Are there NeoCon Dr. Strangeloves who believe we can win a Nuclear War?

Question 2: Are these the dominant voices in the Bush-Cheney government?

IF they're crazy enough to want to do such a thing, they'll need one hell of a pretext. And, watching the current anti-Russian propaganda push, I'm wondering if an even bigger event, say with Ukraine or Poland, isn't in the works.

Not proclaiming their love for baby Jesus.

Don

He ain't scared of no bomb!

Gee, I wonder what percent he was talking about! :eyes:

Eeeevil...

:scared:

I firmly believe there are crazy-assed neocons in the Bush-Cheney government (and, if I put my tinfoil hat on, behind the government as a whole) who salivate over the idea of using the planet in a giant game of Risk. Or, more accurately, King of the Mountain. And they don't give a rat's ass about the general population or what sort of hardship an actual nuclear war would cause, because they've got their bunkers and their 20-year stockpile of champagne and caviar, so fuck the rabble. In fact, there is the belief that the PTB are very interested in population reduction (again, of the rabble), in order to bring about their stupid New World Order, like a modern feudal system. Whoopee.

And, like everything else, they are wrong on this, too. The 25-50% reduction in population during the plague years ENDED feudalism, overthrew the old aristocracy and the church, gave rise to the power of the guilds (unions), and sparked the enlightenment.

The LAST think the PTB would want.

Not that these idiots would think something like that through. It seems that they're all about instant gratification. And, like children, they believe that a certain outcome will occur just because they say it will. ("Greeted as liberators" anyone?) :eyes:

Russia is the World's Number 2 Military Power. That power is only only to get larger as they take in oil and gas revenues and we slowly bleed ourselves dry in Iraq as well as suffer a credit collapse.

General "Buck" Turgidson: Mr. President, we are rapidly approaching a moment of truth both for ourselves as human beings and for the life of our nation. Now, truth is not always a pleasant thing. But it is necessary now to make a choice, to choose between two admittedly regrettable, but nevertheless *distinguishable*, postwar environments: one where you got twenty million people killed, and the other where you got a hundred and fifty million people killed.

President Merkin Muffley: You’re talking about mass murder, General, not war!

General "Buck" Turgidson: Mr. President, I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.

Lots more in high positions in the military, especially the Air Force.

Not only do they think the US can win a nuclear war against Russia, they are chomping at the bit to get a chance to prove it.

August 1914 all over again...Now with Nukes...

During the Cold War, The US (#1) remained ascendant and the USSR (#2) went from ascending to declining.

The omens are bad.

Read Robert Scheer's book With Enough Shovels to really get a sense of their thinking.

One of those who held these ideas was Richard Pipes, father of the Islamophobic pseudo-intellectual Daniel Pipes. The elder Pipes argued that an advantage in the quantity of nuclear weapons translated into a qualitative advantage. This kind of Hegelian argument doesn't hold water when one of the ways of measuring the quantity is the number of times over the stockpile is capable of destroying life on earth. So what if the Soviets had a 5:3 advantage? The job only needed to be done once. It reminded me of a remark by Churchill about an idea "so ridiculous that only an intellectual could have thought of it."

When asked how do you win in a nuclear exchange? Vice-President Bush said:

"You have a survivability of command and control, survivability of industrial potential, protection of a percentage of your citizens, and you have the capability that inflicts more damage on the opposition than it can inflict upon you. That's the way you can have a winner...."
____Interview with Robert Scheer, 1980

I think that quote is also contained in With Enough Shovels.

That one sounds like General Turdgeson (George C. Scott) advocating taking out the Soviet Union in Dr. Strangelove. "We lose 20 to 25 million, tops!"

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Every agreement that President Reagan made with Mikhail Gorbachev has been broken by Reagan’s successors. Reagan’s was the last American government whose foreign policy was not made by the Israeli-allied neoconservatives. During the Reagan years, the neocons made several runs at it, but each ended in disaster for Reagan, and he eventually drove them from his government.

Even the anti-Soviet Committee on the Present Danger regarded the neocons as dangerous lunatics. I remember the meeting when a member tried to bring he neocons into the committee, and old line American establishment representatives, such as former Treasury Secretary Douglas Dillon, hit the roof.

The Committee on the Present Danger regarded the neocons as crazy people who would get America into a nuclear war with the Soviet Union. The neocons hated President Reagan, because he ended the cold war with diplomacy, when they desired a military victory over the Soviet Union.

Deprived of this, the neocons now want victory over Russia.

Today, Reagan is gone. The Republican Establishment is gone. There are no conservative power centers, only neoconservative power centers closely allied with Israel, which uses the billions of dollars funneled into Israeli coffers by US taxpayers to influence US elections and foreign policy.

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http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08192008.html