How in the hell is this election close?

I have seen ONE McCain bumpersticker and ONE McCain yard sign!!

I was chatting with our local Democrats at the Farmer's Market the other day and they were telling me that they have Republicans re-registering as Dems and Republicans telling them that they are voting for Obama.

Besides the 24% faithful, who in the hell is voting for this guy?!

keep on voting against our best interests, really sucky.

you can't fix stupid.

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On the other hand, if we use the mean for our average, I think it's well over 50% that are below average.

for a week, that is what some commentator on CNN said.

Proof by assertion: a logical fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction. Sometimes this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam). In other cases its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.<1>

This logical fallacy is sometimes used as a form of rhetoric by politicians, or during a debate as a filibuster. In its extreme form, it can also be a form of brainwashing. Modern politics contains many examples of proof by assertions. This practice can be observed in the use of political slogans, and the distribution of "talking points," which are collections of short phrases that are issued to members of modern political parties for recitation to achieve maximum message repetition. The technique is also sometimes used in advertising.

The technique is described in a saying, often attributed to Lenin, as "A lie told often enough becomes the truth", <2> although the user may not be intentionally promoting a lie and may just believe an illogical or faulty proposition.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion

the GOP and their corporate masters tell the media what to say

I think you're 100% on this one. I think the lie has been told so many times that folks are not seeing: a) how good a candidate Obama is and, 2) how much a house-of-cards campaign McLame is running.

I agree, there is NO WAY even with the bump after this past weekend that there are more people at this point saying they'll vote for McCain over Obama.

Obama supporters are gung ho about their support of him, really all of them. No one I know is NOT excited about voting for Obama.

McCain has a small amount of the Repubes that are gung ho and pushing people to vote for him, but none of them are actually excited to vote for McCain. They can't stand McCain, they just tell people they need to vote for him to stop Obama.

It is 100% impossible that more American's are committed enough to say to a pollster that they will vote for McCain over Obama.

Does anyone have any good media contacts out there who can investigate this? Really, I think this is a backhanded Rovian way of trying to brainwash people into thinking they aren't the only ones not voting for Obama.

that they will pull the lever for McCain because, Jesus told them to, they don't feel safe and only a thug will salve the wound, they think thugs will protect their wealth never mind the poor folk. They are not proud of these feelings...they just have them. I known first hand, my mother is one of them.

However if "they" are going to steal another election it must APPEAR that it's a close, tight race so when they do steal it the public won't bat an eye or think twice about it.

I mean if Obama's numbers were shown to be far greater than mcsames in the run up to election day and then mcsame suddenly and overwhelmingly wins the election.. people might notice something was amiss:wtf:

Right answer, well-stated.

Where's my prize;-)

hey:hi:

the same way we all hang on Olberman's every word. Take a vacation from tv. Come back in October (or saturdays in the Fall for college football)

Even the Republicans I know can't stand McCain. I've never even met an admitted supporter.

TIED????????????

Going negative opens those cracks up...

Unless the convention truly unites the party division we will lose this Fall... I hope the Obama people have realized this.

It's in their best interest to keep the election from stagnating. We all know Obama is the better candidate without any doubt but the MSM has to sell that advertising and so they fan the flames as best they can. Fact is, McLame doesn't give them a hell of a lot to work with, so their work is really cut out for them. Not even the RW Radio Hatemongers can come up with anything to say in McLame's favor. Tune in some time if your stomach can handle it. The best they can do is to tell lies and exaggerations about Obama and the Dems. They never can seem to come up with anything positive about their boy McLame. There must be a reason for that. :shrug:

I've wondered that too; 7+ years of the 2nd Great Depression isn't enough for people, and they want more? :wtf:

won't start paying attention for 60 more days.

the 8 years of failed Bush policies. It's classic Rove underdog strategy. When the issues are against you, make the campaign about your opponent. Cast major doubts about the other candidate.

In 1992, when Carville yelled, "It's the economy, Stupid.", what he really meant is to keep the focus of the campaign on the issues.

the campaign be about him ???

HE isn't talking about him ... What comes from HIM and his camp is just fine ...

The right wing talks about him, the MSM follows the right wing agenda ... They ignor 1) McCains gruesome gaffes 2) Obama's messaging ... They parrot what the right wing tells them to parrot ...

Not a whole heck of a lot he can do about it ...

I was watching CNN last week with MSNBC covering the Olympics ... I SWEAR each anchor had a quota that they HAD to match of saying Obama and problem in the same sentence ... The weather is not as warm as normal, that is a problem for Obama ...

How is he "letting" them do it ???

Whenever McCain attacked personally, Obama should have been right there to counter attack with hard hitting facts.

McCain attacks with Paris Hilton. Respond with an ad of McCain and Bush sharing a cake while people in New Orleans were dying.

Hit that old man in his face with facts.

Running this "High Road" campaign has been tried and failed.

but it's because they know it's what you want to hear. Believe me, and it gives me no optimism, a lot of them will do something very different in the privacy of the voting booth.

that the repigs COULD eek this out, and then the election thievery shall take place.

Just like it always has.

i think the repubs will rally around mccain no matter what. they now seem to hate obama as much as they hated the clintons.
they probly don't want to vote for mccain, but they will vote against obama.
i think another factor could in fact be his perceived inexperience, and the recent problems with russia.
democratic underground is made up of activist, most american voters can't even name their own senators.
i'm not surprised that it's close.

Only one is correct.

No one (me included) will say it.

It is hard to believe the polls. I have seen only one McCain bumper sticker, and many Hillary and Obama ones.

There are people who wouldn't vote for Obama even if he was John Kerry/Al Gore because they just simply don't like the guy's positions on certain issues.

Trying to pin racism on everyone who decides not to vote for Obama is a losing strategy and it sure isn't going to win any truly undecideds over to your side.

It's too early, they're not well done, and they're meaningless.

What else can these blathering cable news idiots talk about except junk polls and guess who might be chosen for vice-president candidates?

All of it meaningless.

Ignore them.

Because frankly, McCain is walking away with this thing.

earlier?

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Civil Georgia, Tbilisi / 2 Aug.'08 / 09:54
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Mamuka Kurashvili, a Georgian Defense Ministry official in charge of overseeing peacekeeping operations, said that the Georgian side had opened fire in response to shelling of Georgian villages.

Six civilians and one Georgian policeman were injured as a result of shelling of the Georgian villages of Zemo Nikozi, Kvemo Nikozi, Nuli and Ergneti, the Georgian Interior Ministry said.

Kurashvili said that it was one of the most “outrageous” attacks carried out by the South Ossetian side.

He also said that the Georgian side suspected the Russian peacekeepers were also engaged in the shelling of the Georgian villages.

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http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=18871

We can't pretend like this all started on Aug. 7th with the attack on the rebel stronghold of Tskhinvali. Things are not as black and white as some may want you to believe. Not to mention, siding with the Russians just isn't going to fly with most of the American people. We might as well just give the election to McCain if we are to be seen eating up Russian propaganda due to our intense bitterness towards our own government.

There's enough mud in the water now that I don't think we should knee-jerk our way forward just because we know Russia's capable of bad behavior. (And we certainly do know that)

It's the automatic Get Tough(TM) stance that I think should be avoided.

Here's more opinion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3827964

Keep talking to people and thinking about it.

and they'll continue being formed over the next few months.

McCain is very well known. Obama, despite all the attention, not so much, not among those who don't really follow the news closely (which is probably a majority of voters, alas.)

I'm fairly confident that Obama will define himself favorably to most Americans in the weeks ahead; I also think McCain's image has nowhere to go but down.

It was on a ragged-out SUV from 1997 or so.

:rofl:

I haven't met a single repuke enthusiastic about McCombover (and I work in a repuke-heavy field ).

We're seeing a broad effort to convince the public that the race is close, because that's what you need if you want to steal an election.

You didn't really think the "ends justify the means" crowd would let the Legislative and Executive branches go completely, when they've got the machinery in place to prevent that, did you? They'll do it blatantly on live television before they let that happen.

The Democrats had a chance to clean up the election system over the last two years, but they largely ignored it. I'll be shocked if the Democrats pick up more than a handful of seats in the Congress, and I'll be very surprised indeed if Obama wins.

Brought to you by the cheating cheaters and those who cheat for them in the voting machine industry.

It's just a media ploy to keep viewers watching their mediocre political "coverage". Ratings sell advertising, so they have to keep trying to put lipstick on the pig to keep the dollars rolling in. McGoo isn't making it easy for them, he's a real snooze-fest.

It *always* seems to come down to a 'neck-in-neck' horse race. At times it seems like staged drama, doesn't it?

I feel it's due to the whole Russia/Georgia debacle. Fanning those Cold War flames, or re-igniting the embers. I can see how this event might give plenty the warm fuzzies for a strong Republican.

I don't buy the line that it's about people feeling like McCain is better on the economy either. That line of thought would seem to be wrong. I mean if 8yrs of Republican rule got us here, why would you want more?

I do believe that some may have gotten Reagan wood, and got all nostalgic falling for the image of another time, and place. Which might i add never existed.

It's always easy to fool a fool, and we are full of fools in this nation.

one really can not determine the validity of the poll. My guess is the algorithm employed skews results to show the pre-determined outcome. Much has been learned about polling since the 1936 and 1948 embarrassments--both how to ensure one's poll reflects reality that exists or the reality one wants to project.

How can they make money with an Obama landslide?

Much easier to just outright believe a negative ad than display a bit of cynicism and check out the facts for yourself.

We are a nation of lazy people.

Democrats need to get over the bullshit "high-mindedness idealism" and playing fair notions. This is a street fight and our Dem leaders need to start carrying studded brass knuckles, not backhanded slaps with a white glove.

We could win this election easily, but it would require the Dems working to SCARE THE SHIT out of voters and convincing them that voting for McCain would be a vote for World War III. We need to run a "Daisy" ad against McCain and portray him as unhinged.

J

And here is the proof:

http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=713418&category=EL&BCCode=&newsdate=8/20/2008

if they want to. Just like the last two elections. Count on it.

Brian Williams, Katie Couric, and the other network anchor were on Larry King the other
night talking about the race. King asked, 'so who do you think will take it'.

Williams says 'This one will go down to the last second. If anyone tells you any different, walk
away.' He was out of his seat gesticulating.

Well, how would he know? Because that's the party line. It's total b.s.

Previous to that, Couric was talking a bout how "the Bradley effect" will take over at the last minute and make it close.

So they're selling too close to call and, if the polling gets out of control (there are reliable
polls that show Obama kicking ass), they can always way, 'those white people told pollsters, even
exit pollsters, that they voted for Obama, but, ya know, "the Bradley effect."

Just accept that th media control is pervasive and we're experiencing the last days and months of the
Matrix like manipulation or the set up for something much worse.

But don't take these corporate polls or talking heads too seriously.

I don't believe they (PUMAs) have numbers that would actually effect an election but what does the corporate media care, they spread propaganda without even trying to disguise it anymore.

:hi:

Federation. They have interlocking and overlapping arguments to keep it "close" so when the fix is in, the people buy the act.

Mr. McMahon is an an honest man. He filed papers with New York state sports authorities admitting that
professional wrestling is entertainment and that the matches, although quite dangerous, are scripted
to fit a story line.

Our "rulers" should take a lesson from Mr. McMahon.

:shrug:

The West Coast, Eastern Seaboard and Great Lakes states (other than Ohio) will all go to Obama. If the vote were today, he'd still rack up most or all of these states.

The real battles will be waged in Ohio (it figures), Missouri, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, Florida (of course), New Hampshire -- all the usual states where the final electoral votes decide the winner.

This presupposes that it's going to be a fair, well-secured election. And that may be a long shot these days. :grr:

I already hate Florida!!

I don't think it's close at all.

(I'm looking for the link for the new voters statement. I just saw it the other day.)

basically, we're screwed.

http://www.iqtest-center.com/iq-scores.php

Grade Range Percent
Genius 144 0.13%
Gifted 130-144 2.14%
Above average 115-129 13.59%
Higher average 100-114 34.13%
Lower average 85-99 34.13%
Below average 70-84 13.59%
Borderline low 55-69 2.14%
Low <55 0.13%

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http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/US-Election-IQ2004.htm

AVERAGE
POP PRESIDENT
LIST STATE IQ ELECT
1 Connecticut 113 John Kerry
2 Massachusetts 111 John Kerry
3 New Jersey 111 John Kerry
4 New York 109 John Kerry
5 Rhode Island 107 John Kerry
6 Hawaii 106 John Kerry
7 Maryland 105 John Kerry
8 New Hampshire 105 John Kerry
9 Illinois 104 John Kerry
10 Delaware 103 John Kerry
11 Minnesota 102 John Kerry
12 Vermont 102 John Kerry
13 Washington 102 John Kerry
14 California 101 John Kerry
15 Pennsylvania 101 John Kerry
16 Maine 100 John Kerry
17 Virginia 100 George Bush
18 Wisconsin 100 John Kerry
19 Colorado 99 George Bush
20 Iowa 99 George Bush
21 Michigan 99 John Kerry
22 Nevada 99 George Bush
23 Ohio 99 George Bush
24 Oregon 99 John Kerry
25 Alaska 98 George Bush
26 Florida 98 George Bush
27 Missouri 98 George Bush
28 Kansas 96 George Bush
29 Nebraska 95 George Bush
30 Arizona 94 George Bush
31 Indiana 94 George Bush
32 Tennessee 94 George Bush
33 North Carolina 93 George Bush
34 West Virginia 93 George Bush
35 Arkansas 92 George Bush
36 Georgia 92 George Bush
37 Kentucky 92 George Bush
38 New Mexico 92 George Bush
39 North Dakota 92 George Bush
40 Texas 92 George Bush
41 Alabama 90 George Bush
42 Louisiana 90 George Bush
43 Montana 90 George Bush
44 Oklahoma 90 George Bush
45 South Dakota 90 George Bush
46 South Carolina 89 George Bush
47 Wyoming 89 George Bush
48 Idaho 87 George Bush
49 Utah 87 George Bush
50 Mississippi 85 George Bush

because of his positions on abortion and gay marriage (against both of them). These things are not the real big issues right now, yet that is what is deciding her vote. Nothing much I can do about it either, unfortunately. There are a lot of people out there like her too.

as well as the corp media, who are identical interests when all is done.