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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:58 PM
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Flying into a hurricane sounds like a VERY bad idea. Here's to the Hurricane Hunter pilots...
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 07:59 PM by A HERETIC I AM

What kind of person willingly fly's one of these




Into the middle of one of these...




Hats off to the drivers of those planes. Their skill and Airmanship provides for the collection of data that saves lives.

:toast:

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 07:59 PM
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1. I'd like to do that some time
Those planes are incredibly robust, and the pilots know what they are doing.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:08 PM
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2. No doubt. Still, it takes a certain type of person to do it.
I am an admitted pilot wannabe. But I know this: Flying into a violent storm intentionally is seen as foolish by most pilots.

I'd love to give it a try, but I am not convinced I would want to fly a complex pattern like the one below through a storm producing 125 MPH winds. And I am further doubtful I would want to do it again, much less for a living!

Upper aircraft flight pattern for VME experiment.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:13 PM
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3. It's less dangerous than you think...
although not without risk..

The wind speeds aren't really the problem because in the air, aircraft only react to "relative wind" or their "perceived airspeed".

The main impact of hurricane wind speed would be to impact range and the aircraft used for these missions have tremendous ranges anyways.

The main risks in hurricanes are the same as in more ordinary storms - down drafts and "gust loading" or sudden changes in windspeed due to turbulence which DO impact the aircaft in the form of "G" loading or accelerations on the airframe or undesirable loss of altitude.

These storms are most dangerous BELOW the cloud deck where dangerous up and down drafts can push the aircraft around and gust loads (turbulence) are more likely.

As someone has pointed out however, the aircraft used for these missions are extraordinarily structurally sturdy and the pilots can just let the plane go up and down with the gusts if necessary rather than force the plane to hold altitude in order to alleviate some of the loading.

Finally, if necessary these aircraft are either turboprop or jet aircraft that are capable of climbing out of most of the storm clouds they encounter unlike the little piston engine planes that I've flown.

This of course is no ordinary airline ride to Cleveland and the crews are trained and strapped in but all in all I think a shuttle mission would be riskier.

I'd love to do this (hurricane hunt) some time myself.

Doug De Clue
Bachelor of Aerospace Engineering, Georgia Tech
Private Pilot Single Engine Land, FAA

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:41 PM
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12. Excellent post, thank you for the information.

:thumbsup:

I've always been fascinated by these missions.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:16 PM
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4. People vary a lot in their tolerance for risk..
Indeed, there are a lot of people who seek out risk. Life is too stultified for many people these days and thrill seeking behavior is quite common.

I'm something of a thrill seeker myself, rode crotch rockets for many years, starting back when we called them "cafe' racers" and had to build them ourselves. I did this for entertainment, for me, nothing makes me feel more alive than laughing at fate.

I'd jump at the chance to ride in a hurricane hunter, you'd have to beat me off with a big stick to keep me away.

Piloting one would be about as good as getting paid to have sex with gorgeous women.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:20 PM
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5. Don't we have technology that just do this for us?!?
Where the hell are those unmanned drones that we use to murder people in the desert? Let's use those instead of sending human beings.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:23 PM
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7. It's technically possible but currently NO...
The planes used for HH are large cargo conversions because of all the scientific equipment being hauled around. That IS a good idea though! Perhaps I need to do some more research on this proposal.

Doug D.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:22 PM
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6. Hunting Hugo

Hunting Hugo


In September of 1989, a NOAA hurricane hunter airplane intercepted Hurricane Hugo as it approached the Caribbean islands, just before Hugo's destructive rampage through the Caribbean and South Carolina. The crew of the airplane were the first people to encounter the mighty hurricane--and very nearly became its first victims. The mission remains the most harrowing flight ever conducted by the NOAA hurricane hunters. I served as flight meteorologist on that flight, and feel fortunate indeed to be able to tell the story.

— Dr. Jeff Masters (Chief Meteorologist, The Weather Underground, Inc.)


Pre-flight

The hot tropical sun beats down on me as I cross the tarmac at Barbados's Grantly Adams field. I look to the northeast, scanning the sky for signs of Hurricane Hugo's outer cloud bands, but see only the puffy fair weather cumulus clouds typical of a tropical summer morning. I continue to the waiting aircraft. The flight engineers and maintenance crew are already hard at work, fueling the airplane and completing their pre-flight inspections. I climb the ladder and step into one of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA's) P-3 Orion "Hurricane Hunter" aircraft--NOAA 42, affectionately called "The Princess", my partner in many memorable missions.

SNIP

A second massive jolt rocks the aircraft. Gear loosened by the previous turbulence flies about the inside the aircraft, bouncing off walls, ceiling, and crew members. Next to Terry Schricker, our 200-pound life raft breaks loose and hurtles into the ceiling. Neil Rain fends off screwdrivers, wrenches, and his airborne toolbox with his arms. The locked drawers in the galley rip open, and a cooler loaded with soft drink cans explodes into the air, showering Alan Goldstein with ice and 12-ounce cans. Hugh Willoughby watches as invisible fingers pry loose his portable computer from its mounting, and hurl it into the ceiling, ripping a gash in the tough ceiling fabric. At the radar station, Peter Dodge shields himself and the Barbados reporter from two flying briefcases. Next to them, Bob Burpee grabs two airborne boxes of computer tapes, but has no more hands to grab a third box of tapes that smashes against the ceiling, sending the tapes caroming through the cabin.

A third terrific blow, almost six times the force of gravity, staggers the airplane. Clip boards, flight bags, and headsets sail past my head as I am hurled into the console. Terrible thundering crashing sounds boom through the cabin; I hear crew members crying out. I scream inwardly. "This is what it feels like to die in battle", I think. We are going down. The final moments of the five hurricane hunter missions that never returned must have been like this.

The aircraft lurches out of control into a hard right bank. We plunge towards the ocean, our number three engine in flames. Debris hangs from the number four engine.

SNIP

WE'VE GOT FIRE COMING OUT OF NUMBER THREE!" Terry's urgent cry shatters the stunned silence on the intercom.

"And I see something hanging from number four," adds Sean, his voice sounding strangely calm.

For several eternal terrifying seconds, I watch the massive, white-frothed waves below us grow huge and close. I wait for impact, praying for survival. With two engines damaged, both on the same wing, I know that our odds are not good.

But my prayers are answered by the cool, professional reaction of the cockpit crew. Gerry snaps us up out of the right-rolling dive, a perilous 880 feet from the water. Steve Wade hits the kill switch on engine number three, and the 30-foot long flames shooting out of it die as the flow of fuel chokes off. Lowell and Frank take charge of keeping us in the eye, scanning the inside to size up where our path should take us.

http://www.wunderground.com/education/hugo1.asp

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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:34 PM
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8. I made a Youtube video for them just today!
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 08:36 PM
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9. I was a flight engineer on EC and WC121 aircraft, flying out of
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 08:38 PM by usnret88
Agana, Guam into typhoons (Pacific version of hurricane) - a much older aircraft (link to the best photo I could find on short notice) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EC-121_Warning_Star

This was in the late 60's. Squadron name was Typhoon Trackers

And it is true that pilots who do this are really good, as are the other crew members.

edited to add squadron name
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:21 PM
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10. You flew on a Connie into bad storms?
Impressive.

It's a shame there aren't too many Constellations still around. I used to drive by Camarillo Airport and there were two old Connies there from 2002 through '04 when I changed gigs.

Watched one fly around the pattern there, once.

For what it's worth, I realize the dangers of such flying in an appropriate aircraft are mitigated. I also understand that this is not a superhuman undertaking, I just think these pilots deserve recognition because they do what most can't and many won't.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:25 AM
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15. I agree with you re pilots, and did not mean to sound snippy. It is
a good thing when a person (pilot, or any person) can tell a group of people "Come with me, and I'll get you back safely" and then do it. A great responsibility I think, and anyone who does that for a good purpose deserves respect.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:27 PM
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11. An elegant aircraft that got superceded by the jets.
I always thought they were much more attractive than the DC4's, 6's and 7's they competed with.

For a while a Constellation served as AF1 as I recall.

Doug D.
Orlando, FL
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:13 AM
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14. You do have a good memory. That was during Ike's time, but a
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 12:27 AM by usnret88
little before mine.

edited to add age disclaimer
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 09:55 PM
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13. In total agreement! I'm so thankful they do what they do. n/t
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