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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:25 PM
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Hayes R-NC: Stability in Iraq depends on "spreading the message of Jesus Christ"
I had posted yesterday about General William Boykin, who is still on a crusade to save America.

When CNN ran its series “God’s Warriors” last year, one of the people featured prominently was Vision America’s Rick Scarborough. Since then, Scarborough has been struggling mightily to turn his 15 minutes of fame into a full on electoral movement via his “70 Weeks To Save America” campaign.

Despite the various setbacks Scarborough has encountered so far, he continues to plug along with his One Day Crusades and now is bringing in the big guns.


One of the "big guns" is General Boykin, who once said this about a Muslim fighter:

"My God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol."


Tonight I was doing a news search on Boykin, and I ran across this Huffington Post blog about Congressman Robin Hayes, Republican from NC.

Attention All "Evil-Doers": This Really is a Religious War

Another supporter of Boykin during his trials and tribulations as an evangelical general was Congressman Robin Hayes (R-NC): "I had congressmen calling me to offer private encouragement, including Robin Hayes of North Carolina. 'I'm standing with you, Jerry,' he told me. 'All you need to do is call me.'"

This brings us around to one of the current government officials I had intended to write about before getting sidetracked by Boykin's book.

Speaking at a Rotary Club meeting in his hometown of Concord, North Carolina in December 2006, Congressman Hayes pronounced that stability in Iraq ultimately depended on "spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men. ...Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the Savior." Hayes's outrageous remarks, published in the Concord Standard and Mount Pleasant Times, were immediately reported on the blog BlueNC, and the story quickly spread through the blogosphere. A few days later, a spokeswoman for Hayes, although telling the Charlotte Observer she had no reason to doubt the accuracy of the quotes, added, "It's interesting how these bloggers can distort the news." Then, Dale Cline, the editor and publisher of the Concord Standard, who had been at the Rotary Club meeting, appeared on MSNBC, saying that Hayes had told him he was "talking more about spreading Christian principles than spreading Christianity itself," but that Hayes wasn't backpedalling and was probably comfortable with his initial words.


It's a very long post with a lot of things I had not heard. I did learn that a marine was "handing out Bible verse coins to residents of Fallujah -- an incident that required the intervention of a general to mollify the local religious leaders."

I would not have believed how far they had gone with this crusade idea, except we saw it first hand here. We were called unpatriotic by our church, and in 2003 many of our neighbors had look-alike yard signs given out by their churches that read "we support the president, we support the war."

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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:28 PM
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1. Hayes is dumber than a whole ship of hammers.
What an embarrassment.



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ShenandoahAspen Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-08 01:41 AM
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34. That's an insult to a ship of hammers.
Hayes is my congressman and yes he is an embarrassment. He beat Larry Kissell by 329 votes in 2006; Kissell is running again and I think will beat him this time.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:29 PM
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2. Unless he meant spreading "thou shalt not kill" here at home.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:52 PM
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3. They actually believe that the war in Iraq is a religious war.
One between Islam and Christianity.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:06 AM
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4. you know what though?
If they were just over there proselytizing with bibles instead of guns I'd be a lot happier. If they truly were spreading Jesus's message of peace then it would be alright by me. You can neither bomb people into Christians, nor can you shoot the holy spirit into them with assault rifles. I say bring our troops home and send over the evangelicals to do their God-given duty.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:34 AM
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7. I disagree. I don't think we should be trying to convert them either way.
I was raised in a Christian home, and I remember talking to my parents about the fact that people would go to hell if they were not "saved." Trust me, we as young people were pressured to convert others all the time.

My parents were pretty enlightened folks. My Dad was a long time deacon. They told me that only God could judge others, and that it was not my job to go around telling anyone they were going to hell.

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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 02:33 PM
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30. but at least it would be their choice to be over there
and i don't think either option is good. I'd just prefer people weren't dying especially if he sees this war as being about religion.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:10 AM
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5. You think it's bad that his remarks were published on the blog BlueNC
. . . just wait until they hit the Baghdad Bugle.

These guys really know how to make friends and influence people.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 03:47 AM
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6. I'll give him this much...
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 03:48 AM by 0rganism
On a large-enough scale, a widespread Christian evangelism effort by fundamentalist American occupationists in Iraq could do much to unify the Sunni and Shiite Muslims like we haven't seen since the days of Mohammed. I'm not sure this is what Mr. Hayes had in mind.
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tannybogus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:40 AM
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8. Oh goody!! A crusade!
The First Crusade : 1096 to 1099

The Second Crusade : 1147 to 1149

The Third Crusade : 1189 to 1192

The Fourth Crusade : 1201 to 1204

The Fifth Crusade : 1218 to 1221

The Sixth Crusade : 1228 to 1229

The Seventh Crusade : 1248 to 1254

The Eighth Crusade : 1270

In 1212 what became known as the Children’s Crusade also occurred.

In 2003, the Idiot's Crusade began.:evilgrin:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:43 AM
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9. Maximum hypocrisy. Invade a country and kill over a million people then preach peace and good will.
ASSCARROTS
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:44 AM
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10. Israel will be pleased to learn this.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:57 AM
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11. barking fucking mad
I mean, that could take 100 years or more. Who could possibly want to stay in Iraq for 100 years? :shrug:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:23 AM
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12. where do they find these clowns?
christians for war....
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rynobales Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:54 AM
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13. I don't really see much of a problem with this, in theory.
After all, the true teachings of Jesus - peace with everyone, helping the poor, not judging people, treating your neighbors kindly, etc. are very close to our own Democratic ideals.

The problem with this is that the nutjob Christians who lead our country and who are the most outspoken people when talking about Christianity publicly don't really follow or preach the true teachings of Jesus. They just want money, money, money and will do whatever it takes to get there.

Don't blame the message in this case, blame the messenger.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:25 PM
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16. Wrong. We should not even be in their country...much less trying to convert them.
So welcome to DU, but this recovering Southern Baptist disagrees.
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rynobales Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:33 PM
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17. Wow, thanks for the condescending welcome!
I love how someone thinks they know more than me just cause they've posted more opinions than I have.

I said "don't blame the message, blame the messenger". Meaning, don't all you out there go attacking Christianity or the teachings of Jesus because of this. Our invading Iraq and everything that the Repubes are forcing on the world is the exact opposite of the core values of Christianity.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:42 PM
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19. Wow wow wow.....then we both agree we should not have invaded Iraq
So the difference is that I don't think we should be trying to convert those of other faiths.

Hate to tell you...it was not condescension it was disagreement.

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rynobales Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:56 PM
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20. No, it's condescending...
It's happened to me 6 times today, just cause I haven't posted 1000+ times people who disagree start their post in the title with "Welcome to DU" and then cut into me like they are teaching me something new.

We aren't even in disagreement - I never said we should be trying to convert anyone either.

Stop tring to disagree with me with things I didn't say.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:06 PM
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22. There is nothing magic about 1000+ posts at all.
Credibility here at DU only comes if you present yourself right. None of us is immune from being piled on.

It goes with the territory here.

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rynobales2 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:18 PM
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23. I don't mind getting piled on...but why do you all keep banning me?
I don't feel like I was being rude or disobeying any of the message board rules, just clarifying my opinion.

How come whenever I post a difference of opinion on here people ban me? It's hard to have a discussion, whether people agree or disagree with me, when I just get shut out.

Look at the post below this one with "Hardly" in the subject line. He says "Hardly" and acts like he disagree's vehemently with my post, yet isn't even responding to anything I posted. I never said that we should be teaching Christianity anywhere. I also never said the teachings of Christianity weren't the same as those of universal humanity. I was saying that the Repubes who believe in this crap are wrong.

Oh well. It's not worth it. Arguing with people who just like to argue.

Best of luck to you all...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:31 PM
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25. I did not ban you. I said we agree. Were you banned and unbanned?
I sure do not have that power.

We agree we should never have gone in to Iraq. We agree that we should not be trying to convert them there, I think.

But you are so mad, and I have no control over that.
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:41 PM
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28. You DID say you didn't disagree with the message.
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 01:42 PM by muffin1
What makes your message better than theirs? If people would stop trying to "spread the word", we'd all be better off.
Personally, I'm in Bill Maher's camp - all religion is nuts. Usually, I keep this to myself (unless goaded), and I wish Christians would do the same - ESPECIALLY when it comes to other countries.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:40 PM
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18. Hardly.
Jesus didn't corner the market on these messages. Let's not forget that Islam is a peaceful religion--the people in Iraq don't need to be taught how to treat one another nicely (not talking about the militants, who are everywhere in the world, of all "faiths"--including here at home). And those aren't "our own democratic ideals"--they're universal humanist ideals.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:25 PM
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24. You are aware that apostasy is punishable by death in some Muslim countries?
That includes conversion from Islam to Christianity, or any other religion, for that matter. Obviously, some places (Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, the Pakistan Frontier Provinces) tend to be a lot more sticky about this than say, Lebanon or the UAE.

You did know that, right?
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:57 AM
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14. reason # 168 why I utterly DESPISE christians
:mad:
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rynobales Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:09 PM
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15. geez, relax Grandpa...you'll live longer
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:59 PM
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21. thanks mr no posts
enjoy your stay troll
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:33 PM
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26. LOL gone in a dozen
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:41 PM
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27. contrary to popular opinion
iraq was a secular nation before the little bush decided to blow the country into chaos ethnic,tribal,and religious hatred. there was never such a great divide between the three religions as there is now..

one iraqi blogger wrote that during the war with iran there were christians,jews,and muslims fighting together.now they fight each other.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:47 PM
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29. Because the EUROPEAN crusades did
much to bring peace to the Middle East.

Oy vey!
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 06:00 PM
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31. This is why we're fighting everyone. We have idiots like Hayes
who thinks it's our god-given right to impose our culture, government, religion and ideologies on other countries.

We do this all the time. Eventually, a large group of people in these countries get pissed and take radical action, driving us out.

The pattern is so obvious that anyone with the IQ of Spam can see it.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:59 PM
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32. Yes, trying to convert them to Christianity will certainly have a a positive effect.
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 07:59 PM by GOPBasher
:eyes:
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 08:18 PM
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33. We should be able to fire public servants for shit like this
No waiting for election time just show them the door.
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