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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:40 AM
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Met a little 7-year old home "schooled" boy over the weekend
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 08:41 AM by NNN0LHI
My 5-year old grandson and him walked up to me carrying a toy plastic stegosaurus in his hands.

The little home "schooled" boy immediately began explaining the "history" of dinosaurs to us.

You see after God had this problem with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden God made the meat eating dinosaurs because he was mad he explained to us. Said he had a book at home that explained all this so it is definitely true he said. The name of the book was the bible.

I was speechless. Now just where exactly does a kid learn this stuff?

Need a license to drive. Need a license to be a plumber. Even need a license to fish. But any idiot can go out and have a kid no license needed.

Don



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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:45 AM
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1. Having a kid isn't the problem
Being able to isolate the child from a real education out of fear that they might not share the same beliefs you have is.

The saddest thing is meeting the home schooled children when they hit adulthood. I had an aquantance that was home schooled in Indiana. She was of high intelligence from an IQ perspective but since she had spent her entire life taught by only one person her mother she had a great difficulty getting along with anyone who had a different opionion. It was very sad.
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:46 AM
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2. yikes
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:49 AM
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3. A seven-year-old in public school
is likely just as addle-pated, and less literate to boot. :shrug: Everybody's stupid nowadays.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 02:27 PM
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49. Sadly I woul dagree.
People tutoring high school kids from affluent areas find out that they don't know there are four quarters in a dollar. Or that a fifty cent piece is half a dollar.

Fractions?? forget it?

the parents hire math tutors to get their kids up to par on algebra. And the tutor can do it too - but the kids'
scores don't improve because they never learned the addition, subtraction, multiplication or division tables. So even once they understand how to do a type of algebraic equation, they still get the answers wrong 2x - 2y times 4x does not equal
12x - 9xy!!
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:54 PM
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52. This is exactly why we took our child out of public school.
His understanding of basic math was so weak, it shocked me. And he had gone to exemplary schools. It took one year for him to relearn elementary math. He's been doing college math since middle school. I don't teach him anything now, I just help him review. He has tutors, goes to classes and takes online courses. There are so many educational resources available, the idea of sitting around reading a bible all day every day is crazy. I've never met a homeschooling parent who doesn't want their child to get the best education possible.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:58 PM
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60. I didn't make it clear - the kids in my comment all were in normal schools
So yeah, home schooling can be a saving grace if the parents are able to provide the needed education and keep up the discipline needed to do that.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:55 PM
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53. you base this on what, again?
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:50 AM
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4. It's important that people don't know
what's going on in the world. That way it's easier to manipulate them. How would you know that somebody absconded with your retirement fund if you didn't know you had it in the first place?

Teach people they are protected by a Constitution and next thing you know, they'll figure out their rights have been violated. Who needs that kind of aggravation?

Since people have to think about something, you might as well teach them wrong things to think about.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:02 AM
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29. Amen, brother!
Elites have engineered over the decades institutions whose sole purpose is to distract the masses, render them spectators on the sidelines, while the really important people arrange things that socialize their losses and privitize their gains. Neat system if you happen to be born into the right and rare family; horrible for the rest of us.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:51 AM
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5. Just tell that boy two words: "Prove it."
Watch him squirm until his momma comes to jerk him away from you.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:54 AM
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7. ask him to find the word "dinosaur" in the bible.....
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:11 AM
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14. Far too many Christians have never really read or studied the Bible,
as they claim it to be the "Word of God". Many approach the Bible cafeteria style, picking out the parts they like or that support their views and ignoring others. It is possible to make the Bible say and mean many things it does not if taken in context. One may accurately claim that the Bible says there is no God, because it does. Psalm 14:1, reads, "The fool hath said in his heart, 'There is no God.'"

It's too bad that more Christians do not live their spiritual lives by the words of Jesus in Matthew 25:35-40:


35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'



Jesus definitely was a Liberal and that is why the conservative religious leaders of his day hated him.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 10:23 AM
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22. co-sign
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 10:59 AM
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26. Yep - That is the Jesus of my youth.
These others? The ones that would tell you the rich are the blessed??

They are satan.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:08 AM
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32. Here is a good description that applies to many who call themselves "Christians":
Matthew 7:21-23
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'


Many who call themselves "Christians" could be in for a rude awakening. At the very least, their hypocrisy knows no bounds. I am quite certain that God would be ashamed of them. They would never recognize Jesus if he walked the Earth now, but would condemn him as some homeless person spouting Liberal nonsense and they would tell him, "get a job" or would want to deport him as an illegal ("go back where you came from").
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:18 AM
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35. Read about "wolves in sheep's clothing" and try not to think about Modern Mega Churches
I'm always amazed that those about whom Jesus spoke most harshly are the very ones who most believe they're Jesus' best buddy.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:08 AM
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34. That's one of my favorite passages in the bible :)
And on your remark about "Christians" who have not studied (nor even read) the bible, so true. Many are of the kind that haven't read a book since high school (if they made it that far) and are like children spreading silly stories on the playground. Innocents, all, but unfortunately the not-so-innocent have learned to manipulate these masses for their vicious anti-Christian political advantage.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:11 PM
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44. My fundie friend says dinosaurs = "behemoth"
:eyes:

yeah in the Bible there's some casual mention of some green animal (lizard?) called "behemoth" and that's the dinosaur, see? They didn't make it on to Noah's Arc! And oh btw...the Grand Canyon is from the GREAT FLOOD! She homeschools too. Her kids' only science teacher - tragic.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:53 AM
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6. The dumbing down of America. :( - gotta add.
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 08:54 AM by nc4bo
That's why the Repugs are pushing this assine charter school/home school bs.

Ignorance is the name of the game.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:55 AM
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8. nice paraphrase, Keanu...
yeah...cause one idiot kid cannot (at 7 years old, no less) cannot share with you accurately the origin of the species you trash homeschooling and religion in general...nice attack...excellently formed...guess we better throw out all those kids' books that show animals talking...and we are watching Thomas the Tank Engine right now and I guess that has to go too! Good thing Carlin is dead cause he would have no more voice-over work for Thomas!

sP
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:13 AM
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15. Nice paraphrase, PJM
The "origin of the species" the 7-year-old shared with the OP is the EXACT "origin of the species" they teach at Hovind's Creation Museum, and it's the same "origin of the species" they teach in Chick Tracts.

If you've got a 7-year-old who quotes Jack Chick dinosaur tracts as historical fact, you've got a problem.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:19 AM
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18. i picked the words on purpose...thanks for noticing
and i have a five year old that is quickly noticing the similarities in various animal groups and is posing some pretty tough questions...and she will be exposed to possible answers from a variety of theories/histories/myths...and be shown that evolution is the only one with scientific evidence (as best that can be explained to a five year old).

the problem is that a religious explanation ALWAYS pales in comparison to scientific ones...but sometimes kids aren't ready for the scientific ones...

sP
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:30 AM
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20. My kids were always ready for the
scientific answers. The answers were put into words they could understand, but not dumbed down. If you use larger words properly, put them in context and define them, they become used to them and understand what the meanings are. I had 4 children and all of them were taught the scientific explanations of things in my home and they went to public school..learning didn't end at the school door. If they had a question that I had no answer for, the encyclopedia came out and we looked it up together. If they needed to know the definition of a word, they were told to look it up or if I didn't know either, it was a joint effort to find the definition.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 10:39 AM
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24. ditto in my home my daughter was always praised for her vocabulary, and was even called a liar once
by a teacher in elementary school when asked about her summer reading list she said "A Tale of Two Cities" and "Moby Dick" among others. She had children's versions which apparently she had never heard of.
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:18 AM
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17. I don't see it as an attack on religion
I see it as an attack on someone who uses the bible as a textbook or to explain away things that they cannot understand or do not want to know.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:21 AM
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19. based on history of these sorts of posts
i would disagree with you...but i agree with you that the bible is anything BUT a text book for how the world came to be in anything more than a philosophical/religious context (which does NOT attempt to explain the science of it).

sP
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:00 AM
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9. In defense of home-schoolers, not all of them are nuts
My SIL home-schools because they were so dissatisfied with the quality of the public schools (their eldest developed behavior problems) and the local Catholic school (no specific slam against Catholic education) wasn't much better. So rather then try private school again, she's been home-schooling. (My bro makes great money). The kids are smart, are reading machines and she is definitely not a fundie. Though she has expressed dismay as to how many local home-schoolers ARE fundies.

I knew a couple who home-schooled all three of their children. First two worked out great: the boy is on the west coast, has a Ph.D. in engineering. The girl graduated at 16, got a great job in Chicago. The third girl, not so much. She has become too dependent on her parents, is afraid to leave home.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:01 AM
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11. While true, we have good evidence that this kid's parents are nuts.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:07 AM
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13. Obviously. But it's always good not to paint others with the same broad brush
It is frightening sometimes, the people who choose to reproduce.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:18 AM
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16. I have a niece who was home schooled for several years.
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 09:18 AM by TexasObserver
She was home schooled because she was dyslexic in a school district that didn't know how to deal with that 15 year ago. My sister home schooled her for several years and taught her how to work with her condition. She was back into school by middle school, and did well from then on. If she had stayed in the school system when a young grade schooler, she would have been shuttled off to their then existing "developmentally challenged" kids, and forever labeled as such in the public schools. My sister felt that she could teach my niece better, and proved it.

There was zero religious component to the decision. My sister is agnostic.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:07 AM
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12. I'm sure you're right...I feel ashamed to admit this but
I watched one of those CNN (MSM) specials where they interviewed a pro homeschool family and they made sure to highlight that one of the main reasons they are hs'ing is so they can teach creationalism rather than darwinism (example).

Teaching kids creationalism is not bad but when you purposely neglect to educate them on other scientific points of view (like evolution theories) - it's the kids that are put to a disadvantage when mommy and daddy send them into the world.


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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:01 AM
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10. When the blind lead the blind, they both fall into the ditch.
Someone famous said that, but like most things he said, fundies ignore his actual teachings in favor of their own ignorant, baseless beliefs.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:31 AM
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21. Here's something to improve your vision.
www.infidels.org

An absolute treasure of knowledge and debate.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:05 AM
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30. My vision is fine, and my prior post accurate.
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 11:22 AM by TexasObserver
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:18 PM
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55. (Matthew 15; 14) .
(Only becasue it was in today's lectionary)
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RayOfHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 10:24 AM
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23. LOL, I think that 7 yo was my nephew. Even though my bro is a pub. school principal
He and his fundie wife pulled him out to homeschool in 1st grade. He's now going into 4th grade.

When he was little, he loved dinosaurs and the discovery channel. Now he isn't allowed to play with dinosaurs and he told my mom the other day he wasn't allowed to watch the discovery channel anymore because it teaches about evolution.

My brother didn't used to be like this. My sister in law sure did a number on them. I have to think he was brainwashed, because the thought he willing chose to buy into these extreme beliefs is just too hearbreaking :-(
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:00 PM
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41. Sad.....
Let us allow our children to be ignorant at their own peril.

I bet they won't teach him how St. Paul said money was the root of evil......
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patriotvoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:13 PM
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51. Money itself is not the root; the love of money is the root.
http://bible.cc/1_timothy/6-10.htm

In my opinion, 1 Timothy 6:10 and Matthew 25:35-40 should be required reading, every Sunday, for every Christian: they cut directly to the meaning of "Christian".
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 10:55 AM
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25. I don't know what the percentages are, but...
...one of my closest friends - a sincere genuine liberal - homeschools her children, and I guarantee you that they'll end up with a well-rounded fact-based education.

On the other hand, I have met 2 homeschoolers who spouted very disturbing opinions about life and race and God and it gave me the shakes.

I would like to see a comparison of how many homeschooling parents teach creationism vs. those who give their children fact/science-based educations.

And it goes without saying that even children in public school can have everything they managed to learn during the day undone in an evening's time with their parents.
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tannybogus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 10:59 AM
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27. You can find lots of creationism homeschool material on the web.
There is even a Bob Jones curriculum, and that should give you the heebie jeebies.

I believe there are some people who can effectively homeschool their children. However,

I have met some that I doubt could homeschool the ABC's. I have serious doubts about a lot

of people handling physics and calculus. A friend of mine knows a school district where a

homeschooler was elected to the Board of Education. They are still working that one out.:yoiks:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:00 AM
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28. A dinosaur ate my homework.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:07 AM
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31. good one! :-)
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:40 AM
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36. I graded biology papers for a correspondence high school
This was something taken by children who are getting high school credit through correspondence for a lot of different reasons. Some are fundamentalist Christians, some live in rural areas and the schools are too far and they are needed to work on the farm, and some live in the inner city where its too dangerous to go to school.

Tne correspondence school offered two biology options in their curriculum: evolution or ecology- the born agains could avoid that offensive evolution/creation question, but they got a non politicized ecology lesson. Both of them were good, so I though it was handled well.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:45 AM
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37. I met a 16 year home schooled young woman this weekend. She
is the daughter of a friend of mine who I have not seen in years. She came to help with tabling yesterday and I got a chance to talk to her. She is very accomplished and well rounded. She is a dancer, well read, self possessed and politically active. I think it's the parents, not the home schooling.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:51 AM
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38. My point is there is no regulation here. Or not enough?
If I were homeschooling my child and he asked me something I didn't know I would do my best to research the right answer.

Some other parents are going to say "Thats just the way God wants it." and leave it at that.

That no good.

Don
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:56 AM
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40. Agreed. When idiots homeschool, homeschoolers are idots.
When rational, intelligent, progressive people home school, well...you get the picture.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 02:34 PM
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50. Exactly
Once upon a time, I home schooled a 7-year-old boy, too. My reason for doing so weren't religious--he was hyperactive and the school wanted to drug him and put him into special ed. It was eye-opening how little time it took to keep a child up to grade level. By the time he reentered school in third grade he was ready for calculus.

He eventually graduated from college with honors.



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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:20 PM
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56. That's often true
for the results of public schooling, as well.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:53 AM
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39. At least he thinks dinosaurs existed
Most religious wingnuts tell me the fossils were "planted".
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:14 PM
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42. Yeah, I think it was in Apatasaurus 4:14
where the bible addressed dinos.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:40 PM
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46. Correction: First Corinthisaurus Rex
And the LORD thy God madest cool dinosaurices, for that thine generations of school-age babes might relish upon thine myriad spectacles of mid-twentieth century claymation brontasauri and tyrannisauri. For the LORD God exhalts in the pleasures of little children.
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:08 PM
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43. It's pathetic
But, PLEASE, PLEASE refrain from trashing all homeschoolers. I have home schooled for 12 years and my kids are intelligent, free thinking people.

And, also free of No Child Left A Dime shackles, too.

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:26 PM
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45. the world is full of ignorant fundies. many went to public school. or at least
"christian" factory schools.
there are lots of very let wing homeschoolers whose kids know how to educate themselves, who go on to be scholars and adventurers.
and many folks right here at du cannot tell the difference between a correlation and a cause, let alone the difference between anecdote and data.

get over it. you homeschool bashers really don't know what you are talking about.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:41 PM
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47. Uh, no dinosaurs in the Bible
If they're going to teach out of the Bible, they should teach what's actually in it.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:43 PM
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48. LOL... homeschooling.... lol
The whole idea of it....


<doubles over>


Nevermind, too funny....
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:16 PM
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54. Yes, it's hilarious.
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 05:16 PM by girl gone mad
My homeschooled son is the only 13 year old in his multivariable calculus class at college. He has a great e-mail correspondence going with a professor at Berkeley since he took her course online. He's fluent in Chinese and he builds robots that could compete with those of top engineering high school seniors.

It's very funny what a child's mind is capable of when given the freedom to pursue their own passions. Newton, Edison and Einstein are testaments to that. Home learners, all.
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:22 PM
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57. Shhhhhh, don't let facts get in the way of popular beliefs.
I home school also, my daughter is 5 and is fluent in English and Japanese. She can also read Katakana, Hiragana and quite a bit of Kanji. My wife refuses to put our children in public school because she thinks the American education system is a joke.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:26 PM
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58. Wow. That is amazing.
How long did you homeschool?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:55 AM
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63. We started in 5th grade.
It's definitely not for everyone. It takes a big commitment, but it has paid off for us. I think a lot of people aren't aware of all of the great resources that are available for kids. It's a completely different world than it was even 10 years ago.
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:29 PM
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64. Hey, I dropped out at 16...
And proceeded to teach myself graduate-level philosophy (among several other advanced subjects) as an adult on my own time and motivation. So I might not be laughing for the reasons you think I am.

I'm laughing primarily because for every shining example like your kid (congratulations, btw), there are 5 fundie kids being homeschooled for the sole purpose of ideological indoctrination. Exceptions only serve to prove the rule. Regardless of how many stories like yours one might cite, I am not about to believe that in the majority of cases, homeschooling is anything but a way for a primarily religious population to install the sort of values in children that would not survive a public school experience.

Hell, I'd probably homeschool myself if I had a kid. Wouldn't change the fact that in all too many cases, it's a joke.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 07:00 AM
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66. Einstein went to a Catholic elementary school, then a Gymnasium as a teen
Newton attended village schools and later attended The King's School, Gratham and Cambridge.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:01 PM
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59. Oh, I thought God put the dinosaur bones in the Earth in order to test man's faith?
Or did they change their propaganda already?
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:08 PM
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61. Sad part is that there will be a job waiting at Dept. of Justice for
this kid in 18 years.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 09:34 PM
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62. I homeschool my son because he needed more one on one attention due to
learning disabilities. The program I use has nothing to do with religion...

The Farm School provides alternative education for students taught by qualified members. Our kids are taught to be socially conscious, creative, and critical thinkers. Most importantly, they put what they learn into practice and have a good time doing it.


Located in Summertown, Tennessee (about an hour and a half South-Southwest of Nashville), The Farm School has been serving The Farm Community and selected students from outside the community since 1971. Established as a one-room school, we are now housed in a beautiful passive solar building serving grades K - 12.
Vision
The Farm School is an educational resource center and hub of activity making the knowledge and physical resources of The Farm available to an international community of lifelong learners.


Mission
The Farm School seeks to support diverse individuals actualizing our unique potentials as we work and play toward personal, community and planetary wellbeing.

Educational Philosophy
The philosophy of The Farm School begins with the belief that all kids have a natural desire to learn and grow, and that all aspects of life are considered a part of a person’s education. The students are allowed to pursue their areas of interest, in a relaxed setting of encouragement and with a variety of resources. We use cooperation, not competition as a model. Intimidation and authoritarian means of implementing school programs are not part of the agenda so students have the freedom to be who they are without interference or judgment. We believe knowledge of one’s self, honesty and tolerance are as important a part of a child’s education as academics.

http://sites.google.com/a/thefarmschool.tv/fs/Home


The reason I chose this one is because I *didn't* have to sign a "statement of faith" as required by christian homeschool programs, though the program is administered under the Church Related Schools (CRS)...

Peace,

Ghost


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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 04:42 AM
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65. Dinosaurs = Jesus horses.
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