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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:23 PM
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I live in a 2 bedroom townhouse and my latest utility bill (water, electric, garbage)
is over 450.00. Now, I am lucky, in that I am moving out and can delay paying this plus use deposit to help do so. My new place should be considerably more efficient. But what are people doing. My utility bill is more than my rent for pete's sake. That is obscene.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:24 PM
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1. Your rent is under $450?!
Wow...We pay more than 3x that. But, we don't pay utilities either.

:)
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:25 PM
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2. well admittedly the rent is cheap
my rent is going up by a ton but my utilities should go down plus no more huge commute.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:59 AM
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32. My rent hasn't been that low since 1975!
But, my utility bill is under $80 year round. :crazy:
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:59 PM
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15. Yeah, that was my first thought, too - wow!
But yes, that's high for utilities, I think.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:17 PM
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30. Try this. I just killed myself today doing part of it:
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 11:21 PM by roguevalley
1. put all your electricals on strips and turn them off when they aren't being used by hitting the off button. They eat electricity.

2. Calculate how much garbage you make and see if your company has options. I went from once a week pick up to twice a month. I can't make that kind of trash and it cut my bill in half.

3. Turn down your water heater. Eats electricity.

4. Do washing on fewer days, both dishes and clothes if you can. I went from nearly everyday to twice a week. (Deaths in the family cut the people down around here by 2/3. I don't recommend that you follow that path but it put me into another mode of thinking.)

5. Get that completely clear visquine plastic and wood staves. Put them over the outside of your windows to seal out cold and create a barrier between the outside and the window. HUGE savings. You can really turn down the thermostat. The staves will hold the plastic taut and you can easily remove them in the summer. They are also reusable if you do it carefully. :) You cannot believe how clear this stuff is.

6. Get a timer for your thermostat. Set it to go down at night when you sleep or when you are out unless you have lots of plants and pets.

There is more but these are the ones I have time to write down now. Good luck, hon.

EDIT: I bought a little hot plate to cook on so that I don't have to always use my stove which is natural gas. I am also going to buy a nuwave oven (nuwaveoven.com) that I saw on the teevee that is supposed to use 85% less energy and cook even frozen food to perfection in half the time. I find using this sort of thing less expensive than always using my gas oven and range because of my savings in electricity as oppose to the natural gas.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:26 PM
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3. What part of the country do you live in?
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 05:27 PM by rox63
I live in a 2-bedroom condo, and my utilities aren't nearly that bad. But mine isn't a townhouse, and the water and garbage are covered by the condo fee. Still, my utilities (gas and electric, located in eastern MA) are rarely more than $200 a month, even in the winter.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:27 PM
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4. small town utility
plus inefficent apartment.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:32 PM
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7. My place is very well insulated, and has thermal windows
It was insulated so well partly because of highway noise (it's near an interstate), so that helps a lot. Also, it's an upstairs unit, and all my windows face south. So the place doesn't get that cold in the winter. In fact, the electric bill for A/C in the summer is higher than the heat bills, even with New England winters.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:36 PM
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12. I hope that holds up for you
All of our utilities have been raising rates.
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 02:40 AM
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33. You must live in California or Texas, eh?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:44 AM
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36. north carolina
they approved rate increases in june and july to take effect in aug
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Truth4Justice Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:25 AM
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37. Thats outrageous energy prices, worse then in California when I left, as far as I can tell.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:27 PM
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5. Mine has never been that high
I pay $25 for water/trash/sewage. It's summer so my electricity will get up to $140 and my gas will remain around $20-$30. July and August are my most expensive utility payments for the whole year.

I live in a 2 bedroom house.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:28 PM
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6. I live downtown in a large city, and my utility bills are substantially less than 1/2 that....
And to find rent like that, I'd have to go to a hick town like Pittsburgh or something.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:32 PM
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8. I know my rent is cheap
and my new place is over 700, plus I also know how inefficient this place is but this is a true stunner.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:34 PM
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10. Look at it this way-you saved on rent but spend on utilities.
I don't think there are many places where you can find rent like this for a town house. Unless it's in a horrible condition?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:39 PM
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14. older but decent
I know my rent is way low which is why I stayed despite a monster commute. Again, I know I will be OK but I feel for the rest of the people on this utility.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:34 PM
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11. You'd pay more than twice that for rent around here
The northeast is s-o-o-o-o expensive for housing.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:33 PM
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9. Mine dropped $80 last month after switching electric companies.
It is still too high though for a one-bedroom apartment.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 05:38 PM
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13. I just signed up for the green energy option from my electric company
All my power comes from wind and low-impact hydro. My bill went up a little (extra .02 per kwh), but I feel better about using the A/C during the summer.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:23 PM
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20. you have a choice in electric companies?
not us.

unless you consider investing over 35K into a solar system as a choice.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 07:45 AM
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40. Texas deregulated electricity a few years ago so we can now choose providers.
Just prior to my recent switch, my rates had gone up 70% in two months (13 cents a KWH to 22 cents a KWH). The major downside to deregulation has been the fact that rates now increase whenever the electric companies want, instead of making them go the PUC and asking for a rate increase. The upside is that now I can switch whenever I want when it becomes too high. But like airline tickets, they all tend to raise their rates at the same time. Overall I say deregulation was a bad idea.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:09 PM
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16. We live in a 2,500 sq ft house...
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 06:13 PM by TwoSparkles
...and our utility bills have been amazingly low this summer. Usually our electric bill (gas, electric)
is about $200-$250 in the summer. Our bill has been anywhere from $100-$150.

What part of the country are you in? Man, that is obscenely high! Especially for a condo. Do you know why
it is so high? Is it really inefficient?

I'm sorry about that bill!

The scary thing...is that our heating bills are supposed to DOUBLE from last winter. DOUBLE!! I seriously
have no idea how people are going to live. That's not being dramatic. What is going to happen to people?
Last year, home-heating bills were outrageous--and higher than the year before. Now, we're supposed to get
double the bill from last year's killer bills????

The only thing I have going for me is that I set our thermostat at 62--in the winter. I'm an air conditioning snob, and love
it chilly in here (but I've gotten better recently), but I can get creative in the winter. You can always throw
on a sweater, wrap up in a blanket, etc.

Best of luck to you. Sorry about that dang bill! That hurts.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:14 PM
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17. I like it cool as well and my air unit is old so I kind of knew this might happen
but it is a shock. At least I can afford it, sort of.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:16 PM
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18. Questions for ya...
Does your bill break out the cost for electricity, water and garbage?

Is one of those abnormally high?

I'm wondering if you don't have a leaky faucet or toilet or something. Someone who worked for
the water company told me that one leaky faucet can cost people hundreds of dollars a month.

Just a thought.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:20 PM
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19. electricity is the problem
I don't have the bill yet (I can see my total online before the bill comes) but I don't think water is the problem this time. I did have the water thing and yes, it can be expensive. I had a leaky toilet and it made my bill go way up.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:37 PM
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21. omigawd,
where is that? i'm in NC and my utilities are about 1/4 of that.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:43 PM
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22. I am in NC too
our utility has really high rates coupled with 70's era apartment.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:00 PM
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25. It's Too Late Now You're Moving Out
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 08:01 PM by Crisco
But your HVAC unit - if that's what you have - needs to be replaced. When mine died and was replaced, it cut my August bill to 1/2 of what July's was.

And of course, if you can, try to tolerate 78-80 as your daytime indoor temp for summer.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:04 PM
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26. high utility bills is one reason I am moving
gasoline also is a factor. I live around 40 miles from work currently and the new place is about 5. That will convert about 200 a month in gas to less than 50. Add in the utility savings and I should come out even despite higher rent.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:05 PM
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27. That'll Be Nice
Good luck.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:07 PM
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29. thanks
the time savings will be nice too.
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carlyhippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:47 PM
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23. holy cow`
my water, garbage and elect last month was 260.00..and I water my yard and garden more than Lance Armstrong does and we have the ac on all day
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 07:56 PM
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24. I'm from MA and this past month, the water bill and the electric
bill took a huge jump. We do not have an air conditioned house, and since my husband died, there is far less water used, and far less electricity. We have a small municipal light department. They sent letters with the last bill telling us that the cost of the electricity they buy from an upstate NY supplier just went way up. My water bill, now for one person is also way up. The only gas I have is the water heater and that has remained about thee same dollar figure, I ought to compare usage which I never thought to do until now, that should tell me if the rate has gone up too.

I am scared to death of the winter oil bills and wish I knew some magic way to close of the second floor, I'd have to sleep on the couch but at over $4.00 a gallon, I will do so if necessary. I have no way to really cut the usage of oil and we have been closing the doors to the second floor for years. I think I'm going to have a little trouble keeping myself warm this year. Always kept the thermostat at 64, how low can I go?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 08:06 PM
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28. I worry about my family up north this winter
This bill is outrageous but should be my last bad one. I could easily see my dad having three or four bills of several hundred each this winter.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:54 AM
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31. It's not even winter, yet shut-offs reaching 50% or more in some hard-hit areas
It is scary! I don't know how this winter will fare for us. Last winter was a hard winter. I think we'll be bundling up more than ever to keep warm, and the thermostat down.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-energy7-2008aug07,0,6376775.story
By Richard Simon, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 7, 2008
WASHINGTON -- Utility shut-offs for customers behind on their energy bills are increasing around the country, reaching 50% or more in some hard-hit areas, as the effects of rising prices and a sagging economy are beginning to drag down more vulnerable consumers.

- snip -

In Michigan, which had the nation's highest unemployment rate in June -- 8.5% -- Detroit-based DTE Energy reported a 56% increase in utility shut-offs for nonpayment of bills for the first five months of this year compared with the same period a year ago.

Southern California Edison Co. reported that service was shut off to about 165,000 of its 4.8 million customer accounts from January through May this year, a 14% increase from the same period in 2007.

In Orange County, "people are coming to our office in record numbers with very high utility bills," said Kathy Kifaya, director of energy and environmental services for the Community Action Partnership of Orange County, which provides financial aid for energy costs to low-income families.

In Illinois, Peoples Gas and North Shore Gas, which serve Chicago and its northern suburbs, reported a 33% increase in disconnections through July of this year, compared with the same period last year. Across the Mississippi River in Iowa, a record number of residential accounts were past due in June, said Jerry McKim, chief of the state's energy assistance program, and more would have been shut off if not for floods that prevented utility workers from reaching homes.

"It's pretty pathetic when the only thing saving someone from disconnection is being flooded out," he said.

California's largest utility, Pacific Gas & Electric Co., reported that service had been shut off to 163,700 customers for nonpayment through July of this year, up 6.1% from the same period a year ago. Southern California Gas Co. said that notices of late payments were up 17% from January through May compared with the same period last year, and disconnections were up 10%.

- more at link -
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:43 AM
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35. actually that isn't surprising
since in winter people can't be turned off in many locales.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 07:15 AM
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39. YOu just have to make sure its warm enough that the pipes don't freeze.
I suggest you also put plastic over the windows and if possible, put up heavy drapes.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:54 AM
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34. we live in a 4 bed, 2.5 bath, two story house
and our total for electric, gas, water and garbage was less than $300...and we live in ATL. Heck, it was closer to $250...

sP
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 07:00 AM
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38. We paid more than that a month last winter for heating oil
When it was $1.00 cheaper a gallon. We NEVER had our heat above 50-55 degrees.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 07:48 AM
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41. You rent a 2 bedroom townhouse for under 450 a month????????
Holy crap.
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