Florida county must cut off 16,000 of the 19,000 on their indigent health care rolls.

This is the result of Jeb's attempt to lessen the role of government in our lives. His efforts are still going strong because of his House puppet Marco Rubio, and a weak governor who wants to be VP.

Jeb once said this, in fact during an inaugural address in Tallahassee:



Let the people take care of themselves, if they are poor they deserve it...if they are rich they deserve it. No matter to this kind of Republican.

Indigent care plan will cut most of their patients.



This is what happens when a state goes so far down the road of cutting all taxes to the bone, deciding that government has no role. This state has all along been a test state for the extremist philosophy of those who go beyond real conservatism.

You take the good with the bad.

That's awful. I have not been following that story.

"Utilizing the example of O.J. Simpson, famed asset protection attorney Jacob Stein (partner at Boldra, Klueger & Stein, LLP) explains how asset protection works to shield assets from plaintiffs and creditors. 'O.J. Simpson is the best known example of a well-implemented asset protection strategy.' For over ten years, the Goldman family has been in active pursuit of O.J. Simpson's wealth. Driven by a personal vendetta and assisted by high-priced lawyers, the Goldmans have managed to seize the value of Simpson's Brentwood mansion and its contents.

The Brentwood mansion returned to the Goldmans a small percentage of their $33 million judgment against Simpson. So far, they have not been successful in using the judgment to attach any other assets of Simpson. All because of asset protection strategies utilized by Simpson and his legal counsel.

The Goldmans still have a lot of time left to collect on their judgment. Mr. Stein states that under California law a judgment survives for only 10 years, but can be renewed twice, for additional 10-year terms. That gives the Goldmans a total of 30 years to chase down Simpson's wealth.

'Much of O.J.'s wealth is in his various pension plans. The assets of these plans are protected under the federal ERISA laws and even when money is distributed from the plans to O.J., it remains protected under Florida law,' states Jacob Stein. Likewise, the equity in his Florida home is unreachable by any creditor by the homestead provision of Florida law/b]."

Note the line the Goldman family "assisted by high-priced lawyers," like these guys aren't right?

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/9/prweb555533.htm

From Dorf on law"

"Wondering why O.J. Simpson now lives in Florida? It turns out that Florida has the nation's most generous 'homestead' protection. That means that Simpson's home cannot be seized and auctioned to pay (part of) the judgment he still owes to the families of his victims. Florida also restricts the ability of judgment creditors to garnish wages."

http://michaeldorf.org/2006/11/my-last-posting-on-oj-simpson-book-and.html

"these people" contribute nothing to society thus they deserve nothing in return...

...if you're not a yacht owner, then you don't deserve to live---according to
the Republicans.

My father was a right-wing sociopath, and let me tell you about the contempt this
demographic has for the poor, the sick and the indigent. They despise them with
a white-hot passion.

I've listened to their talk at the cocktail parties, and they joke about poor
people and believe that they are stupid and lazy. Among themselves they
are honest and proud of their their revulsion to anyone who needs help, is sick
or needs help in any way.

You would think that America would get this. All Republican legislation clearly
speaks to their hate of people who are poor or need assistance. Just look at what
they do to people who need help! It's the equivalent of throwing an 40 lb weight
to a person struggling to swim.

Seriously, I had an adopted Father like that. They are a heartless cruel group.

My sociopathic, neocon father was my adoptive father also.

Wow, what a coincidence.

If you don't mind me asking...have you ever searched for your birthparents?

My parents were so bad--like, Lifetime-movie-bad, that I have never searched.

I wouldn't quite know what to say about how I grew up.

..and after 55 years I found out who my Mother was but she had passed on 2 years earlier. My Birth Father is unknown to me. I NEVER GAVE UP THE SEARCH!!! I have 2 wonderful half brothers and a half sister who were thrilled that I found them. My adopted Father and Mother were BOTH cruel authoritarian Repukes! Sorry you has the same problem. Take care.

outraged that Democrats only want to "throw away money" on poor people who are unwilling to "work" for a living! We don't talk politics because I know it's useless. Of the six girls in our family she's the only one who is a Repuke and a SUPER religious fundamentalist!

She and my other SUPER Catholic, pro-choice and Obama supporter sister are very close to each other. She lives here in Florida and they call each other every week-end. What's so bizarre about this is that they BOTH talk to me about their differences, each saying they "don't understand" why the other just doesn't "get it"!

Of course, I'm the most political of the bunch and have always been a Democrat, albeit quite cynical these days, so they come to me for a REALITY CHECK! I have long since left the Catholic church and am very much a left-wing Liberal. I just say they don't REALLY want to hear my opinion since BOTH don't follow politics very closely it would TAKE TOO LONG!!

And yes, I have tried in the past... not a good move.

Disputing the Myth of what a "CHRISTIAN NATION" we truly are!!!

and it hits close to home

Kool-Aid drinkers are always slow to catch on. They will swollow whatever the RW Radio Hatemongers put
in front of them. In the end, they are their own worst enemy and they don't even realize it. Damn shame.

Fear of terror is more powerful than anything, even losing one's health care.

They won't make the connection that the Republicans are responsible, and our Democrats here are not about to tell them.

Republican motto:

"If the lack of health care won't kill ya, our neo-con world provocation will."

"Give us time!"

Edit: spelling

...to the American people--this is an outrage!

They spin their Webs and ensnare people into poverty--and then they cut services.

Look at the legislation that has created a trap for many people. Banks were allowed
to finance mortgages--knowing that people would end up in dire straights (but don't
worry about the banks, they'll be bailed out!). Banks also encouraged people to use
their homes as ATMs--by lessening restrictions on home-equity loans.

Look at the new bankruptcy laws that leave people royally screwed and unable to start
over (but don't worry about the corporations, under these new laws they get all of their money!).

Look at the credit-card companies--that have been allowed to give obscene amounts of
credit to college students and people who can't afford it. Our Congress members relaxed
these banking standards and allowed people to hang themselves financially.

Look at the price of food and gas--which has eaten away at household budgets--leaving
many Americans stretched completely to the limit. The government hides true inflation
from us--by excluding food from their standard measure of inflation. They're trying to
hide the crisis.

When one looks at the facts--it is obvious that this government is systematically trying
to destroy this country and hurt people who aren't part of the elite.

-Dickens

And then those who manage to survive without help can become part of a working-slave population to their far superior masters. If too many of them die off, not to worry, we can just import more from poorer nations and act all benevolent to the disadvantaged souls.

apply for health care. I've had health insurance my whole life.

The letters we get from satisfied clients are amazing. "I thought I was going to have to divorce my husband to get health care for my children." "I got treatment for breast cancer because of your help." "I can finally go to the doctor."

I realized how much I take health care for granted, and how serious not having that care is.

This is a life or death issue for many people.

It is why I am a democrat and will donate, and vote, and work to elect democrats locally and nationally.

They are depriving these people of life saving treatment in many cases.

It totally sickens me.

:sarcasm:

Karen Thurman. :sarcasm:

Crist is becoming just like McCain since he got the VP idea in his head.

here in NW FL and they are ready for her to be gone.

Some non-blue dog, non-DLC congressional candidates asked him 2 years ago, just what he's done for Florida Democrats. His answer? "I got Karen Thurman elected as Chair".

a candidate against him next time, I still won't pull the lever for Old Blue Dog.

:puke:

Are we going to start seeing reverse migration for health care reasons?

The point of the movie Sicko was to show how bad the health insurance system in the US really is for the uninsured and those who do have insurance.

it's gonna get a lot worse than just Polk County.

...Lessen the number of tax dollars we pay, and we don't give a damn how.

Government in our lives is fine if it's telling us how to live, believe, think, etc. What they really object to is government in their WALLETS - and in this case "government" really means poor people in need of health care.

They see money spent on poor people as a waste. Why? Because when you feed a poor person, the next day you have to do it all over again, and when you provide medicine for a terminally ill or chronically ill poor person, you just have to keep on doing it.. they see no PROFIT from being decent and charitable..

The stupidity of their plan is that they ALSO refuse to offer assistance that would make poor people less so..

education, decent jobs, quality housing & infrastructures would/could lift people out of poverty and create new taxpayers..self-sufficient ones, but republicans love to hang on to money..only spending it for war stuff and to enrich their own pals.

The governments know that they are denying necessary services. They do it on purpose. figuring that the people affected will leave the county or even the state for some place like California where they can get health care.

You see this a lot in Texas, too. It is a sneaky way of segregating the state---since segregation is illegal.

This is also why so many places in the south refuse to get mass transit even though the air is shitty. Mass transit would allow people who can not afford a car to move in. For instance, Arlington Texas is one of the largest cities in the country---no bus service. They keep voting it down because they want to keep out the people who use buses.

If one can move away from them to a civilized state or community - why not do so?

But I know many simply can't. I myself am typing this message from Alabama.

And, any other place in the world, the people would have taken to the streets a long time ago.

Down here, people are desensitized by a double-deadly dose of kool-aid and religion. They can't even feel the vultures picking at their bones.

It boggles the mind that in the so called "greatest" nation on earth (now up for debate after 8 years of Bush), people with diabetes will not be able to get insulin. Jeb must practice the kind of Christianity that gives wealth as a reward and everyone else is undeserving.

Governments in the UK to destroy our national health-service. It all started, of course, with Thatcher in 1980.

in the nick of time. I'd written on one of your threads a long time back that we were there during 2000 and left soon after due to a confluence of some pretty rotten circumstances. My partner is a long-term (26-year) survivor of HIV and had assistance when we got together. We sat down and looked at all the options, including his going under my insurance, if that would have done him any better. There was just no way. At that time (1996), the price of his meds was around $92,000/year retail price. Thanks to the repukes in Congress shoving the Medicare "reforms" through, even the old, proven, generic meds went up in price 600% in one year. Not even the cutting-edge stuff -- I'm talking about the long-out, generic stuff. You don't even want to know what happened to the price of the newer cocktails. There is no question why the drug companies' profits are obscene -- they're getting a fabulous, tax-free, completely unquestioned giveaway at taxpayer expense. And nobody is allowed to question a penny of it.

Your compassionate conservatives hard at work :sarcasm:

As quick as Jebbie got into office, the rabbit-chases for even basic care began. This fund dried up. That doctor quit practicing because he couldn't get paid. The other clinic closed. We tried alternative insurances. In place of an infectious disease specialist, (I swear to Dog I am not making this up!!) he got sent to a gynecologist. She was as astonished as he was; he showed her the appointment slip and the letter from the insurer so everyone knew he wasn't just making it up, either.

You should have seen the looks we got in the waiting room. We are both positively the most redneck-looking, unfeminine creatures on the planet. Talk about miserable, uncomfortable and way out of place, there we were, Doing As Told to try to hang on to some scrap of healthcare. He was humiliated, I was trying to be supportive, the doctor was furious at her time being wasted (not at us, at the system)... it was bad and now I'm sorry to hear it has gotten far, far worse.

Nobody gives a shit about your dignity when you have no money and no options.

The more repuke the government got, the more insane his healthcare choices got from there. (No surprise. If you want to really eff anything up, just put a repuke in charge of it. Works every time. Biggest bunch of id10ts on earth.) By the time we saw Sicko, there wasn't a goddam thing Mr Moore could tell us. Not one.

I do miss the climate. I do miss my friends. But I will never set foot in that state again until Jeb, his minions and his inheritors are swinging from trees by the necks as they so richly have earned the need to do.

the wealthy got tax breaks? Astounding, yet very Bush-like.

www.johnrussellforcongress.com