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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:23 AM
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There's something happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear...
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 07:50 AM by Hubert Flottz
Well it's becoming clear to me that the GOP based Pogroms in progress now the Twin Cities, are no different from the political round-ups of protesters we saw a couple of weeks ago in Red China. To save time and work, I wanted to move my post from another thread, in another place on DU and to place it here for your information. Your input here would be appreciated...am I seeing things that are not really there or have we been invaded by fascism?

From one of the three amigos from Hell...

Snip...

GRAHAM: Thank you for -- that is absolutely the point I've been trying to make for a year and a half. I want to give that troop an answer that we can all live with.

And let me take this just a little bit further. The FISA statute, in a time of war, is a check and balance. But here's where I think I'm your biggest fan. During the time of war, the administration has the inherent power, in my opinion, to surveil the enemy and to map the battlefield electronically -- not just physical, but to electronically map what the enemy is up to by seizing information and putting that puzzle together.

And the administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue fifth column movements.

And let me tell folks who are watching what a fifth column movement is. It is a movement known to every war where American citizens will sympathize with the enemy and collaborate with the enemy. And it's happened in every war. Much more here...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/07/AR2006020700731.html

The Nazi Clones are alive and well and they have the upper hand.



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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:29 AM
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1. Can we take a chance on Letting John McCain win and appoint Lindsey
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 07:31 AM by Hubert Flottz
Graham AG or to the SCOTUS? Would McCain put Phil Gramm in charge of the SEC? The Pandora's that box the SCOTUS opened when they appointed Bush pResident back in 2000, is nothing, compared to what this country could face, if the voters don't wake up ASAP and smell the brimstone!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:32 AM
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2. That is some creepy shit!
So the camps are more than ready then? Razor wire all in place and like a tent city or more of a stoneware compound or what?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:35 AM
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3. The shit might hit the fan the day after the election...
I believe the GOP will steal it and I'm afraid the country will erupt.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:45 AM
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7. As long as the cable TV and the beer ain't cut off..
The "country" ain't gonna do jack squat.

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:39 AM
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16. DING DING DING, We have a winner!!!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 12:24 PM
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21. I'm afraid you're right...
now, if, after February's pnoney requirement that everyone switch to digital, when we've been perfectly capable of doing BOTH AT THE SAME TIME for some time now, they RAISE CABLE RATES...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:46 AM
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8. If they steal it, bet on an eruption, and the richie's shit will go first!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:16 AM
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12. I think the neocons are like Hitler's crew of insane monsters...
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 10:20 AM by Hubert Flottz
If they can't dominate America they'd just as soon see it totally ruined.

Edit...I really do think that the neocons believe that they can't afford to lose and face the investigations and accountability that are sure to follow a massive political upset in November.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:29 AM
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14. P r o s e c u t i o n s ... P r o s e c u t i o n s this is how we play la la la.
:evilgrin:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:37 AM
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4. Yes, we have been invaded by fascism.
Judge for yourself (Hit the link for examples):

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:45 AM
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5. And look at this...
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 07:46 AM by Hubert Flottz
Bush quietly seeks to make war powers permanent, by declaring indefinite state of war

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bush_seeks_to_institutionalize_war_powers_0830.html

And now look again at what Lindsey Grahm and Gonzo were saying in the hearing that I posted the link to in my OP.

Snip...

GRAHAM: Thank you for -- that is absolutely the point I've been trying to make for a year and a half. I want to give that troop an answer that we can all live with.

And let me take this just a little bit further. The FISA statute, in a time of war, is a check and balance. But here's where I think I'm your biggest fan. During the time of war, the administration has the inherent power, in my opinion, to surveil the enemy and to map the battlefield electronically -- not just physical, but to electronically map what the enemy is up to by seizing information and putting that puzzle together.

And the administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue fifth column movements.

And let me tell folks who are watching what a fifth column movement is. It is a movement known to every war where American citizens will sympathize with the enemy and collaborate with the enemy. And it's happened in every war. Much more here...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

"The FISA statute, in a time of war, is a check and balance."

And NOW, George is trying to put America into a permanent state of war. When will they be beating your door down? When will it be YOU that "The Man Comes To Take You Away?" You better stop, hey what's that sound, everybody look what's going down!

Edit for spelling error.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:31 AM
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15. Fucking monkeys!
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:53 AM
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18. hi Lasher
Great find :thumbsup:

I think of this alot lately
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 12:14 PM
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20. And yet it is fairly common for reich-wingers to assert that Democrats are fascists,
and that Republicans are not. When one makes such a charge, and I'm going to be very kind here, it demonstrates intellectual shortcoming.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:45 AM
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6. What's funny is
they have totally overstepped themselves by busting into people's homes for imaginary thought-crime...
and it looks very likely that they won't have a convention after all their brownshirt machinations.

The GOP is falling to bits... gloriously.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:49 AM
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9. I can't laugh until the country is out of grave danger from the likes
of Bush and McCain and the corporate neocons that pull their puppet strings.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:04 AM
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10. Yeah not so much funny ha-ha
more like karma coming back with vengeance
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:11 AM
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11. Joseph Raymond McCarthyism + Charlie McCarthyism =
A self-serving, paranoid, cowardly, ass kissing, DUMMY, like Lindsey Graham . An insane man who sees "evil" when he looks at every American Citizen, who don't line up like a stupid lamb, behind George Bush, Dick Cheney and John McCain.

A Classic paranoid Enabler like the ones that once unleashed Hitler and Stalin. A COWARD among COWARDS!

Another vote for a republican is a vote for fascists and THAT REALLY IS The "GOSPEL TRUTH," IMHO!

I'm not saying I believe in what every protester in America is doing or thinking of doing, but bye God I believe that every American has the right under the Constitution to speak his or her mind, and to assemble peaceably to express their views. Anything less is Un-American. Anything less, is like the things that despots and dictators and kings, that Americans have fought against for 230 years, try to pawn off as a "Way Of Life" on subjugated, innocent people.

PLEASE, if you have not done so already, go to the link on the OP and read the full text of what was being said in that senate hearing.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:26 AM
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13. And What Is The Response Of The Minnesota Democratic Party & Leaders To This Outrage?
The raids in Minneapolis may become commonplace all over the country.

This is a campaign issue!

Unless one doesn't care about defending the Constitution and our Bill of Rights.
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tazkcmo Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:12 PM
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22. EXACTLY!
I'm trying to get some fols to contact Obama about this. We all need to be hot on this.

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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:39 AM
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17. Graham would love to see and be a part of the totalitarian state...
...here in the States, and it seems more and more he's getting his wish.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:57 AM
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19. Damn these rats disgust me!
What a swarmy, ass kissing, POS!
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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:37 PM
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23. Minneapolis: Muni-parking ramp looks like it has been transformed into a temporary detention center.
Since early last week, the Leamington Municipal Parking Ramp (on East 10th and 11th Streets between South 2nd and 3rd Avenues -- two blocks north of the Mpls Convention Center) appears to have been taken over by the Minneapolis PD. The windows of the lobby section along 2nd Avenue have been masked over. The place looks like it has been locked up tighter than a drum, saving the two vehicle entrances on 10th and 11 Streets. There are security checkpoints at each of those entries manned by Minneapolis PD. Dozens of police vehicles are parked on both sides of three of the surrounding streets - around half of which are vans. There is an ice-making trailer parked just inside the 10th Street entry, as if they expect the need to provide fluids to lots of people.

I wonder if this is going to be used for overflow from St. Paul, or for sweeps in Minneapolis--or both.

Whatever the case, it is sure creepy walking by there late at night.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:15 PM
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24. I'd watch out when I went to the crapper if I were you...
Don't forget that a Reich Wing Singing Bobble-Foot was Cited in your airport toilet.
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