For every female vote McCain gains with a female VP he will lose a rethug male vote

Rethugs I know are funny that way.

Barefoot and in the kitchen is where they want them.

Don

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then maybe you won't get tombstoned.

My wife is a Republican, and she wouldn't post here if you held her feet to the fire. If you are planning to disrupt things here, keep your bags packed.

If you are coming over from the dark side for good, then welcome!

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in 1992. Don't blame me; blame your party.

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And what does that have to do with being a Democrat?

If you want an intelligent conversation, you'll have to do your part. I can do the heavy lifting by myself, if I have to; but then, it wouldn't be a conversation, just a monologue...

platforms of the two parties and you'll see pretty quickly that one tries to appeal to peoples' good side, while the other uses fear, division, racism, etc. There are always assholes in any group-- but the GOP actively courts them. The two parties are not the same.

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Worked since I was teen, military, got out and started a business, etc., etc. I want my neighbors to do well enough and be comfortable enough to be able to frequent my business. We both win or we both lose.

We have *no healthcare system* in this country. The British system works a lot better than our complete lack of a system.

I think it's also important for you to know that, even if you triple your yearly income next year, you will not be close to being wealthy. The problem we've got here is that we're taxed out the ass and get nothing for it. We hand that money to the nations' Dick Cheneys, and they sock it away in overseas accounts without paying any taxes at all.

And our politicians in the States run from just right of center to far, far right-- if you're comparing them to Europe.

unfeasability of the concept.

They never mention Sweden, Belgium, Denmark or Finland, which offer the best health care anywhere in the world.

And no, we're nowhere near the top. The World Health Organization rated the United States 18th in the world for quality of primary care. We rate behind the Czech Republic, for Pete's sake. So our health care is both cripplingly expensive AND not very good. Not something to be proud of... :eyes:

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Usually 20+ folks waiting the ER at any given time. More of the "I've got mine, the hell with you" mindset.

No, thanks.

And at a higher rate.

lives?

I started working when I was 12! :rofl:

What state was this? What were the laws of the state at that time? Your parents gave you permission to work and there was an employer who would hire you? And you came from a family with zero opportunity, right?

Or are you talking about babysitting jobs? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

And marrying into the military is just too convenient an add on.

You seem to be making no point independent of "I, personally, am a very, very virtuous person." Therefore, what I say should carry weight.

Except that even very, very virtuous persons have to back up their arguments.

In fact, even non-virtuous persons, like the adulterer McCain, have to back up their arguments and show what they offer rather than just cut down their opponent.

But, don't broad brush. When you say: "they are in every party.." have some story with a backup link to a major news source.

When Reagan and Bush I held office, over one-hundred of their administration were indicted.

When Clinton left after eight years, ONE indictment. And, that was over having sufficient evidence behind saying a certain trip was for government purpose, and, further, the cost to fly back and fight the case would have cost taxpayers more than the fine involved.

So, when you say they both do it. Think about what you are saying.

Oh, and since it tends to be a typical Republican newcomer mistake, Bill Clinton was not indicted, he was, however impeached and then the full impeachment failed. Three independent prosecutors did not indict, they each ended without indictment. They did, upon threat of keeping that process alive over and over for years to come, get concession from Bill in order to close down the special prosecution. The Supreme Court(SCOTUS), without saying whom among themselves, have disallowed Bill from litigating inside SCOTUS. That is the same SCOTUS that later did not allow the Florida recount of the vote of the people by a 5-4 vote claiming their action should never be used a precedent.

Around here, make certain you know what you are talking about and can back it up well. Otherwise you'll look like that thing you claimed other looked like.

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Oh?

:rofl: :rofl:

in this conversation. If all you can bring away from the Clinton Administration is that he got a blow-job in the Oval Office, you just aren't paying attention. You seem to have an animus against welfare recipients. Were you aware that Bill Clinton drastically reduced the welfare rolls in this country? Bush actually re-invigorated welfare by simply transferring taxpayer funded benefits from struggling individuals to mind-bogglingly wealthy corporations. Ever heard the expression "Privatized profits, socialized losses"? If a corporation falls through the cellar hole due to corruption, bungling, economic mismanagement or simply the vagaries of the free market, why should my tax dollars go to bail them out? Why should corporate welfare be more acceptable than the individual kind?

Murdering hundreds of thousands of Iraqis is saving them? And killing 4,000 American servicemen and servicewomen? Get the fuck out of here.



Then the last time you checked, you were wrong.



Bush is a mistake. He personifies it. He has obliterated the nation's reputation, economy, military, and environment for his own self-interest. Please educate yourself.

And, if Monica wants to sue for it, I'm sure she can try but her testimony already in place might be enough to deny her case before she could start one.

When Bill started in office there was a war in Somalia: Bill ended it; there was a standoff in WACO: the FBI still run by Republican appointee ended it badly; and one month into his presidency a bomb went off in the WTC: Bill said he'd find who did it, he did, they were sentenced, and they rot in jail to this day. (Note: Osama's still free.)

Bill had terrorism meetings every day. The Bush admin refused to meet over and over.

I did not say, nor did I mean to imply, nor did I imply that Bill is infallible, nor did I mention doctors. He tried to move us to accept gays in the military and it was too quickly done. Okay, a mistake.

You can point a finger. Do notice that three tend to point back you yourself!

ON EDIT: Bill went into Kosovo, acquired world-wide support of major countries, won with a minimum of losses, and left. The losses were typical of suicide losses in the military of people that age. (Note: Now suicide attempts are now at over a thousand a month with over a hundred successful per year. Much much higher.)

Bush is allowed to make mistakes, but Clinton was not? Okydokey.

Well, are you sure you're old enough? :rofl:

this woman one step from pres.

what were they thinking

I hope nobody counts on that as an avenue to victory for the Democratic ticket.

Most Republicans are men, and what really matters to them is whether or not a woman is hot.

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You are on DU now; grammar counts. ;-)

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B-)

You can count on it.

It's already started. :(

But, if he keeps her out of sight as much as possible, AND the lefties can't refrain themselves from writing about her and going on TV and saying things about her in a similar vein as they wrote and spoke of Clinton, it's anyone's game, IMO. (Unless she gets indicted.)

...I think this is the worst pick McCain could have made, if they were really trying to woo the Hillary voters.

From her credentials, it seems like the only thing thing she has going for her is that she is female. It comes off as very shallow.

If the Hillary voters weren't already brought back into our party, this will guarantee it. They are too smart not to see right through this.

It's between Obama and staying home.

That is a crucial mistake I keep seeing people make here. And it's more than a fine distinction--the handful of nutjobs that are threatening to vote McCain are not significant enough in number to do any real harm to Obama. The number of people who are seriously considering staying home are far greater. And Obama wouldn't be the only one hurt by it--all those Dems hoping to ride his coattails will get hurt too. In contrast, the few threatening to vote McCain people I know still plan on voting for local Dems.

It's not about how experienced she is, it's about cutting into Obama's initial base - internet lefties - and dangling the bait for the sexist attacks to flair up all over again.

Sadly, our resident braintrust seems to be taking the bait, hook line and sinker.

Like throwing chum to sharks, frankly.

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We do not allow Republicans on here...sometimes it makes a bit of a echo chamber, but usually we can have good debates (and out-right flame fests) without having to consider the republican bs. If your going to vote for Obama, then awesome.

But if you want to go somewhere to debate liberals, there are a lot of other sites you can go to without disrupting this one.

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you have to bring the smarts.

If your husband makes 70,000+ and you're still paying taxes up the wazoo, that means Bush's vaunted "tax cuts" didn't include you two. Who do you think they went to? My wife and I have a combined income of 110,000+, and we got socked in the jaw every April 15th for five solid years after Bush's tax cuts for the rich went into effect.

You have been dropping hints that you are non-partisan or independent. That's cool. But this election won't go to an independent; it will go to a member of either of the two major parties. If you really want help with the taxes you and your husband are paying, place your bet on Obama.

With Bush, to-the-manor-born-with-a-silver-spoon-in-his-mouth, and never worked a day in his life, did you really think you and your husband, who work for a living, were going to get a fair shake? Vote for someone who has worked for everything he has, and understands people who do the same. It's a pretty sensible, intelligent thing to do.

You mentioned 'consequences' earlier; it occurred to me that many people, by their own admission, voted for Bush in 2000, because they wanted someone they "could have a beer with". By voting for a drinking buddy instead of a President, and voting against their own economic self-interests, we're all living with the consequences of that.

no need to attack since the freeper was booted

They just vote for really dumb, republican women.

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McThuseleh has not given up carte blanche to talk about his age!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl:

And he has cut himself off from his talk of "experience." This woman's experience with international affairs is zilch! Biden can kill her! Even Obama is leagues ahead of her!

This is the stupidest thing McStupid had done.