United States, along with other countries, has viewed Russia through the prism of the 1990s, when the Russian military was in shambles and the Russian government was paralyzed. The United States has not seen Russia make a decisive military move beyond its borders since the Afghan war of the 1970s-1980s. The Russians had systematically avoided such moves for years. The United States had assumed that the Russians would not risk the consequences of an invasion.

If this was the case, then it points to the central reality of this situation: The Russians had changed dramatically, along with the balance of power in the region. They welcomed the opportunity to drive home the new reality, which was that they could invade Georgia and the United States and Europe could not respond. As for risk, they did not view the invasion as risky. Militarily, there was no counter. Economically, Russia is an energy exporter doing quite well — indeed, the Europeans need Russian energy even more than the Russians need to sell it to them. Politically, as we shall see, the Americans needed the Russians more than the Russians needed the Americans. Moscow’s calculus was that this was the moment to strike. The Russians had been building up to it for months, as we have discussed, and they struck.

MORE...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0808/S00170.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:24 PM
Response to Original message
1. I don't buy that the U.S. didn't anticipate this - Condi there in July,
Senators from both sides warning about the temperature rising there.

Nope. A little skirmish to revive the fear factor? Georgian/Ossetian civilians just collateral damage?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Karl Rove was in the Crimea in June... War games in July
Wag the dog..... These guys don't care if civilians die to further their agenda.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nels25 Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:40 PM
Response to Original message
3. You know when I first heard about this dust up
I thought boy there is no way on the face of this green earth that we (the US) can be blamed for this.

And just as sure as the sun comes up in the morning, here we are as progressives blaming the United States.

Why do we never learn?

This plays into a public perception (fair or not) first stated by Jean Kirkpatrick that a significant chunk of the Democratic party will blame America first in any situation no matter what the facts are.
then with this as a stereo type is it any wonder we have such a hell of time convincing Joe and Jane six pack we as a party can be trusted to defend the nation.

No as a matter of fact some of us progressives come off as arrogant above the poor peasant know it alls that are aghast that the public (AKA: Sheepele) would listen to GOP lies and not understand the legitimacy of our approach.

The public at large understands that there are in fact bad people in the world who mean to harm to others.

This holds true at the local level (violent crime, etc).

And on the international level.

To the degree we are blinded by our hatred of Shrub and all thing GOP and thus blame the US for this war between Russia and Georgia, to that degree we look silly to the general populace.

And by doing so we help John McCain.

Think about it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. You look silly for your uninformed opinion
Think about it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon May 06th 2024, 05:46 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC