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meegbear

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Thu Aug-14-08 09:16 AM
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NRA to gun owners: Beware of Obama

The National Rifle Association said Wednesday that Barack Obama is trying to mislead voters about his past support of gun control, calling the Democratic candidate "a poster child of the extremist, elitist gun control movement."

The group was responding to recent remarks by Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat who supports gun rights and told reporters this week that Obama "ain't ever going to take your gun away." Schweitzer, who has the NRA's support in his re-election bid, added that there is little difference between the Democrat and Republican John McCain.

The NRA said Schweitzer was misrepresenting the candidates' positions.

"To somehow suggest (Obama) is supportive of gun owners because he says so when he is in Montana running for president is absurd," the NRA's Chris W. Cox said in a telephone interview from Virginia. "We are going to make sure that anybody that tells Montana gun owners that Barack Obama is not a threat to gun owners is exposed as someone who is not shooting straight."

Schweitzer said Wednesday he stands by his comments.

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http://rawstory.com/news/2008/NRA_to_gun_owners_Beware_of_0813.html

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ClassWarrior

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Thu Aug-14-08 09:19 AM
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1. Elitist? The puppets apparently got their masters' talking points.

NGU.

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Arctic Dave

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Thu Aug-14-08 09:21 AM
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2. NRA blah, blah, blah, blah.

The NRA again show itself to be nothing more then the fluffer of the repug party.

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BOSSHOG

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Thu Aug-14-08 09:23 AM
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3. There's a man with a gun over there telling me I got to beware.

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YOY

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Thu Aug-14-08 09:24 AM
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4. If Obama is a threat to gun owners my ass is purple

n/t

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Trajan

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Thu Aug-14-08 09:25 AM
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5. So can we expect those in the Gungeon to advocate against the NRA ?

Just wonderin ....

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gratuitous

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Thu Aug-14-08 10:28 AM
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17. That would be, uh, lemme check my watch

Never.

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slackmaster

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Thu Aug-14-08 01:34 PM
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29. I say without hesitation that the NRA has it wrong on this one

I trust Obama to take a broader view of gun issues as President than he did as a member of the Illinois state legislature.

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TornadoTN

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Thu Aug-14-08 01:36 PM
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30. I'm a 2nd Ammendment supporter and I believe the NRA is insane

Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 01:37 PM by TornadoTN

Let's not go painting with broad strokes. Most of the people in the NRA are insane stark mad raving lunatics, but there's plenty of us out here with a lot more sanity and good sense that don't fall for their tactics and clear insanity.

So to answer your question: yes, some of us will advocate against the NRA because their tactics and methods fly in the face of their supposed message.

**Edited to add: Oh, and I'm not a member and never will be**

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benEzra

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Thu Aug-14-08 04:41 PM
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37. I believe the NRA is making a big mistake.

Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 04:43 PM by benEzra

McCain was a freaking spokesperson for a gun-control lobbying group for a while, and is no friend of gun owners.

Yes, Obama did fall for the "assault weapon" bait-and-switch while in Illinois. But that does not mean he is going to stupidly repeat the DLC's let's-ban-popular-guns idiocy of the 1990's.

McCain is going to lose, and the NRA would have been far better off to try to get the word out to Dems that the gun issue is about the "assault weapon" bait-and-switch, handguns, and self-defense, not hunting and "sportsmen" instead of burning their bridges. IMHO, they are squandering that opportunity.

The NRA refused to endorse Bob Dole in 1996. I think they should have sat this one out as well, and focused on educating people about the issue.

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Blue_Tires

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Thu Aug-14-08 09:25 AM
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6. you KNOW some nutbar will interpret this as:

'It is YOUR partiotic duty to all Americans to take him out!'

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krispos42

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Thu Aug-14-08 09:25 AM
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7. Of couse Obama was anti-gun

He was representing urban Chicago for Christ's sake, and the electorate there is frothingly, fanatically anti-gun. If Obama is going to be an elected representative there, how much leeway will he have on the issue???

The question is "what will he do on a national level?", and I think the answer is "not much".

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wvbygod

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Thu Aug-14-08 09:40 AM
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8. Serious question about urban Chicago and law abiding citizens

What possible valid reason is given for denying a law abiding citizen in urban Chicago
the ownership of a defensive handgun? I would really like to hear the reasoning behind that one.

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ClassWarrior

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Thu Aug-14-08 09:41 AM
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10. Define "law-abiding citizen."

NGU.

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ClassWarrior

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Thu Aug-14-08 09:56 AM
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11. Hello?? I thought you were waiting to hear the reasoning...

NGU.

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wvbygod

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Thu Aug-14-08 10:17 AM
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13. The simple definition of a law-abiding citizen

The simple definition of a law-abiding citizen is someone who does obey the law.

Calling 911 is a joke. If you want to stay alive you will be prepared to defend your life yourself. Sorry if you don't "get it."

http://www.oppapers.com/essays/Gun-Control/105089
Gun Control Does Not Reduce Crime

Americans are faced with an ever-growing problem of violence. Our streets
have become a battleground where the elderly are beaten for their social
security checks, where terrified women are viciously attacked and raped,
where teen-age gangsters shoot it out for a patch of turf to sell their
illegal drugs, and where innocent children are caught daily in the
crossfire of drive-by shootings. We cannot ignore the damage that these
criminals are doing to our society, and we must take actions to stop these
horrors. However, the effort by some misguided individuals to eliminate the
legal ownership of firearms does not address the real problem at hand, and
simply disarms the innocent law-abiding citizens who are most in need of a
form of self-defense.

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ClassWarrior

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Thu Aug-14-08 10:25 AM
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15. A term paper?

:rofl:

NGU.

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wvbygod

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Thu Aug-14-08 10:34 AM
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21. Alas....a sense of humor breaks out of the blue

expression->term->factor->emit

QED.

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krispos42

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Thu Aug-14-08 10:04 AM
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12. Well, you see...

all the problems in Chicago are all hardware problems, not social or economic. If Chicago can just keep the hardware of crime under control, why, then everything will be utopian. And by keeping law-abiding citizens from owning guns, said guns cannot be lost, sold, stolen, or otherwise aquired by criminals. So it's starving the beast.

You see, it's perfectly okay for the people of Chicago to be poor, under-educated, from broken homes, unemployed, on a variety of illegal drugs, and have lots of gang activity and related corruption as long as they aren't committing crimes. With guns.

:sarcasm:

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spanone

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Thu Aug-14-08 09:41 AM
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9. fuck the nra

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bdamomma

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Thu Aug-14-08 10:21 AM
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14. they are using the same ole playbook over and over again

and again they are wrong. when has a democratic president ever taken away anyone's guns??? NEVER.

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aikoaiko

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Thu Aug-14-08 10:29 AM
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18. Banning future possession, manufacture, or sales is pretty much the same thing

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aikoaiko

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Thu Aug-14-08 10:26 AM
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16. Its simple - Obama just needs to say he is against any federal gun bans & even promise to veto bans

And then the NRA will have virtually nothing on him.

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wvbygod

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Thu Aug-14-08 10:48 AM
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22. Very good idea but....

He might lose a dozen or so votes from the "blame the gun" crowd.

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aikoaiko

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Thu Aug-14-08 01:32 PM
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28. I think they will still vote for O -- he needs the middle of the road voters.

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Aristus

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Thu Aug-14-08 10:30 AM
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19. Don't forget, the 2nd Amendment was put in place to give plantation owners

a way to guard against armed slave insurrections. That's just the way they want to keep it...

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aikoaiko

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Thu Aug-14-08 10:34 AM
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20. I welcome some documentation of this claim.

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benEzra

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Thu Aug-14-08 04:37 PM
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36. Nope. It was put into place because the British confiscated peoples' guns in the 1770's...

and the Founders wanted to ensure nothing like that would happen again. Just like the Third Amendment was a reaction against the British quartering of soldiers in private homes, and the Fourth Amendment was a reaction against the British practice of warrantless searches (so-called Writs of Assistance).

On the other side of the coin, most U.S. gun control in the 1800's and early to mid 1900's was enacted in order to keep guns out of the hands of recent immigrants and people with the wrong color skin.

The Conservative Roots of U.S. Gun Control

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Dems and the Gun Issue - Now What? (written in '04, largely vindicated in '06, IMO)

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shireen

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Thu Aug-14-08 10:54 AM
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23. gun owner to NRA: Fuck Off

keep talking this garbage and you'll lose more members. Gun ownership has nothing to do with party affiliation. It's a personal choice. It's really a shame to see this; they offer so many valuable services (like excellent classes), but turn off many potential gun owners with moderate and liberal leanings by spewing republican talking points.

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TornadoTN

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Thu Aug-14-08 01:43 PM
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31. It's getting pretty blatant around these parts

Here in my section of Tennessee, they have been on a real drive to force out instructors who aren't vocally or politically active to their standards. A good friend of mine that has taught many NRA courses was asked to step aside a couple months ago under the guise that they wanted to put new people in instructor positions at a local gun club. He suspects its because he advocates for responsible gun ownership and common-sense gun laws - the guy who took his place is some crazy lunatic who has his own "militia".

I don't even go to the shooting range anymore because its become a lynch mob mentality if you don't toe the right-wing line.

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derby378

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Thu Aug-14-08 11:38 AM
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24. There's still the 2008 DNCC Platform to consider...

If it retains language in support of gun bans, the NRA can use it as a club on Democrats in general.

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wvbygod

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Thu Aug-14-08 12:46 PM
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25. It is maddening

I have a feeling the repubs will be pro-choice long before our party (Democratic)
wakes up and either explains to law-abiding citizens why they can't be trusted to defend
themselves or wisely drops the bullshit pandering to shoe size IQ mental midgets that
bleat loudly when we that want to stay alive demand an end to harmful "gun control" laws.

excuse the sentence distructure...i'm holding my breath.

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marmar

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Thu Aug-14-08 12:48 PM
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26. I'm really f**king sick of the NRA......

:mad:

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bushisanidiot

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Thu Aug-14-08 12:55 PM
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27. Translation: "BOO!"

More scare tactics from the extreme right. "He'll take away your guns! He'll make your children gay! Christianity will cease to exist!!"

lunatics.

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mitchum

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Thu Aug-14-08 01:44 PM
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32. The NRA's only job is to fleece its members while serving as a republican PAC

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slackmaster

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Thu Aug-14-08 02:05 PM
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34. If you want to shut down the NRA, shut down their enablers in Congress

Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 02:07 PM by slackmaster

If there weren't actually dozens of Democratic members of the House of Representatives who are pushing for gun bans, the NRA wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

If you see any of your representatives here, call them and ask them to withdraw their sponsorship of HR 1022.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=183040&mesg_id=183047

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aikoaiko

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Thu Aug-14-08 02:27 PM
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35. Is there a thread on Obama's position on the RKBA and gun control.

Maybe this subthread could be a start. I encourage people to post quotes with links and little bit of context and I'll compile it and post it.

Let's construct an honest assessment of our candidates position so that we can defend him better from smears.

Here's my first contribution. Its the first two paragraphs from BARACK OBAMA: SUPPORTING THE RIGHTS AND TRADITIONS OF SPORTSMEN.. It also talks about EXPANDING ACCESS TO PLACES TO HUNT AND FISH, CONSERVING FISH AND WILDLIFE, and EDUCATING YOUNG HUNTERS AND ANGLERS.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/additional/Obama_FactSheet_Western_Sportsmen.pdf

BARACK OBAMA: SUPPORTING THE RIGHTS AND TRADITIONS OF SPORTSMEN

Barack Obama did not grow up hunting and fishing, but he recognizes the great conservation legacy of America’s hunters and anglers and has great respect for the passion that hunters and anglers have for their sport. Were it not for America’s hunters and anglers, including the great icons like Theodore Roosevelt and Aldo Leopold, our nation would not have the tradition of sound game management, a system of ethical, science-based game laws and an extensive public lands estate on which to pursue the sport. Obama recognizes that we must forge a broad coalition if we are to address the great conservation challenges we face. America’s hunters and anglers are a key constituency that must take an active role and have a powerful voice in this coalition.

PROTECTING GUN RIGHTS
Respect the Second Amendment: Millions of hunters and shooters own and use guns each year. Barack Obama believes the Second Amendment creates an individual right, and he respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms. He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns.

This is a nice statement and supports hunters and recreational shooters, but says nothing about self-defense or protecting communities. Hunting and target shooting is not the main reason for the 2nd Amendment. I have not yet seen a similar position on self-defense. Has anyone?

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Thu Aug-14-08 04:45 PM
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38. Translation.....

I don't want to talk about it.

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