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Pale Blue Dot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 01:59 PM
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"a man fitting his description ran into a Baptist church and complained about losing his job"
This tidbit is in the LBN thread about the Arkansas assassination. I admit that it's way too early to speculate, but the shooter in the UU church killings also had complained about losing his job recently, and if it's true about the Arkansas shooter, it's time to face some facts.

I believe that blue-collar Republicans are starting to feel the effects of this horrible economy and against all reason and common sense they're blaming LIBERALS and DEMOCRATS.

I believe, as I have for awhile now, that it is long past time for Democrats to admit that the economy is in horrible, horrible shape. We are not making the case for Republican complicity in destroying our economy because we are not willing to admit that it HAS been destroyed. The man on the street knows it. We need to face the truth and get the message out about why and how this happened.

Cognitive dissonance is hard to overcome, but any attempt must start with facing reality and pointing out the facts.

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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:02 PM
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1. The UU shooter was an asshole...
that didn't want to face his RW voting consequences.

These people are so brainwashed, there is no convincing them it wasn't the fault of those "dirty libruls"!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:06 PM
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2. Arkansas police believe he shot
Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:06 PM
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3. The last time the deck was stacked this far in favor of the monied class was just before the Great
Depression, the time before was just before the French Revolution.
When are people going to realize that Money corrupts and kick the Parasitic Corporations and their money loving owners out of power?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 05:32 PM
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20. Bolivian Neckties for the bunch!!!
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:07 PM
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4. why arent more of the wackos taking out repiggies? they're the ones who fucked us up
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:09 PM
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6. rush limbaugh and hate speech radio n/t
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:45 PM
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12. Hate radio won't tell them that
because who do you think is paying for hate radio?

Hate radio tells them we're the problem. Since they don't ever hear any other viewpoint, they believe it.

It's going to be a tough few years.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:09 PM
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5. against all reason ... you mean because
of hate speech radio...rush et al
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:12 PM
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7. I wonder if he was laid off at the dealer because
of slumping sales on pickups and SUVs that caused him
not to meet his quota? Then he got into major debt and
started to lose everything? I don't know, I'm just speculating a scenario.
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:16 PM
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9. That's makes the most sense
regarding this incident than anything else that's been posted.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:54 PM
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14. That describes tons of people lately, yet how many chose to bust caps?
The blame for this shooting lies with the person who pulled the trigger.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:13 PM
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8. They've been told that the reason that things are bad
are liberals refusing to allow us to drill for oil and control our borders. That if we didn't have immigrants that everything would be great and if only those pesky enviromentalist would let us drill more we'd have 1.00 gas again. They also blame everything on high taxes (taxes have never been lower in this country).

The RW like the RW of 1930s Germany has its scapegoat and also has its ethnic minority to blame all its problems on too.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:28 PM
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10. That or they have mental illness
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 02:30 PM by theboss
One of the two.

Ya know.

Really, is there anything dumber than thinking that political persuasions play that much of a part of most people's lives?

Why do people commit violent crimes?

1. Greed
2. Relationship problems/anger issues
3. Mental illness
4. Drugs/alcohol
152. Republican/Democrat
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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:44 PM
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11. Dang. There you go spouting off with facts again
This may pop the bubble of those that have a great political conspiracy cooking.

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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:52 PM
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13. Without question the most intelligent post yet on this issue nt
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:58 PM
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16. And yet . . .
For the low spot you've assigned political considerations, it always seems that the assassins go after the peace-makers, the liberals and the progressives.

I guess it's just a massive coincidence, defying worse-than-lottery odds that the targets always seem to be the same.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 03:02 PM
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17. Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford would like to have a word with you
Just sayin'.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 05:11 PM
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18. Except Reagan and Ford weren't killed
Seems like the serious assassins have a certain political bent.

Just sayin'.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 05:29 PM
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19. Hinckley wasn't serious?
Edited on Wed Aug-13-08 05:30 PM by theboss
He nearly killed Reagan, he crippled Bradley, and he wounded two others.

Also, I forgot George Wallace.

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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 05:43 PM
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21. That's just plain stupid.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 05:48 PM
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22. Hinkley was just trying to impress Jodie Foster
and was legally proven insane
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:01 PM
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23. Which means what exactly?
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 07:05 PM
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24. um, that it wasn't politically motivated?
:shrug:
I thought that was pretty obvious
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:00 PM
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25. there will always be crazy, unstable people. it's about who whispers what in their ear...
like i've said before from my sales training, 10% will always say yes, 10% will always say no. these people are crazy. focus your sales skill on the rest of the 80%. but that's just sales.

now if wanted a covert army, what's the best way to garner shock troops? yes, that's right, i utilize the 20% already latent in the population on the edge of sanity. not truly traceable to me exactly, but useful enough for my ends.

i've said it before, but really, conquering humanity would be child's play -- well, if you are the least bit observant and intelligent. unfortunately i've forsworn such tactics in this life. but make no mistake that this is by design. why do you think i'm registered a republican? and what sort of conversations do you think i overhear?

really now, pulling thread on correlations is some of the easiest detective work there is. but so many love the comfort of denial and dismissal. life and critical thought isn't one big court of law. reading context involves more than by-the-book allowance of evidence. and yet we love our mental shelters, even if they be of mist and sand. humans are just far too easy, on every side of the aisle.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 02:57 PM
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15. These people have been spoonfed by Limbaugh et al. and the GOP
that the Democrats are to blame for all of their woes for years at the same time Republicans were stealing them blind. We need to explain in clear terms who has made the money off their backs. AND we desparately need to rid our own ranks of the corrupt. Period.
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AllieB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-08 08:05 PM
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26. There's a strong smell on this thread.
Seems to be a call to arms over at another website.
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